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You've got to be kidding me right?
Jesus Christ had the first word, and believe it He will have the last word. In all matters, everywhere, all the time.
Those rejectors in the time of His tabernacling who did not repent will be judged inevitably. The matter of their accountability, though put on hold, will be brought up again at the time of the GWTJ. And who will have the last word then?
Jesus Christ had the first word, and believe it He will have the last word. In all matters, everywhere, all the time.
Those rejectors in the time of His tabernacling who did not repent will be judged inevitably. The matter of their accountability, though put on hold, will be brought up again at the time of the GWTJ. And who will have the last word then?
Hi Ruby123,
The Hebrew word "shemittah [H8059]" (and meaning "release") is used 5x in the OT:
--Deut15:1, 2[2x], 9; 31:10
--in Deut31:10, it looks like this:
הַשְּׁמִטָּ֖ה
haš-šə-miṭ-ṭāh ['of the release']
--so, in Deut15:1, it says:
"At the end H7093 of every seven H7651 years H8141 thou shalt make H6213 a release H8059 "
--BibleHub points one also to Exodus 21:1-11 and Leviticus 25:1-7
Now, please allow me (in efforts to answering your question in a somewhat round-about way, or at least getting toward that end) to place a few of my thoughts in somewhat of a bullet-point list, and (not trying to be "tricky" or anything, I'm just wanting you to let ME know if you think any of what I'm putting might align with the subject of your question--please help ME out, if you can):
[some of this will be a repeat, so my apologies, but I feel it's necessary to state in this way...]
--the "7-yr trib" [seals / trumpets / vials] falls within the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period, per Rev1:1/1:19c/4:1... in contrast to "the things WHICH ARE" (chpts 2-3) which are NOT said to be "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" as THESE are said to do;
The "SEALS" at the START of the "7-yr" period are EQUIVALENT to "the beginning of birth PANGS" (Matt24:4-8 / Mk13:5-8 / Lk21:8-11 and Paul speaks of the "KICK-OFF" i.e. INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" / the ARRIVAL of it, in both 1Th5:1-3 as well as in 2Th2:3b,6,8a,9a ("whose COMING / ARRIVAL / ADVENT / PRESENCE / parousia" of the "man of sin" IN HIS TIME--corresponding to Daniel 9:27a[,26b "prince THAT SHALL COME / IS COMING"], aka SEAL #1 at the START of the "7-yrs"... exactly the person Jesus is speaking of in Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' ['a certain one' bringing deception]");
--Rev8:1-5 is describing things in association with "the Day of Atonement [i.e. Yom Kippur]" (a Hebrew calendar date falling in our Sept/Oct)...It speaks also of the "silence in heaven about the space of half an hour"... and verse 13 speaks of Trumpets 5, 6 and 7 (the "3 Woes")... connecting "Trumpet #5 / 1st Woe unto the earth" (both here and elsewhere in Rev) with the MID-trib point, as I see the texts saying (so, MID-trib in proximity to the afore-mentioned date on a calendar);
--Matt24:36 (and parallels) "knoweth [perfect indicative] no man" (not saying they'll NEVER know) is speaking of His Second Coming to the earth , per CONTEXT (Rev19 / Matt24:29-31 / Isa27:12-13[,9 (elect of Israel)])... so NOT speaking of "our Rapture/SNATCH [IN THE AIR]" point in time... so if this is an "idiom" as many suggest (referring to "Rosh Hashanah / Feast of Trumpets"), the supposed idiom is not speaking of "our Rapture" time-slot anyway... And I tend to believe it would NOT be speaking of "Rosh Hashanah / FoTr"... but perhaps a different "New Moon"!! YES, I see THAT as more likely... (ex. Numb10:1-10 makes it sound as though "trumpets [or trumpet]" is sounded on EVERY new moon [i.e. EVERY month]... ); So "GREAT" trumpet (in the passages I listed in this section) could very well take place at the beginning of a month... ("ROSH" of a different month, instead of "Tishri')...
[the "pro" (versus "con") of this, is that there are exactly "2520 days" between" such (in certain "sets of seven years")... where as, from "RH / FoTr" to _____ [i.e. fall-to-fall], there never is... if that makes sense; And I am one who sees the various "time-stamps" and timing-indicators abundantly scattered throughout Revelation, as CONNECTING to actual [biblically-pertinent] calendar dates, rather than RANDOM dates on a calendar... without going into the specifics in this already-too-long post
One example though, which I've mentioned before: "kings [went/]go out to battle" at a very specific time/ calendar-date (think: Rev19); etc etc];
--I do believe "our Rapture" takes place pretty much LOCK-STEP WITH [that is, just preceding] the INITIAL moments of the "7-yr period" (which "7-yr" trib period's "KICK-OFF" point / STARTING point is SEAL #1 / Matt24:4-Mk13:5 / the "man of sin BE REVEALED" [which is NOT at the LATER moment when he does the 2Th2:4b "SITTETH" thing] / that is, the "KICK-OFF" point of the "7-yr period" is Dan9:27a[,26b / 2Th2:9a!] --"our Rapture" will have PRECEDED that! [lock-step... but THAT SEQUENCE, per Paul's repeating THAT VERY SEQUENCE 3x in 2Th2, agreeing with all other texts on this Subject])
Having said all this... help me out, Ruby123!! [lol]... Are you seeing that any of what I've put (re: my viewpoint ^ which is only a snippet, believe it or not ... just enough to show the basic "outline" of the time-line, here ^ )... does this ^ , in your understanding, resemble such a "time-line" [outline] that could be said to "LOOK LIKE" what either some folks are labeling as a "shemittah" or what Scripture itself calls a "shemittah" (top of this post) or perhaps your understanding of what a "shemittah" is?
I can't say I'm sure one way or another... at least, as far as what some others are calling a "shemittah".
[like I said in another post, I am confident that Dan12 is saying that "the WISE [of Israel, per context, which is DURING the future Trib yrs, when they come to faith in Christ] WILL UNDERSTAND," that this "UNDERSTAND" thing will INCLUDE the timing-issues specifically spelled out IN THAT TEXT, which [believing-]Israel (those having come to faith IN that time-period, the Trib yrs FOLLOWING "our Rapture") will be UNIQUELY-QUALIFED to "grasp [/understand]," at a time when there will be great deception!
[I believe Matt25:40,45's "the least of these My brethren" speaks of these, among other passages--and those "of the nationS" will either be called "ye BLESSED" by our Lord, or "ye CURSED," based on their having either "blessed" them themselves, or hadn't, DURING THE TRIB YRS (see the OT connection to "BLESS" or "CURSE" regarding this very matter)]
The Hebrew word "shemittah [H8059]" (and meaning "release") is used 5x in the OT:
--Deut15:1, 2[2x], 9; 31:10
--in Deut31:10, it looks like this:
הַשְּׁמִטָּ֖ה
haš-šə-miṭ-ṭāh ['of the release']
--so, in Deut15:1, it says:
"At the end H7093 of every seven H7651 years H8141 thou shalt make H6213 a release H8059 "
--BibleHub points one also to Exodus 21:1-11 and Leviticus 25:1-7
Now, please allow me (in efforts to answering your question in a somewhat round-about way, or at least getting toward that end) to place a few of my thoughts in somewhat of a bullet-point list, and (not trying to be "tricky" or anything, I'm just wanting you to let ME know if you think any of what I'm putting might align with the subject of your question--please help ME out, if you can):
[some of this will be a repeat, so my apologies, but I feel it's necessary to state in this way...]
--the "7-yr trib" [seals / trumpets / vials] falls within the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period, per Rev1:1/1:19c/4:1... in contrast to "the things WHICH ARE" (chpts 2-3) which are NOT said to be "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" as THESE are said to do;
The "SEALS" at the START of the "7-yr" period are EQUIVALENT to "the beginning of birth PANGS" (Matt24:4-8 / Mk13:5-8 / Lk21:8-11 and Paul speaks of the "KICK-OFF" i.e. INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" / the ARRIVAL of it, in both 1Th5:1-3 as well as in 2Th2:3b,6,8a,9a ("whose COMING / ARRIVAL / ADVENT / PRESENCE / parousia" of the "man of sin" IN HIS TIME--corresponding to Daniel 9:27a[,26b "prince THAT SHALL COME / IS COMING"], aka SEAL #1 at the START of the "7-yrs"... exactly the person Jesus is speaking of in Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' ['a certain one' bringing deception]");
--Rev8:1-5 is describing things in association with "the Day of Atonement [i.e. Yom Kippur]" (a Hebrew calendar date falling in our Sept/Oct)...It speaks also of the "silence in heaven about the space of half an hour"... and verse 13 speaks of Trumpets 5, 6 and 7 (the "3 Woes")... connecting "Trumpet #5 / 1st Woe unto the earth" (both here and elsewhere in Rev) with the MID-trib point, as I see the texts saying (so, MID-trib in proximity to the afore-mentioned date on a calendar);
--Matt24:36 (and parallels) "knoweth [perfect indicative] no man" (not saying they'll NEVER know) is speaking of His Second Coming to the earth , per CONTEXT (Rev19 / Matt24:29-31 / Isa27:12-13[,9 (elect of Israel)])... so NOT speaking of "our Rapture/SNATCH [IN THE AIR]" point in time... so if this is an "idiom" as many suggest (referring to "Rosh Hashanah / Feast of Trumpets"), the supposed idiom is not speaking of "our Rapture" time-slot anyway... And I tend to believe it would NOT be speaking of "Rosh Hashanah / FoTr"... but perhaps a different "New Moon"!! YES, I see THAT as more likely... (ex. Numb10:1-10 makes it sound as though "trumpets [or trumpet]" is sounded on EVERY new moon [i.e. EVERY month]... ); So "GREAT" trumpet (in the passages I listed in this section) could very well take place at the beginning of a month... ("ROSH" of a different month, instead of "Tishri')...
[the "pro" (versus "con") of this, is that there are exactly "2520 days" between" such (in certain "sets of seven years")... where as, from "RH / FoTr" to _____ [i.e. fall-to-fall], there never is... if that makes sense; And I am one who sees the various "time-stamps" and timing-indicators abundantly scattered throughout Revelation, as CONNECTING to actual [biblically-pertinent] calendar dates, rather than RANDOM dates on a calendar... without going into the specifics in this already-too-long post
One example though, which I've mentioned before: "kings [went/]go out to battle" at a very specific time/ calendar-date (think: Rev19); etc etc];--I do believe "our Rapture" takes place pretty much LOCK-STEP WITH [that is, just preceding] the INITIAL moments of the "7-yr period" (which "7-yr" trib period's "KICK-OFF" point / STARTING point is SEAL #1 / Matt24:4-Mk13:5 / the "man of sin BE REVEALED" [which is NOT at the LATER moment when he does the 2Th2:4b "SITTETH" thing] / that is, the "KICK-OFF" point of the "7-yr period" is Dan9:27a[,26b / 2Th2:9a!] --"our Rapture" will have PRECEDED that! [lock-step... but THAT SEQUENCE, per Paul's repeating THAT VERY SEQUENCE 3x in 2Th2, agreeing with all other texts on this Subject])
Having said all this... help me out, Ruby123!! [lol]... Are you seeing that any of what I've put (re: my viewpoint ^ which is only a snippet, believe it or not
... just enough to show the basic "outline" of the time-line, here ^ )... does this ^ , in your understanding, resemble such a "time-line" [outline] that could be said to "LOOK LIKE" what either some folks are labeling as a "shemittah" or what Scripture itself calls a "shemittah" (top of this post) or perhaps your understanding of what a "shemittah" is?I can't say I'm sure one way or another... at least, as far as what some others are calling a "shemittah".
[like I said in another post, I am confident that Dan12 is saying that "the WISE [of Israel, per context, which is DURING the future Trib yrs, when they come to faith in Christ] WILL UNDERSTAND," that this "UNDERSTAND" thing will INCLUDE the timing-issues specifically spelled out IN THAT TEXT, which [believing-]Israel (those having come to faith IN that time-period, the Trib yrs FOLLOWING "our Rapture") will be UNIQUELY-QUALIFED to "grasp [/understand]," at a time when there will be great deception!
[I believe Matt25:40,45's "the least of these My brethren" speaks of these, among other passages--and those "of the nationS" will either be called "ye BLESSED" by our Lord, or "ye CURSED," based on their having either "blessed" them themselves, or hadn't, DURING THE TRIB YRS (see the OT connection to "BLESS" or "CURSE" regarding this very matter)]
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Hi Ruby123,
The Hebrew word "shemittah [H8059]" (and meaning "release") is used 5x in the OT:
--Deut15:1, 2[2x], 9; 31:10
--in Deut31:10, it looks like this:
הַשְּׁמִטָּ֖ה
haš-šə-miṭ-ṭāh ['of the release']
--so, in Deut15:1, it says:
"At the end H7093 of every seven H7651 years H8141 thou shalt make H6213 a release H8059 "
--BibleHub points one also to Exodus 21:1-11 and Leviticus 25:1-7
Now, please allow me (in efforts to answering your question in a somewhat round-about way, or at least getting toward that end) to place a few of my thoughts in somewhat of a bullet-point list, and (not trying to be "tricky" or anything, I'm just wanting you to let ME know if you think any of what I'm putting might align with the subject of your question--please help ME out, if you can):
[some of this will be a repeat, so my apologies, but I feel it's necessary to state in this way...]
--the "7-yr trib" [seals / trumpets / vials] falls within the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period, per Rev1:1/1:19c/4:1... in contrast to "the things WHICH ARE" (chpts 2-3) which are NOT said to be "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" as THESE are said to do;
The "SEALS" at the START of the "7-yr" period are EQUIVALENT to "the beginning of birth PANGS" (Matt24:4-8 / Mk13:5-8 / Lk21:8-11 and Paul speaks of the "KICK-OFF" i.e. INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" / the ARRIVAL of it, in both 1Th5:1-3 as well as in 2Th2:3b,6,8a,9a ("whose COMING / ARRIVAL / ADVENT / PRESENCE / parousia" of the "man of sin" IN HIS TIME--corresponding to Daniel 9:27a[,26b "prince THAT SHALL COME / IS COMING"], aka SEAL #1 at the START of the "7-yrs"... exactly the person Jesus is speaking of in Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' ['a certain one' bringing deception]");
--Rev8:1-5 is describing things in association with "the Day of Atonement [i.e. Yom Kippur]" (a Hebrew calendar date falling in our Sept/Oct)...It speaks also of the "silence in heaven about the space of half an hour"... and verse 13 speaks of Trumpets 5, 6 and 7 (the "3 Woes")... connecting "Trumpet #5 / 1st Woe unto the earth" (both here and elsewhere in Rev) with the MID-trib point, as I see the texts saying (so, MID-trib in proximity to the afore-mentioned date on a calendar);
--Matt24:36 (and parallels) "knoweth [perfect indicative] no man" (not saying they'll NEVER know) is speaking of His Second Coming to the earth , per CONTEXT (Rev19 / Matt24:29-31 / Isa27:12-13[,9 (elect of Israel)])... so NOT speaking of "our Rapture/SNATCH [IN THE AIR]" point in time... so if this is an "idiom" as many suggest (referring to "Rosh Hashanah / Feast of Trumpets"), the supposed idiom is not speaking of "our Rapture" time-slot anyway... And I tend to believe it would NOT be speaking of "Rosh Hashanah / FoTr"... but perhaps a different "New Moon"!! YES, I see THAT as more likely... (ex. Numb10:1-10 makes it sound as though "trumpets [or trumpet]" is sounded on EVERY new moon [i.e. EVERY month]... ); So "GREAT" trumpet (in the passages I listed in this section) could very well take place at the beginning of a month... ("ROSH" of a different month, instead of "Tishri')...
[the "pro" (versus "con") of this, is that there are exactly "2520 days" between" such (in certain "sets of seven years")... where as, from "RH / FoTr" to _____ [i.e. fall-to-fall], there never is... if that makes sense; And I am one who sees the various "time-stamps" and timing-indicators abundantly scattered throughout Revelation, as CONNECTING to actual [biblically-pertinent] calendar dates, rather than RANDOM dates on a calendar... without going into the specifics in this already-too-long post One example though, which I've mentioned before: "kings [went/]go out to battle" at a very specific time/ calendar-date (think: Rev19); etc etc];
--I do believe "our Rapture" takes place pretty much LOCK-STEP WITH [that is, just preceding] the INITIAL moments of the "7-yr period" (which "7-yr" trib period's "KICK-OFF" point / STARTING point is SEAL #1 / Matt24:4-Mk13:5 / the "man of sin BE REVEALED" [which is NOT at the LATER moment when he does the 2Th2:4b "SITTETH" thing] / that is, the "KICK-OFF" point of the "7-yr period" is Dan9:27a[,26b / 2Th2:9a!] --"our Rapture" will have PRECEDED that! [lock-step... but THAT SEQUENCE, per Paul's repeating THAT VERY SEQUENCE 3x in 2Th2, agreeing with all other texts on this Subject])
Having said all this... help me out, Ruby123!! [lol]... Are you seeing that any of what I've put (re: my viewpoint ^ which is only a snippet, believe it or not ... just enough to show the basic "outline" of the time-line, here ^ )... does this ^ , in your understanding, resemble such a "time-line" [outline] that could be said to "LOOK LIKE" what either some folks are labeling as a "shemittah" or what Scripture itself calls a "shemittah" (top of this post) or perhaps your understanding of what a "shemittah" is?
I can't say I'm sure one way or another... at least, as far as what some others are calling a "shemittah".
[like I said in another post, I am confident that Dan12 is saying that "the WISE [of Israel, per context, which is DURING the future Trib yrs, when they come to faith in Christ] WILL UNDERSTAND," that this "UNDERSTAND" thing will INCLUDE the timing-issues specifically spelled out IN THAT TEXT, which [believing-]Israel (those having come to faith IN that time-period, the Trib yrs FOLLOWING "our Rapture") will be UNIQUELY-QUALIFED to "grasp [/understand]," at a time when there will be great deception!
[I believe Matt25:40,45's "the least of these My brethren" speaks of these, among other passages--and those "of the nationS" will either be called "ye BLESSED" by our Lord, or "ye CURSED," based on their having either "blessed" them themselves, or hadn't, DURING THE TRIB YRS (see the OT connection to "BLESS" or "CURSE" regarding this very matter)]
The Hebrew word "shemittah [H8059]" (and meaning "release") is used 5x in the OT:
--Deut15:1, 2[2x], 9; 31:10
--in Deut31:10, it looks like this:
הַשְּׁמִטָּ֖ה
haš-šə-miṭ-ṭāh ['of the release']
--so, in Deut15:1, it says:
"At the end H7093 of every seven H7651 years H8141 thou shalt make H6213 a release H8059 "
--BibleHub points one also to Exodus 21:1-11 and Leviticus 25:1-7
Now, please allow me (in efforts to answering your question in a somewhat round-about way, or at least getting toward that end) to place a few of my thoughts in somewhat of a bullet-point list, and (not trying to be "tricky" or anything, I'm just wanting you to let ME know if you think any of what I'm putting might align with the subject of your question--please help ME out, if you can):
[some of this will be a repeat, so my apologies, but I feel it's necessary to state in this way...]
--the "7-yr trib" [seals / trumpets / vials] falls within the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period, per Rev1:1/1:19c/4:1... in contrast to "the things WHICH ARE" (chpts 2-3) which are NOT said to be "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" as THESE are said to do;
The "SEALS" at the START of the "7-yr" period are EQUIVALENT to "the beginning of birth PANGS" (Matt24:4-8 / Mk13:5-8 / Lk21:8-11 and Paul speaks of the "KICK-OFF" i.e. INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" / the ARRIVAL of it, in both 1Th5:1-3 as well as in 2Th2:3b,6,8a,9a ("whose COMING / ARRIVAL / ADVENT / PRESENCE / parousia" of the "man of sin" IN HIS TIME--corresponding to Daniel 9:27a[,26b "prince THAT SHALL COME / IS COMING"], aka SEAL #1 at the START of the "7-yrs"... exactly the person Jesus is speaking of in Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' ['a certain one' bringing deception]");
--Rev8:1-5 is describing things in association with "the Day of Atonement [i.e. Yom Kippur]" (a Hebrew calendar date falling in our Sept/Oct)...It speaks also of the "silence in heaven about the space of half an hour"... and verse 13 speaks of Trumpets 5, 6 and 7 (the "3 Woes")... connecting "Trumpet #5 / 1st Woe unto the earth" (both here and elsewhere in Rev) with the MID-trib point, as I see the texts saying (so, MID-trib in proximity to the afore-mentioned date on a calendar);
--Matt24:36 (and parallels) "knoweth [perfect indicative] no man" (not saying they'll NEVER know) is speaking of His Second Coming to the earth , per CONTEXT (Rev19 / Matt24:29-31 / Isa27:12-13[,9 (elect of Israel)])... so NOT speaking of "our Rapture/SNATCH [IN THE AIR]" point in time... so if this is an "idiom" as many suggest (referring to "Rosh Hashanah / Feast of Trumpets"), the supposed idiom is not speaking of "our Rapture" time-slot anyway... And I tend to believe it would NOT be speaking of "Rosh Hashanah / FoTr"... but perhaps a different "New Moon"!! YES, I see THAT as more likely... (ex. Numb10:1-10 makes it sound as though "trumpets [or trumpet]" is sounded on EVERY new moon [i.e. EVERY month]... ); So "GREAT" trumpet (in the passages I listed in this section) could very well take place at the beginning of a month... ("ROSH" of a different month, instead of "Tishri')...
[the "pro" (versus "con") of this, is that there are exactly "2520 days" between" such (in certain "sets of seven years")... where as, from "RH / FoTr" to _____ [i.e. fall-to-fall], there never is... if that makes sense; And I am one who sees the various "time-stamps" and timing-indicators abundantly scattered throughout Revelation, as CONNECTING to actual [biblically-pertinent] calendar dates, rather than RANDOM dates on a calendar... without going into the specifics in this already-too-long post
One example though, which I've mentioned before: "kings [went/]go out to battle" at a very specific time/ calendar-date (think: Rev19); etc etc];--I do believe "our Rapture" takes place pretty much LOCK-STEP WITH [that is, just preceding] the INITIAL moments of the "7-yr period" (which "7-yr" trib period's "KICK-OFF" point / STARTING point is SEAL #1 / Matt24:4-Mk13:5 / the "man of sin BE REVEALED" [which is NOT at the LATER moment when he does the 2Th2:4b "SITTETH" thing] / that is, the "KICK-OFF" point of the "7-yr period" is Dan9:27a[,26b / 2Th2:9a!] --"our Rapture" will have PRECEDED that! [lock-step... but THAT SEQUENCE, per Paul's repeating THAT VERY SEQUENCE 3x in 2Th2, agreeing with all other texts on this Subject])
Having said all this... help me out, Ruby123!! [lol]... Are you seeing that any of what I've put (re: my viewpoint ^ which is only a snippet, believe it or not
... just enough to show the basic "outline" of the time-line, here ^ )... does this ^ , in your understanding, resemble such a "time-line" [outline] that could be said to "LOOK LIKE" what either some folks are labeling as a "shemittah" or what Scripture itself calls a "shemittah" (top of this post) or perhaps your understanding of what a "shemittah" is?I can't say I'm sure one way or another... at least, as far as what some others are calling a "shemittah".
[like I said in another post, I am confident that Dan12 is saying that "the WISE [of Israel, per context, which is DURING the future Trib yrs, when they come to faith in Christ] WILL UNDERSTAND," that this "UNDERSTAND" thing will INCLUDE the timing-issues specifically spelled out IN THAT TEXT, which [believing-]Israel (those having come to faith IN that time-period, the Trib yrs FOLLOWING "our Rapture") will be UNIQUELY-QUALIFED to "grasp [/understand]," at a time when there will be great deception!
[I believe Matt25:40,45's "the least of these My brethren" speaks of these, among other passages--and those "of the nationS" will either be called "ye BLESSED" by our Lord, or "ye CURSED," based on their having either "blessed" them themselves, or hadn't, DURING THE TRIB YRS (see the OT connection to "BLESS" or "CURSE" regarding this very matter)]
https://christianchat.com/threads/matthew-24-34-fig-tree-generation.209931/post-5032570
"The thing is......Israel IS now an independent nation. And there is every reason to believe that the "captivity of the nation" of 606BC has ended since 1948."
http://watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/HIStoryOurFuture/Ezekiels430Days.html
according to Biblegateway Revelation 7:14 in all English translations
KJ21
And I said unto him, “Sir, thou knowest.” And he said to me, “These are they that came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
ASV
And I say unto him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they that come out of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
AMP
I said to him, “My lord, you know [the answer].” And he said to me, “These are the people who come out of the great tribulation (persecution), and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb [because of His atoning sacrifice].
AMPC
I replied, Sir, you know. And he said to me, These are they who have come out of the great tribulation (persecution), and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
BRG
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
CSB
I said to him, “Sir, you know.” Then he told me: These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
CEB
I said to him, “Sir, you know.” Then he said to me, “These people have come out of great hardship. They have washed their robes and made them white in the Lamb’s blood.
CJB
“Sir,” I answered, “you know.” Then he told me, “These are the people who have come out of the Great Persecution. They have washed their robes and made them white with the blood of the Lamb.
CEV
“Sir,” I answered, “you must know.” Then he told me: “These are the ones who have gone through the great suffering. They have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb and have made them white.
DARBY
And I said to him, My lord, *thou* knowest. And he said to me, These are they who come out of the great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and have made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
DLNT
And I have said to him, “My lord, you know”. And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great affliction. And they washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
DRA
And I said to him: My Lord, thou knowest. And he said to me: These are they who are come out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and have made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
ERV
I answered, “You know who they are, sir.” And the elder said, “These are the ones who have come out of the great suffering. They have washed their robes with the blood of the Lamb, and they are clean and white.
EHV
And he said to me: These are the ones who are coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
ESV
I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
ESVUK
I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
EXB
I answered, “You know, ·sir [or my lord].” And the elder said to me, “These are the people who have come out of the great ·distress [persecution; tribulation]. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb [C having believed in Jesus, their sins are forgiven through Christ’s death and resurrection].
GNV
And I said unto him, Lord, thou knowest. And he said unto me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their long robes, and have made their long robes white in the blood of the Lamb.
GW
I answered him, “Sir, you know.” Then he told me, “These are the people who are coming out of the terrible suffering. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb.
GNT
“I don't know, sir. You do,” I answered. He said to me, “These are the people who have come safely through the terrible persecution. They have washed their robes and made them white with the blood of the Lamb.
HCSB
I said to him, “Sir, you know.” Then he told me: These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
ICB
I answered, “You know who they are, sir.” And the elder said, “These are the people who have come out of the great suffering. They have washed their robes with the blood of the Lamb. Now they are clean and white.
ISV
I told him, “Sir, you know.” Then he told me, “These are the people who are coming out of the terrible suffering. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb.
PHILLIPS
“You know, my Lord,” I answered him. Then he told me, “These are those who have come through the great oppression: they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. That is why they now have their place before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple. He who sits upon the throne will be their shelter. They will never again know hunger or thirst. The sun shall never beat upon them, neither shall there be any scorching heat, for the Lamb who is in the centre of the throne will be their shepherd and will lead them to springs of living water. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”
JUB
And I said unto him, lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are those who came out of great tribulation and have washed their long robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
KJV
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
AKJV
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
LSB
And I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
KJ21
And I said unto him, “Sir, thou knowest.” And he said to me, “These are they that came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
ASV
And I say unto him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they that come out of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
AMP
I said to him, “My lord, you know [the answer].” And he said to me, “These are the people who come out of the great tribulation (persecution), and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb [because of His atoning sacrifice].
AMPC
I replied, Sir, you know. And he said to me, These are they who have come out of the great tribulation (persecution), and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
BRG
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
CSB
I said to him, “Sir, you know.” Then he told me: These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
CEB
I said to him, “Sir, you know.” Then he said to me, “These people have come out of great hardship. They have washed their robes and made them white in the Lamb’s blood.
CJB
“Sir,” I answered, “you know.” Then he told me, “These are the people who have come out of the Great Persecution. They have washed their robes and made them white with the blood of the Lamb.
CEV
“Sir,” I answered, “you must know.” Then he told me: “These are the ones who have gone through the great suffering. They have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb and have made them white.
DARBY
And I said to him, My lord, *thou* knowest. And he said to me, These are they who come out of the great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and have made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
DLNT
And I have said to him, “My lord, you know”. And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great affliction. And they washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
DRA
And I said to him: My Lord, thou knowest. And he said to me: These are they who are come out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and have made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
ERV
I answered, “You know who they are, sir.” And the elder said, “These are the ones who have come out of the great suffering. They have washed their robes with the blood of the Lamb, and they are clean and white.
EHV
And he said to me: These are the ones who are coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
ESV
I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
ESVUK
I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
EXB
I answered, “You know, ·sir [or my lord].” And the elder said to me, “These are the people who have come out of the great ·distress [persecution; tribulation]. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb [C having believed in Jesus, their sins are forgiven through Christ’s death and resurrection].
GNV
And I said unto him, Lord, thou knowest. And he said unto me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their long robes, and have made their long robes white in the blood of the Lamb.
GW
I answered him, “Sir, you know.” Then he told me, “These are the people who are coming out of the terrible suffering. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb.
GNT
“I don't know, sir. You do,” I answered. He said to me, “These are the people who have come safely through the terrible persecution. They have washed their robes and made them white with the blood of the Lamb.
HCSB
I said to him, “Sir, you know.” Then he told me: These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
ICB
I answered, “You know who they are, sir.” And the elder said, “These are the people who have come out of the great suffering. They have washed their robes with the blood of the Lamb. Now they are clean and white.
ISV
I told him, “Sir, you know.” Then he told me, “These are the people who are coming out of the terrible suffering. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb.
PHILLIPS
“You know, my Lord,” I answered him. Then he told me, “These are those who have come through the great oppression: they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. That is why they now have their place before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple. He who sits upon the throne will be their shelter. They will never again know hunger or thirst. The sun shall never beat upon them, neither shall there be any scorching heat, for the Lamb who is in the centre of the throne will be their shepherd and will lead them to springs of living water. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”
JUB
And I said unto him, lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are those who came out of great tribulation and have washed their long robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
KJV
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
AKJV
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
LSB
And I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
LEB
And I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation, and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
TLB
“No, sir,” I replied. “Please tell me.” “These are the ones coming out of the Great Tribulation,” he said; “they washed their robes and whitened them by the blood of the Lamb.
MSG
Just then one of the Elders addressed me: “Who are these dressed in white robes, and where did they come from?” Taken aback, I said, “O Sir, I have no idea—but you must know.” Then he told me, “These are those who come from the great tribulation, and they’ve washed their robes, scrubbed them clean in the blood of the Lamb. That’s why they’re standing before God’s Throne. They serve him day and night in his Temple. The One on the Throne will pitch his tent there for them: no more hunger, no more thirst, no more scorching heat. The Lamb on the Throne will shepherd them, will lead them to spring waters of Life. And God will wipe every last tear from their eyes.”
MEV
I said to him, “Sir, you know.” He said to me, “These are those who came out of great tribulation and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
MOUNCE
· I said to him, “My lord, you are the one who knows.” Then he said to me, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; · · they have washed · their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NOG
I answered him, “Sir, you know.” Then he told me, “These are the people who are coming out of the terrible suffering. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb.
NABRE
I said to him, “My lord, you are the one who knows.” He said to me, “These are the ones who have survived the time of great distress; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NASB
I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NASB1995
I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NCB
I replied, “My lord, you are the one who knows.” Then he said to me, “These are the ones who have survived the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NCV
I answered, “You know, sir.” And the elder said to me, “These are the people who have come out of the great distress. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NET
So I said to him, “My lord, you know the answer.” Then he said to me, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb!
NIRV
I answered, “Sir, you know.” He said, “They are the ones who have come out of the time of terrible suffering. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NIV
I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NIVUK
I answered, ‘Sir, you know.’ And he said, ‘These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NKJV
And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NLV
I answered him, “Sir, you know.” Then he said to me, “These are the ones who came out of the time of much trouble. They have washed their clothes and have made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NLT
And I said to him, “Sir, you are the one who knows.” Then he said to me, “These are the ones who died in the great tribulation. They have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb and made them white.
NMB
And I said to him, Lord, you know. And he said to me, They are those who came out of great tribulation, and made their garments large, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NRSVA
I said to him, ‘Sir, you are the one that knows.’ Then he said to me, ‘These are they who have come out of the great ordeal; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NRSVACE
I said to him, ‘Sir, you are the one that knows.’ Then he said to me, ‘These are they who have come out of the great ordeal; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
And I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation, and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
TLB
“No, sir,” I replied. “Please tell me.” “These are the ones coming out of the Great Tribulation,” he said; “they washed their robes and whitened them by the blood of the Lamb.
MSG
Just then one of the Elders addressed me: “Who are these dressed in white robes, and where did they come from?” Taken aback, I said, “O Sir, I have no idea—but you must know.” Then he told me, “These are those who come from the great tribulation, and they’ve washed their robes, scrubbed them clean in the blood of the Lamb. That’s why they’re standing before God’s Throne. They serve him day and night in his Temple. The One on the Throne will pitch his tent there for them: no more hunger, no more thirst, no more scorching heat. The Lamb on the Throne will shepherd them, will lead them to spring waters of Life. And God will wipe every last tear from their eyes.”
MEV
I said to him, “Sir, you know.” He said to me, “These are those who came out of great tribulation and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
MOUNCE
· I said to him, “My lord, you are the one who knows.” Then he said to me, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; · · they have washed · their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NOG
I answered him, “Sir, you know.” Then he told me, “These are the people who are coming out of the terrible suffering. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb.
NABRE
I said to him, “My lord, you are the one who knows.” He said to me, “These are the ones who have survived the time of great distress; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NASB
I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NASB1995
I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NCB
I replied, “My lord, you are the one who knows.” Then he said to me, “These are the ones who have survived the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NCV
I answered, “You know, sir.” And the elder said to me, “These are the people who have come out of the great distress. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NET
So I said to him, “My lord, you know the answer.” Then he said to me, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb!
NIRV
I answered, “Sir, you know.” He said, “They are the ones who have come out of the time of terrible suffering. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NIV
I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NIVUK
I answered, ‘Sir, you know.’ And he said, ‘These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NKJV
And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NLV
I answered him, “Sir, you know.” Then he said to me, “These are the ones who came out of the time of much trouble. They have washed their clothes and have made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NLT
And I said to him, “Sir, you are the one who knows.” Then he said to me, “These are the ones who died in the great tribulation. They have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb and made them white.
NMB
And I said to him, Lord, you know. And he said to me, They are those who came out of great tribulation, and made their garments large, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NRSVA
I said to him, ‘Sir, you are the one that knows.’ Then he said to me, ‘These are they who have come out of the great ordeal; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NRSVACE
I said to him, ‘Sir, you are the one that knows.’ Then he said to me, ‘These are they who have come out of the great ordeal; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NRSVCE
I said to him, “Sir, you are the one that knows.” Then he said to me, “These are they who have come out of the great ordeal; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NRSVUE
I said to him, “Sir, you are the one who knows.” Then he said to me, “These are they who have come out of the great ordeal; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NTE
‘Sir,’ I replied, ‘you know!’ ‘These are the ones’, he said, ‘who have come out of the great suffering. They have washed their clothes and made them white in the blood of the lamb.
OJB
And I said to him, Adoni, you have da’as. And he said to me, These are the ones coming out of HaTzarah HaGedolah (The Great Tribulation, Mt. 24:29) and each washed his kittel and whitened it in the dahm of the SEH (Lamb, SHEMOT 12:3; YESHAYAH 53:7 Moshiach).
RGT
And I said to him, “Lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are those who came out of great tribulation and have washed their long robes and have made their long robes white in the blood of the Lamb.
RSV
I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
RSVCE
I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
TLV
Then he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
VOICE
John: Sir, surely you know the answer to your own questions. One of the Elders: These are coming from the time of great suffering and affliction. They have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb, cleansing them pure white.
WEB
I told him, “My lord, you know.” He said to me, “These are those who came out of the great suffering.They washed their robes, and made them white in the Lamb’s blood.
WE
Then I said to him, `Sir, I do not know.' And he said to me, `These are the people who have had much trouble. They have washed their clothes in the blood of the Lamb and made them white.
WYC
And I said to him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These be they, that came from great tribulation, and washed their stoles, and made them white in the blood of the lamb.
YLT
and I have said to him, `Sir, thou hast known;' and he said to me, `These are those who are coming out of the great tribulation, and they did wash their robes, and they made their robes white in the blood of the Lamb;
I said to him, “Sir, you are the one that knows.” Then he said to me, “These are they who have come out of the great ordeal; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NRSVUE
I said to him, “Sir, you are the one who knows.” Then he said to me, “These are they who have come out of the great ordeal; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
NTE
‘Sir,’ I replied, ‘you know!’ ‘These are the ones’, he said, ‘who have come out of the great suffering. They have washed their clothes and made them white in the blood of the lamb.
OJB
And I said to him, Adoni, you have da’as. And he said to me, These are the ones coming out of HaTzarah HaGedolah (The Great Tribulation, Mt. 24:29) and each washed his kittel and whitened it in the dahm of the SEH (Lamb, SHEMOT 12:3; YESHAYAH 53:7 Moshiach).
RGT
And I said to him, “Lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are those who came out of great tribulation and have washed their long robes and have made their long robes white in the blood of the Lamb.
RSV
I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
RSVCE
I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
TLV
Then he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
VOICE
John: Sir, surely you know the answer to your own questions. One of the Elders: These are coming from the time of great suffering and affliction. They have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb, cleansing them pure white.
WEB
I told him, “My lord, you know.” He said to me, “These are those who came out of the great suffering.They washed their robes, and made them white in the Lamb’s blood.
WE
Then I said to him, `Sir, I do not know.' And he said to me, `These are the people who have had much trouble. They have washed their clothes in the blood of the Lamb and made them white.
WYC
And I said to him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These be they, that came from great tribulation, and washed their stoles, and made them white in the blood of the lamb.
YLT
and I have said to him, `Sir, thou hast known;' and he said to me, `These are those who are coming out of the great tribulation, and they did wash their robes, and they made their robes white in the blood of the Lamb;
Most here have a dispensational view of The Revelation of Christ. That is the view i grew up with. Which can mean a pre mid or post tribulation timing of rapture.
I hold to the view Jesus will return .. but The Revelation of Christ was written to the people of that day . Long story short it shows what God did to the temple way of life unto those who had Jesus crucified . I believe the Olivet Discourse was a prophesy of what was to come at the end of that generation. To my understanding When Jesus said "this generation" He was speaking to that generation. The blood sacrifices stopped about 70 AD. Most here do not agree wiht my thoughts i do not believe it is what we call a "salvation issue."
There is much more but i am not good at putting my head and spirit into words. To me there are many different issues , sides, dogmas, we Christians can discuss fuss over differ and still be followers of Christ.
I hold to the view Jesus will return .. but The Revelation of Christ was written to the people of that day . Long story short it shows what God did to the temple way of life unto those who had Jesus crucified . I believe the Olivet Discourse was a prophesy of what was to come at the end of that generation. To my understanding When Jesus said "this generation" He was speaking to that generation. The blood sacrifices stopped about 70 AD. Most here do not agree wiht my thoughts i do not believe it is what we call a "salvation issue."
There is much more but i am not good at putting my head and spirit into words. To me there are many different issues , sides, dogmas, we Christians can discuss fuss over differ and still be followers of Christ.
Most here have a dispensational view of The Revelation of Christ. That is the view i grew up with. Which can mean a pre mid or post tribulation timing of rapture.
I hold to the view Jesus will return .. but The Revelation of Christ was written to the people of that day . Long story short it shows what God did to the temple way of life unto those who had Jesus crucified . I believe the Olivet Discourse was a prophesy of what was to come at the end of that generation. To my understanding When Jesus said "this generation" He was speaking to that generation. The blood sacrifices stopped about 70 AD. Most here do not agree wiht my thoughts i do not believe it is what we call a "salvation issue."
There is much more but i am not good at putting my head and spirit into words. To me there are many different issues , sides, dogmas, we Christians can discuss fuss over differ and still be followers of Christ.
I hold to the view Jesus will return .. but The Revelation of Christ was written to the people of that day . Long story short it shows what God did to the temple way of life unto those who had Jesus crucified . I believe the Olivet Discourse was a prophesy of what was to come at the end of that generation. To my understanding When Jesus said "this generation" He was speaking to that generation. The blood sacrifices stopped about 70 AD. Most here do not agree wiht my thoughts i do not believe it is what we call a "salvation issue."
There is much more but i am not good at putting my head and spirit into words. To me there are many different issues , sides, dogmas, we Christians can discuss fuss over differ and still be followers of Christ.
I am wondering if you understand the book of Revelation to be the Revelation of Jesus Christ and not so much the revelation of what will unfold.
All of this is kinda new to me, I do not understand much but pre, mid, or post tribulation controversy.
No, you've got that all wrong. In fact foretelling future events is the primary purpose of the book.
And not only that, for those elect who are going thru the 70th week of Daniel tribulation period, the book of Revelation will serve as THE GUIDEBOOK, eschatological map and timetable and serve as the shining lamp of truth as to what will be coming to pass.
Rev 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:19
Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
The "hereafter" in the millennial reign will of course include all of this. Literally. Down to the finest detail.
The historicists and a-mills try their best to artfully dodge these 9 chapters, yes.
But their attempts always end up looking like a 3 stooges slapstick comedy routine, try as they might to uphold their untenable eschatological theory.
Ezekiel 40 (KJV) - In the five and twentieth (blueletterbible.org)
Ezekiel 41 (KJV) - Afterward he brought me to (blueletterbible.org)
Ezekiel 42 (KJV) - Then he brought me forth (blueletterbible.org)
Ezekiel 43 (KJV) - Afterward he brought me to (blueletterbible.org)
Ezekiel 44 (KJV) - Then he brought me back (blueletterbible.org)
Ezekiel 45 (KJV) - Moreover, when ye shall divide (blueletterbible.org)
Ezekiel 46 (KJV) - Thus saith the Lord GOD; (blueletterbible.org)
Ezekiel 47 (KJV) - Afterward he brought me again (blueletterbible.org)
Ezekiel 48 (KJV) - Now these [are] the names (blueletterbible.org)
And not only that, for those elect who are going thru the 70th week of Daniel tribulation period, the book of Revelation will serve as THE GUIDEBOOK, eschatological map and timetable and serve as the shining lamp of truth as to what will be coming to pass.
Rev 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:19
Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
The "hereafter" in the millennial reign will of course include all of this. Literally. Down to the finest detail.
The historicists and a-mills try their best to artfully dodge these 9 chapters, yes.
But their attempts always end up looking like a 3 stooges slapstick comedy routine, try as they might to uphold their untenable eschatological theory.
Ezekiel 40 (KJV) - In the five and twentieth (blueletterbible.org)
Ezekiel 41 (KJV) - Afterward he brought me to (blueletterbible.org)
Ezekiel 42 (KJV) - Then he brought me forth (blueletterbible.org)
Ezekiel 43 (KJV) - Afterward he brought me to (blueletterbible.org)
Ezekiel 44 (KJV) - Then he brought me back (blueletterbible.org)
Ezekiel 45 (KJV) - Moreover, when ye shall divide (blueletterbible.org)
Ezekiel 46 (KJV) - Thus saith the Lord GOD; (blueletterbible.org)
Ezekiel 47 (KJV) - Afterward he brought me again (blueletterbible.org)
Ezekiel 48 (KJV) - Now these [are] the names (blueletterbible.org)
I would understand that the "of" seems to be replaceable with the word "from" based on how the verse literally reads.
" The revelation of Jesus Christ, which GOD gave unto Him, to show unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass: and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John."
I am trying to enunciate what I understand to be the message there.
" The revelation of Jesus Christ, which GOD gave unto Him, to show unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass: and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John."
I am trying to enunciate what I understand to be the message there.
Yes, quite a few do. Erroneously of course. When you start out with the post-trib theory, you invariably end up in the weeds as regard interpreting these kinds of passages.
You may not like the sound of this, but the old adage "even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while" does not seem to
apply to post-tribbers insofar as eschatological truths are concerned........
You may not like the sound of this, but the old adage "even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while" does not seem to
apply to post-tribbers insofar as eschatological truths are concerned........
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