Salvation is for the Whole World
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What? I included a verse that explains that spiritual hearing is given. Did you not understand it - Luk 8:10? NO ONE CAN HEAR unless given spiritual ears.
[Mat 11:15 KJV] 15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
[Mat 13:9, 43 KJV] 9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. ...
[Mat 13:43 KJV] 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
[Mat 11:15 KJV] 15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
[Mat 13:9, 43 KJV] 9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. ...
[Mat 13:43 KJV] 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
You are saying if anyone does anything to accept the gift of God it nullifies God's grace.
How do you get from anything I have said that Jesus is not our Saviour?
Don't bother answering. It is a rhetorical question..
How do you get from anything I have said that Jesus is not our Saviour?
Don't bother answering. It is a rhetorical question..
Because you say that something must be done to get it. Look, what you're saying is this: that if you do what you say is required, then by it you become saved and if you don't do it, then you won't be saved. Therefore, should you do it, you've saved yourself. Likewise, if you
don't do it, then you have condemned yourself. Any reasonable analysis of that leads to the unmistakable conclusion that
your salvation is up to you, and therefore you are your own saviour, not Christ.
If you do not believe, you are not saved. Is this not a given?
God's gift is freely offered to all.
What I am saying is, if one does nothing, they have not accepted this gift, and by default, have rejected it.
In other words, if God's gift is not accepted, it has not been received.
Is that really difficult to understand?
Accepting God's gift does not nullify His grace, either!
God does not force people to believe, either.
God's gift is freely offered to all.
What I am saying is, if one does nothing, they have not accepted this gift, and by default, have rejected it.
In other words, if God's gift is not accepted, it has not been received.
Is that really difficult to understand?
Accepting God's gift does not nullify His grace, either!
God does not force people to believe, either.
Anyone who hears the Word, hearing comes FIRST.
14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:
“How beautiful are the feet of those who [b]preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
First you hear then you believe.
Yes, it is not a given. As (I believe) brightfame52 once said - no faith to get saved, faith to be saved.
And if you're asking that question, then you obviously didn't grasp what I've been saying.
Not difficult to understand at all. Understanding isn't the problem. The problem is that it is plain wrong.
And if you're asking that question, then you obviously didn't grasp what I've been saying.
Not difficult to understand at all. Understanding isn't the problem. The problem is that it is plain wrong.
Faith is a work. It is God's work that anyone believes in Christ. Please, read this verses carefully. Could they be clearer?
It tells us that faith is a work, and that it is God's work alone that someone believes in Christ. Through Christ, we
are given true faith.
[Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
[Phl 3:9 KJV] 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
[Gal 2:16 KJV] 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
It tells us that faith is a work, and that it is God's work alone that someone believes in Christ. Through Christ, we
are given true faith.
[Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
[Phl 3:9 KJV] 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
[Gal 2:16 KJV] 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Thanks for clarifying that you do not agree with Scripture, that we are saved by grace through faith.
Acts 10:43~ All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.
Acts 10:43~ All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.
is a gift of that.