What Does It Mean That God Desires All People To Be Saved?

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Most of God's well intended children, as yourself, deny the scriptures,
You're the one denyng the scriptures, Forest.

by holding onto the old law of works to get them to heaven.
What I am relying on is my faith in Jesus Christ.

Paul left Timothy in Ephesus to charge some in the church that they teach no other doctrine.

The "we" in 1 Tim 2:2, has reference to the church at Ephesus. Timothy even includes himself in telling them to pray for all men in authority over them that the church may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

The "all men" in verse 4, has reference to those men, in the church at Ephesus, who are teaching another doctrine (probably the old law of works), so that they might be saved (delivered) from their ignorance of the gospel. There is a deliverance (salvation here in time) when a born again child of God comes unto a knowledge of the truth.

The letters you have put in red, has reference to those in the church at Ephesus who are teaching another doctrine.
Stop trying to spin it. The Bible is clear, in 1 Tim 2:4; 2 Pet 3:9; Acts 17:30; Eze 33:11; and more that God wants everyone to repent and become saved.
 

Magenta

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Because God knew that all of mankind would fall, is the reason he choose most of them not to fall.
We are born into a fallen world, as enemies of God and hostile in our minds towards Him.


Colossians 1:21-22
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ForestGreenCook

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You're the one denyng the scriptures, Forest.


What I am relying on is my faith in Jesus Christ.


Stop trying to spin it. The Bible is clear, in 1 Tim 2:4; 2 Pet 3:9; Acts 17:30; Eze 33:11; and more that God wants everyone to repent and become saved.
2 Pet 3:9 - 2 Pet 1:1 tells us who Peter is talking to, and it is them that have obtained like precious faith.

Peter includes himself in his instructions, telling them when they commit a sin that separates them from their fellowship with God, temporary, that they should repent Perish=death=separation.


Acts 17:30 - Paul, speaking to the men of Athens, telling them that the unknown God they worship, is the only God.

Paul continues to tell them, forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we (Paul including himself) ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone graven by art and man's device and the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth "all men that are the offspring of God" everywhere to repent.



The word of the Lord came unto the prophet Ezekiel, saying, speak to the children of my people, and say unto them, God has no pleasure in the wicked of the house of Israel (spiritual Israel).

Why do you pick one scripture out, and not consider the content of the chapter?
 

ForestGreenCook

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Jesus Christ did not preach what you preach. He did not teach Calvinism.

I have told you before that I have never read any of Calvin's writings, nor any other man's interpretation of the scriptures. Scripture proves scripture, if they harmonize.
 

ForestGreenCook

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We are born into a fallen world, as enemies of God and hostile in our minds towards Him.


Colossians 1:21-22
:)

Very true. All of God's elect are born into this world as dead alien sinners, until God gives them a new spiritual birth.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Mat 7:14 the MAJORITY doesn't make it.

All scriptures nust harmonize in order to know the truth. The people that go into both gates are the children of the house of spiritual Israel. The ones that find the straight gate ia the remnant of the house of Israel.
 

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Because God knew that all of mankind would fall, is the reason he choose most of them not to fall.
Not the way it works.
After The Fall, God gave His only begotten so that all could chose to believe in His Son unto eternal life. That is the simple Gospel, and the False teaching of another false Gospel (yours) should not be tolerated here on CC.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Not the way it works.
After The Fall, God gave His only begotten so that all could chose to believe in His Son unto eternal life. That is the simple Gospel, and the False teaching of another false Gospel (yours) should not be tolerated here on CC.

What do you suggest? That they crucify me? I have heard of someone else that was crucified for the same reason.
 

Nehemiah6

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After The Fall, God gave His only begotten so that all could chose to believe in His Son unto eternal life. That is the simple Gospel, and the False teaching of another false Gospel (yours) should not be tolerated here on CC.
Even though Christ said that He came TO SAVE THE WORLD these Calvinists will not quit with their false Gospel. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (John 3:17)
 

oyster67

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What do you suggest? That they crucify me? I have heard of someone else that was crucified for the same reason.
It is God that you ought to fear. By comparing yourself to Christ you only lengthen your list of blasphemies.
2 Peter 2:17
“These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.”
 

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Let's suppose I am going on a trip. I make all the arrangements, set a date, and wait. But I also would like it to be a family excursion. I desire their company.

Is it considered a desire if I only have a strong feeling of wanting? Do I need to do anything to make my desire a desire? If I volunteer to incur all the expenses for my family does this make it a desire when before it wasn't? What if I only volunteered to pay for some family members? Does this affect whether it is a desire or lessen the desire to have the company of my family?

I ask these questions so they will be top of mind when asking the same questions about God's desire that all people are saved? Can God's desire for the salvation of people be independent of people? Does God have to do anything for people in order for His desire to be genuine? If so, does He have to act equally towards all people for His desire to be real?

I'm not attempting to offer this as proof of one set of ideas over another. It is simply to understand the nature of what is entailed in a desire and what is not. Consequently, and perhaps impossibly, I am asking for unbiased thought. I am asking that as you consider the question, you set aside, as much as is possible, how you would answer based on your other held beliefs, and consider the question independently from other doctrine.

Thanks. And I look forward to your responses.
If you look at the conclusion of the ot after the law of Moses is given and the prophets start to speak
The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you think about your question from that perspective it’s quite evident why Jesus had to suffer and die and how salvstion has to be accepted based upon that truth of atonement

then we see how amazing and how full of grace this statement is knowing we’re all condemned already to death because of sin

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

no longer condemned by the law that says you sinned and must die because now we have this promise which is how all men can be saved and is Gods Will for us

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬




and baptism means this to fulfill the requirement of death for sin remember “ the soul that sins must die ?”

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: ( penalty for sin is paid ) that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”( new beginning )
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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I agree. But I'm only asking about His desire that all be saved. Is this a real desire? And if so, is God required to act upon it for it to be genuine?
It is either genuine or not genuine.. Since the scriptures declare that God is open to everyone being saved then if we have faith in God we must trust Him on His Word..

What ever steps God now takes to allow people to be saved then we who trust Him believe He will be just in what ever He decides to do in regard to providing that avenue for all people to be saved...
 

Cameron143

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It is either genuine or not genuine.. Since the scriptures declare that God is open to everyone being saved then if we have faith in God we must trust Him on His Word..

What ever steps God now takes to allow people to be saved then we who trust Him believe He will be just in what ever He decides to do in regard to providing that avenue for all people to be saved...
Thanks for sharing. I don't disagree. The question, however, is must He act upon His desire?
 

ForestGreenCook

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1 Timothy 2:4 suggests otherwise.

The "all men" has reference to those of the Ephesus church that are preaching another doctrine, probably eternal salvation gained by their good works. There is a deliverance, here in time, when a child of God comes unto a knowledge of the truth.
 
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Thanks for sharing. I don't disagree. The question, however, is must He act upon His desire?
He already did. He sent Jesus Christ, and through him salvation is available to anyone.