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Moses_Young

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Lynx said:
Yet you sound so pleasant and logical and... sane in some other threads. o_O

The whole "our own government will use bioweapons against us" plot has been used in many science fiction stories and video games. Deus Ex is probably the most popular, with their nanite-based "Gray Death" and the "Ambrosia" vaccine that only important people like state governors get, which turns out to be a nanite end-cap that neutralizes the nanites. It is reasonable to expect some people to believe it is really happening when a real life pandemic rolls through.

But the lengths you folks have gone to... Geez louise!
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If viruses were real, you'd be able to isolate at least one of them - testable and repeatable. Simple science we all learn in grade school. And yet no virus has ever been isolated. (Note that I use the word isolation in it's true, scientific sense, not a contradictory meaning of the term useful for propagating virus mythology).
 
Lynx

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Moses_Young said:
If viruses were real, you'd be able to isolate at least one of them - testable and repeatable. Simple science we all learn in grade school. And yet no virus has ever been isolated. (Note that I use the word isolation in it's true, scientific sense, not a contradictory meaning of the term useful for propagating virus mythology).
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Wait... Now you're claiming ALL viruses are myth?

What causes the common cold then? It's certainly not a bacterium. And it has been around for MUCH longer than modern medical science.
 
Moses_Young

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Wait... Now you're claiming ALL viruses are myth?

What causes the common cold then? It's certainly not a bacterium. And it has been around for MUCH longer than modern medical science.
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No virus has ever been isolated, and demonstrated to cause the sickness it is associated with. Virus theory is akin to saying that firemen are the cause of fires, because wherever we find fires, we often find firemen. However, we also find firemen where there are no fires. The firemen don't cause the fires - they are part of the response to the fires. In the same way, particles falsely identified as viruses aren't the cause of sicknesses - they are the results of the body responding to the sicknesses.

I hesitated posting this, lest cognitive dissonance set in, but as you asked, I have posted the below, hypothesizing a primary cause of influenza. I believe the common cold (or influenza) is basically the body's mechanism to detoxify. Toxification can be caused by things such as stress, ingested poison, organisms or radiation. Taken from The Invisible Rainbow: A History of Electricity and Life, by Arthur Firstenberg.

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Lynx

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Now illness causing bacteria are mythological too?

The influenza bacterium has definitely been isolated and found to produce the poison that causes the symptoms of flu.
 
Lynx

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By the way we are taking this thread far afield from its intended purpose...
 
Moses_Young

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Forgot to include this bit. This is where he links to influenza to electricity. My belief is that the electricity produces toxins (or otherwise inhibits the body's function), and the influenza is the body's reaction to dispel the toxins.

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Moses_Young

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Lynx said:
Now illness causing bacteria are mythological too?

The influenza bacterium has definitely been isolated and found to produce the poison that causes the symptoms of flu.
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No, I didn't say this. Bacteria exist and are capable of causing disease. I haven't looked into this as much, but pretty sure this can be scientifically proven. Viruses (note that influenza is claimed to be a virus) have never been isolated and proven to cause their respective diseases.

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By the way we are taking this thread far afield from its intended purpose...
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Yeah, I will stop posting on this now, if you do! :p
 
Lynx

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Moses_Young said:
No, I didn't say this. Bacteria exist and are capable of causing disease. I haven't looked into this as much, but pretty sure this can be scientifically proven. Viruses (note that influenza is claimed to be a virus) have never been isolated and proven to cause their respective diseases.

Yeah, I will stop posting on this now, if you do! :p
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Wait, what? Who claimed influenza was caused by a virus? That is always been a bacterium thing.

Man, I knew flu bacteria should have gotten better press agents. That's what happens when you go with cut rate agencies.
 
Lynx

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Huh. A quick Google confirms there are virus-based flu strains. Or rather, virus strains which produce the same symptoms that the bacterial flu causes.

Bacteria definitely need better press agents.
 
Moses_Young

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Lynx said:
Wait, what? Who claimed influenza was caused by a virus? That is always been a bacterium thing.

Man, I knew flu bacteria should have gotten better press agents. That's what happens when you go with cut rate agencies.
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Do a search. You'll find the commonly accepted theory is that flu is a virus. I don't doubt that bacteria are able to cause flu-like symptoms, but there is no bacteria associated with covid - they claimed it is a virus (and as per my argument, there is no scientifically defensible proof that viruses actually exist). (Note - if they claimed covid were a bacteria, these are isolatable, and therefore this claim could be scientifically validated or invalidated).

Here's a link to influenza, which supports my claim that the mainstream belief (hence the Wikipedia reference) is that influenza is a virus (not a bacteria).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus
 
Tall_Timbers

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I guess if one wished to have a reasonable water supply in the event of emergency, they could acquire and fill a water tank or bladder. Both are common in Alaska whether people have their own wells or not. I borrowed one when my well failed in the middle of winter. That's about the only way I can think of for storing a meaningful amount of water without having to fill up an entire house with water containers. I think space for a 300 gallon container could be found in many homes... but make sure the flooring is such that it will support the weight.
 
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I find it all very interesting but I didn't used to do so. To my shame I used to dismiss Preppers as being a bit odd! I realise now how wrong I was.
It is in fact surely important for us to be prepared and organised to some extent for a real worldwide emergency. After all, covid gave us all a wake-up call as to how vulnerable we all are. I have become far too lax about maintaining any extra supplies in my home.

So, why do people tend to dismiss Preppers do you think? As soon as we describe someone as a Prepper people start making all sorts of negative comments and even mock.
 
Tall_Timbers

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MaryM said:
I find it all very interesting but I didn't used to do so. To my shame I used to dismiss Preppers as being a bit odd! I realise now how wrong I was.
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I'm not a very good prepper, but do keep a big bag of rice and another of beans in the house. Have to replace the beans every year or so... the waste is sad. Years ago I bought a couple of those "prepper" freeze dried buckets from Sam's Club. About 5 years later I tasted one of the products from a bucket. It was so bad that I threw the rest of what I paid about $200 for into the trash. It must take a significant investment of time to become fluent in prepping. I prefer to do a little but keep my focus mostly on today as it has troubles enough of its own... but that doesn't keep me from making sure we have a little extra for when needed. Planning for tomorrow is worthwhile for those led to do so.

Those who think a few days of food in the house is more than adequate because God will provide might discover that God did provide but now the supermarket shelves are empty and the house is too...
 
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Tall_Timbers said:
I'm not a very good prepper, but do keep a big bag of rice and another of beans in the house. Have to replace the beans every year or so... the waste is sad. Years ago I bought a couple of those "prepper" freeze dried buckets from Sam's Club. About 5 years later I tasted one of the products from a bucket. It was so bad that I threw the rest of what I paid about $200 for into the trash. It must take a significant investment of time to become fluent in prepping. I prefer to do a little but keep my focus mostly on today as it has troubles enough of its own... but that doesn't keep me from making sure we have a little extra for when needed. Planning for tomorrow is worthwhile for those led to do so.

Those who think a few days of food in the house is more than adequate because God will provide might discover that God did provide but now the supermarket shelves are empty and the house is too...
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I think laying extra stocks of non perishable items is sensible. I aim to buy a few extra items now a week and build a store of tins and stock my freezer more, all items we will eat anyway. Nothing special, just extra. If you have a month's supply that surely is at least a good basis.
Also ensuring your car is filled, you keep a decent amount of cash in the house. That's surely prudent.
 
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Moses_Young said:
If viruses were real, you'd be able to isolate at least one of them - testable and repeatable. Simple science we all learn in grade school. And yet no virus has ever been isolated. (Note that I use the word isolation in it's true, scientific sense, not a contradictory meaning of the term useful for propagating virus mythology).
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I will trust doctors on this.
 
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MaryM said:
I think laying extra stocks of non perishable items is sensible. I aim to buy a few extra items now a week and build a store of tins and stock my freezer more, all items we will eat anyway. Nothing special, just extra. If you have a month's supply that surely is at least a good basis.
Also ensuring your car is filled, you keep a decent amount of cash in the house. That's surely prudent.
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I try to keep enough cash on hand for 2 months of living, and I normally keep enough food for a month or so just by buying extra of what we normally consume. I say normally because we've just moved so it'll take some time before we're stocked up.
 
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