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I was told that Jewish People who follow their religion are still going to Heaven without believing in Jesus. I never heard this viewpoint before, where is it from and who teaches it?

I agree there is no name one can be saved, except Jesus our Lord and Savior.
 
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NO. AINT NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. IMPOSSIBLE. CLEARLY, ANYONE MUST BELIVE IN JESUS TO GET TO HEAVEN. THAT IS, PROCLAIM JESUS AS YOU SAVIOR, BELIEVING IN GOD & THE HOLY SPIRIT ALSO! ALSO JOHN 3:5, 1ST JOHN 5:10 & 13 TOO.
 
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I am not so sure that statement is not truth, I am a believer in the Duel Covenant and the following verse.

Hebrews 12:22-23
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect…

I believe the just men made perfect are Jews that never excepted Christ as Lord.
 
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2 Corinthians 3:13-15~ We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites
from gazing at the end of what was fading away. But their minds were closed. For to this day the same veil remains at the reading
of the old covenant. It has not been lifted, because only in Christ can it be removed. And even to this day when Moses is read, a veil
covers their hearts. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
 
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AcceptedintheBeloved said:
I am not so sure that statement is not truth, I am a believer in the Duel Covenant and the following verse.

Hebrews 12:22-23
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect…

I believe the just men made perfect are Jews that never excepted Christ as Lord.
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They are those who died before Christ arose but they had faith that God would deliver them. Christ appeared to them when they were imprisoned by Death. See, Death had not been conquered by Christ until His death. Once conquered, Christ appeared to them as the object of their faith in God for deliverance.

That’s what this passage in 1Peter 3 means:

“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison…”

Many of them were Jews, sure, but they were made perfect by the covenant that Christ secured for all, not by another covenant.
 
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TheLearner said:
I was told that Jewish People who follow their religion are still going to Heaven without believing in Jesus. I never heard this viewpoint before, where is it from and who teaches it?

I agree there is no name one can be saved, except Jesus our Lord and Savior.
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I would assume it’s what Judaism became after Jerusalem and it’s temple was destroyed and left desolate , I think the issue was always that they wouldn’t accept Jesus when he came and so it seems like even today many are still trying to reject him and make Judaism Gods actual way
 
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TheLearner said:
I was told that Jewish People who follow their religion are still going to Heaven without believing in Jesus. I never heard this viewpoint before, where is it from and who teaches it?

I agree there is no name one can be saved, except Jesus our Lord and Savior.
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Judaism is antichrist

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
 
TheLearner said:
I was told that Jewish People who follow their religion are still going to Heaven without believing in Jesus. I never heard this viewpoint before, where is it from and who teaches it?
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I don't believe anyone teaches this. There is no salvation outside of Christ.
 
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TheLearner said:
I was told that Jewish People who follow their religion are still going to Heaven without believing in Jesus. I never heard this viewpoint before, where is it from and who teaches it?

I agree there is no name one can be saved, except Jesus our Lord and Savior.
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TheLearner said:
I was told that Jewish People who follow their religion are still going to Heaven without believing in Jesus. I never heard this viewpoint before, where is it from and who teaches it?
All who truly praise God are by definition, Jews, this includes all who are adopted children of God.
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TheLearner said:
I was told that Jewish People who follow their religion are still going to Heaven without believing in Jesus. I never heard this viewpoint before, where is it from and who teaches it?

I agree there is no name one can be saved, except Jesus our Lord and Savior.
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It comes from ecumenists like Roman Catholicism, Rick Warren and Billy Graham, to name few.
 
TheLearner said:
I was told that Jewish People who follow their religion are still going to Heaven without believing in Jesus.
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People who reject Jesus Christ reject His saving grace. Jesus Christ is life, and without Him there is no life, especially eternal life.
 
People from under the Old Covenant together with us from the New Covenant are the Righteousness of God.

That's Paul saying that....and he is correct.
The Sabbath commandment covered faith in the Messiah to come.
 
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● Luke 16:27-29 . . I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for
I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to
this place of torment. Abraham replied: They have Moses and the Prophets;
let your brothers listen to them.

Abraham was a prophet. (Gen 20:7)
Prophets knew about Jesus. (John 8:56 & 1Pet 1:10-12)

So; if Abraham knew about Jesus, then why would he direct the man's five
brothers to the Old Testament?
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TheLearner said:
I was told that Jewish People who follow their religion are still going to Heaven without believing in Jesus. I never heard this viewpoint before, where is it from and who teaches it?

I agree there is no name one can be saved, except Jesus our Lord and Savior.
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You are correct that all must come to the light, which is Jesus.
Many Jewish people will miss the Rapture but finally find their way to Jesus during the Great Tribulation. We call it The Time of Jacob's Trouble. They shall be led into the wilderness and be saved from sure destruction by God, and there they shall finally see the light. It is in this way that their souls shall ultimately be saved. Much of this is prophesied in the middle portions of Revelation. (And perhaps other parts of the Bible as well.)
 
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TheLearner said:
I was told that Jewish People who follow their religion are still going to Heaven without believing in Jesus. I never heard this viewpoint before, where is it from and who teaches it?

I agree there is no name one can be saved, except Jesus our Lord and Savior.
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Also to add to the other groups I think hyper dispensationalists teach this, this includes the two gospel grace folk who believe Paul has a different gospel to the Gentiles, Ive noticed some on these forums.

But the fact is the law can save no one, for it condemns. The Old Testament saints had faith in God that He would provide a way of salvation even if they could only see it afar, but see it by faith they could.

Jesus said, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” (John 8:56)
 
TheLearner said:
I was told that Jewish People who follow their religion are still going to Heaven without believing in Jesus. I never heard this viewpoint before, where is it from and who teaches it?
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The Jews themselves, of course.

In their well nigh invincible IGNORANCE (which can only be penetrated by the Holy Spirit), after they MISSED their time of visitation, they Murdered God's only begotten Son, who is their redeemer, and developed "Denominational Theology" to cover it all.
 
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Webers.Home said:
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● Luke 16:27-29 . . I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for
I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to
this place of torment. Abraham replied: They have Moses and the Prophets;
let your brothers listen to them.

Abraham was a prophet. (Gen 20:7)
Prophets knew about Jesus. (John 8:56 & 1Pet 1:10-12)

So; if Abraham knew about Jesus, then why would he direct the man's five
brothers to the Old Testament?
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I can think of 3 reasons:

1. The law is a school master to lead people to Christ.
2. Faith has always come by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
3. There was no NT to turn to.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I can think of 3 reasons:

1. The law is a school master to lead people to Christ.
2. Faith has always come by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
3. There was no NT to turn to.
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Another reason to consider, the law and the prophets point to Jesus Yeshua.
 
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