The Apostle Paul Taught the Gospel of Jesus

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Pilgrimshope

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#21
Where did Jesus say the we must receive him as Lord and Saviour?
Paul said it actually

“that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Its not saying “confess that Jesus died and rose “ it’s saying confess Jesus we lord and also believe that God raised him from the dead “

“For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭4:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:15‬ ‭

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭

It’s when you begin to believe Jesus is the lord that you then Start hearing what he’s saying

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

( this is practical the term lord of molies subjection to the others authority it makes no sense for me to call Jesus lord and then argue against obeying what he said as if he is lord )


Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.


But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46-49‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We can’t act like faith means we now don’t need to hear the lord and obey him as lord that’s not what it is . It’s when you realize he is the lord and his no te ruin and purpose in all he said is to save us and bring us to repentance and righteousness of faith , where we trust God enough to do what he says knowing it will bring his promise to pass
 

Pilgrimshope

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#22
You can stop projecting that lie that I claimed that Paul was a heretic. Nobody's buying it.

Above you say, "My position is Jesus Christ preached the only gospel and anyone who believes will be saved"

Then

you post a bunch of works as additional requirements in many other posts since I've been here. Which is it, grace or works?
I don’t think most people pay any attention to foolishness actually arguing and bickering either way


a o what’s happened here is you read a comment and Claimed I’m preaching some false gospel lol I have no clue what your issue is

it happens anytime someone actually quotes from things Jesus and Paul said though

paul the apostle wrote this , understand this is not me writing this

“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Has Paul written a fallacy here tonthe church at rome because he’s saying we’re going to be judged by our deeds ? And better repent ?

Is this scriptire paul wrote false because he wrote this scripture in a letter ?

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬


because pqul wrote this in Ephesians now Roman’s is a lie ? I do t understand why a few of Paul’s words are true but everything else just isn’t it doesn’t make sense why Gods way would be to ignore what he says bout being saved like this

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is a truth about salvstion spoken bY Jesus the lord and his apostles like Paul

It’s just true is my point if we dont repent we’re going to perish and god is giving us patience and forebearance and strength and patience so we can hear and believe and be saved

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

remember what Paul wrote above ?

“Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

why does that matter though apostle Paul ?

“God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:


but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”

Do you see what a fool I would be to simply pretend these things rent in every book of the Bible and believe them ?

aid your in a biblical discussion forum you are bound to eventually see scripture that doesn’t agree with you the question is will you let it be true or reject it ?

please don’t pretend that I’ve done something wrong to you or accused yoh of anything though like “ claiming Paul is a heretic “ I didn’t say that of you , I said it to make my own point of yoh want to discuss that’s great of yoh want to bicker and Argue I don’t have time but consider the other things paul wrote in his letters I think you would find a lot more agreement with me

This is all I’m getting at and every Christian should believe it

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


saved by grace through faith actually has a meaning it’s found in all the other scripture and our deeds no longer mattering and isn’t what it means
 

John146

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#23
Paul said it actually

“that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Its not saying “confess that Jesus died and rose “ it’s saying confess Jesus we lord and also believe that God raised him from the dead “

“For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭4:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:15‬ ‭

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭

It’s when you begin to believe Jesus is the lord that you then Start hearing what he’s saying

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

( this is practical the term lord of molies subjection to the others authority it makes no sense for me to call Jesus lord and then argue against obeying what he said as if he is lord )


Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.


But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46-49‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We can’t act like faith means we now don’t need to hear the lord and obey him as lord that’s not what it is . It’s when you realize he is the lord and his no te ruin and purpose in all he said is to save us and bring us to repentance and righteousness of faith , where we trust God enough to do what he says knowing it will bring his promise to pass
Yes, but where did Jesus say this during his earthly ministry? That was the question.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#24
You can stop projecting that lie that I claimed that Paul was a heretic. Nobody's buying it.

Above you say, "My position is Jesus Christ preached the only gospel and anyone who believes will be saved"

Then

you post a bunch of works as additional requirements in many other posts since I've been here. Which is it, grace or works?
“Which is it, grace or works?”

that’s the wrong question the question is Gods grace that saves us ? Teaching repentance and doing good works

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Or man’s false altered grace that removes all of the repentance and good works gods grace teaches us when we hear and believe the gospel he preached people telling us to reject Jesus word

“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

remember what Jesus said about rejecting his words

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s been true since Adam “ don’t eat the fruit you’ll die “ Adam ate the fruit and died “

its always incredibly puzzling how grace isnt understood here

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

To accept what Jesus said there is salvstion by faith

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gods grace is found in the gospel he teaches us Gods Will teaches us who we are teaches us to repent and do right before it’s too late

Gospel of grace

“And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭

This is salvstion by grace through faith

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and this is salvstion

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is salvstion of a sinner by faith in Jesus

“Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭7:47-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this also it’s salvstion for a believer

“And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭11:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If I reject it I’m rejecting the lord Jesus Christs own word about God the father and his children and someone has deceived me into not believing him it seems a basic me simple point Jesus always knows the truths of God and anyone who realizes and accept it will follow after him and be saved because of faith and his abundant grace towards imperfect believers


The good news is that man doesn’t have to die anymore we can now live forever with Jesus his death and resurrection is essential and the purchasing price of it all his word is the guide and light for the path ahead of us that leads home
 

Pilgrimshope

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#25
Yes, but where did Jesus say this during his earthly ministry? That was the question.
it’s in a lot of what he said like this

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you see his authority and that of his word over life and death and all jidgement the statement “Jesus is lord “ acknolwedged that authority over all of heaven and earth. And the decree of the king

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He constantly said who he the lord is and that we have to accept him it sounds different later because I be is after and one is establishing things like when Jesus preached of his death and resurrection he didn’t say “ believe I have died and rose “ because it hadn’t happened he was saying “ I’m going to go to Jerusalem and be killed and be raised up again “

The words are different the faith is the same they all knew they had to believe in Jesus the son of God the lord

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The promised son would be the lord

“Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, And the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: Be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

Serve the LORD with fear, And rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, When his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭2:6-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He said it we just don’t hear it because it’s coming from prophets beforehand who also said it many times
 

Pilgrimshope

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#26
Has the end of the world come? If not, why? I will add Colossians 1:5-6.

5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
I’m not really sure what you’re saying are you saying the world already ended ?
 

Nehemiah6

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#27
Where did Jesus say the we must receive him as Lord and Saviour?
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. (Isaiah 45:22,23)
 

John146

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#28
it’s in a lot of what he said like this

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you see his authority and that of his word over life and death and all jidgement the statement “Jesus is lord “ acknolwedged that authority over all of heaven and earth. And the decree of the king

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He constantly said who he the lord is and that we have to accept him it sounds different later because I be is after and one is establishing things like when Jesus preached of his death and resurrection he didn’t say “ believe I have died and rose “ because it hadn’t happened he was saying “ I’m going to go to Jerusalem and be killed and be raised up again “

The words are different the faith is the same they all knew they had to believe in Jesus the son of God the lord

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The promised son would be the lord

“Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, And the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: Be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

Serve the LORD with fear, And rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, When his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭2:6-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He said it we just don’t hear it because it’s coming from prophets beforehand who also said it many times
None of what you posted states that Jesus said specifically during his earthly ministry that you must trust him as your Lord and Savior.
 

John146

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#29
I’m not really sure what you’re saying are you saying the world already ended ?
I was addressing the original post. Compare:

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Colossians 1
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

If the message is the same, why hasn't the world come to an end?
 

John146

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Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. (Isaiah 45:22,23)
Isaiah's prophecy concerning Jesus? Jesus did not, during his earthly ministry, state that one should receive him as Lord and Savior.
 

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#31
Very interesting seeing the wheat and the tares growing up together.
 

Nehemiah6

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#32
Isaiah's prophecy concerning Jesus? Jesus did not, during his earthly ministry, state that one should receive him as Lord and Savior.
Now you switched over to "earthly ministry" but that was not in your original question. You asked where Jesus said to receive Him as Lord and Savior. That Scripture is perfectly clear on both counts. It is not merely "Isaiah's prophecy" but the words of Christ in the Bible.

"Look unto me and be ye saved" = I AM YOUR SAVIOR
"For I am God" = I AM YOUR LORD

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Phil 2:10,11)
 

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Paul said it actually

“that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Its not saying “confess that Jesus died and rose “ it’s saying confess Jesus we lord and also believe that God raised him from the dead “

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9:)
 

Pilgrimshope

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#35

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9:)
“that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:10-14KJV‬

“ for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God.

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:10-12‬ ‭

“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46-49‬ ‭

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I. How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth! The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭52:6-7, 10KJV‬‬


“Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears. Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth. Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:8-11

“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:27-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭

God was manifest in the flesh

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬

preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16, 19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:34-35, 37-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:15‬ ‭
 

GRACE_ambassador

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Now and again, someone will come along here saying that Paul taught a different Gospel than Jesus. IMO, and according to Paul himself, nothing could be further from the truth.
Thanks for your Very Humble opinion...

Of course he did, Because he "received it from The Glorified LORD Jesus, From Heaven!"
So, now, which is it? The 'gospel of the kingdom' He Gave to Twelve, on earth? or:

The Gospel Of The Grace Of God, He Gave To ONE apostle, From Heaven? ie:

Now that I have decided to follow Jesus? Which Program, earthly, OR, Heavenly.
do I follow?" Or, do I homogenize them into only one eartheavenly program,
leaving the Masses In Total Confusion?:

A) Do I follow Him, and the doctrine He Spoke as The:

Humble Christ, on the earth, To Israel, 12 apostles, Under The Law/covenants
/Prophecy:

1) Repent (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!") or perish
(Luk 13:3,5, 24:47; Mar 1:4)
+
2) believe the gospel of the kingdom (Mat 4:23, 9:35, 24:14; Mar 1:14,15)
+
3) be water baptized "For the remission of sin" (Mar 1:4 Luk 3:3, 7:29:30, 24:47;
Act 2:38)
+
4) "show works meet for repentance" (Mat 3:8), because,
+
5) "to the twelve tribes of Israel," "faith Without works is dead"
(James 1:1, 2:17,26)
+
6) "keep the commandments" to "enter life" (Mat 19:17)
+
7) "one thing thou lackest...sell ALL/take up cross/follow Jesus"
(Mar 10:17-23)
+
8) pray as a watchman, for Great Tribulation, man of sin, son of perdition, and
signs of the end times, and Second Coming?

A) Do I follow His earthly prophecy "faith PLUS works" program of covenants and law?
( OT, Mat - John, Heb - Rev ) or:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

B) Do I follow Him As The Risen And Glorified "Head Of His Church" and ask:

I have decided to Follow ( The Heavenly ) LORD Jesus?

And, His Heavenly Pure Grace Program, According To The Revelation Of The Mystery?
(His Doctrine in Romans - Philemon)

Of course, Under God's Other Context Of Grace for The ( Heavenly ) ONE Body
Of Christ, Which began with ( ONE apostle ) Paul, Baptized By The ONE Spirit,
as the first 'member' of the ONE New man...
(Ephesians 2:15; 1 Timothy 1:16; Romans 11:13; Ephesians 4:5; 1 Corinthians 12:13),

...it is ( as Paul states 21 x ) "But Now":

1) Have repentance toward God (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!")
(Acts 20:21)
+
2) Have faith toward The LORD Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21), and trust/believe The Gospel
Of The Grace Of God: His Death ( ALL-Sufficient Work On The Cross ), Burial, And
Resurrection, According To The Scripture (Ephesians 2:5-9; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4)
+
3) Acknowledge I am Spiritually Baptized By The ONE Baptism Of The Holy Spirit
Into The ONE (Spiritual Organism) Body Of Christ, Seated In the Heavenlies
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27; Romans 6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13)
+
4) Acknowledge Christ Is Living in me, so I allow Him to, through me:
+
5) To Fulfil:

All Of His Law, In ONE Word: ►► love ◄◄ thy neighbor​
as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)​
+
6) Study God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided to show myself "Approved Unto God"
(2 Timothy 2:15), and all the rest of these Bible study rules!
+
7) Work with my hands to "give to them in need," and the LORD "shall supply all my need"
(Ephesians 4:28; 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12; 2 Thessalonians 3:10-12; 1 Timothy 5:8)
+
8) Be a humble prayer warrior and:
"...look, watch, and Patiently WAIT For..." = The LORD Jesus Christ!
(2 Thessalonians 2:1; Romans 8:18-19; Romans 8:23; Romans 8:25; 1 Corinthians 1:7;
Ephesians 6:12-18; Philippians 3:20; Colossians 4:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 1:10;
1 Thessalonians 5:5-11; Titus 2:13)
+
9) Put on the FULL armour of God and stand, in the spiritual warfare I wrestle with
(Ephesians 6:10-18)
+
10)
Eph 6:19 "And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I
may open my mouth boldly, to make known the Mystery Of The Gospel,"
+
11)
"And to make all men see what is the fellowship of The Mystery, which from the
beginning of the world hath been hid in God, Who created all things by Jesus Christ"
(Eph 3:9)
+
12) Acknowledge that I am going to give an account at Judgment
(1 Corinthians 3:8-15; Romans 14:12), at my Heavenly Home-Going
( Great GRACE Departure! )

According to these and all the details of God's Sound Doctrinal Blueprint In
Romans Through Philemon?
(1 Timothy 1:10; 2 Timothy 4:3; Titus 1:9):

Titus 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

Or:

C) Do I speak after following the Many, who homogenize A) + B) into
Massive Confusion?

Final question would be: Which Option, Under Grace Today, should I take
To Honor and Glorify God, Who Plainly and Clear Says in Romans 11:6:
"And if By Grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise​
Grace is no more Grace. But if it be of works, then is it​
no more Grace: otherwise work is no more work."​

Precious friend(s), thanks again. I appreciate all your prayerful and
careful consideration of this Eternally Important Matter.

Amen.

Extra Related study Bonus:

UnScriptural or UNdispensational?
 

p_rehbein

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#37
Where did Jesus say the we must receive him as Lord and Saviour?
So many different places/times. Every time Jesus said those who believe in Him would be saved. Every time He spoke of the need to repent. When He taught He was the way, truth and life, that He was the Living Waters, that He was the "door." And on, and on, and on.........

And He taught the opposite........those who "deny" Him will be denied by Him.......

Any person who believes it is not necessary to receive Jesus as Lord and Savior of their life to be saved is NOT SAVED...........IMO.....how could they be?
 

John146

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#38
So many different places/times. Every time Jesus said those who believe in Him would be saved. Every time He spoke of the need to repent. When He taught He was the way, truth and life, that He was the Living Waters, that He was the "door." And on, and on, and on.........

And He taught the opposite........those who "deny" Him will be denied by Him.......

Any person who believes it is not necessary to receive Jesus as Lord and Savior of their life to be saved is NOT SAVED...........IMO.....how could they be?
Words are important, not assumptions.
 

Nehemiah6

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#39
Any person who believes it is not necessary to receive Jesus as Lord and Savior of their life to be saved is NOT SAVED...........IMO.....how could they be?
When Jesus said "Why call ye me Lord, Lord...?" it was implied that He was to be Lord and Savior of every believer. There are other times when He told His disciples that they were doing the right thing by calling Him "Lord". So anyone arguing about this has gone off the rails.