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Even if Our Lord was speaking Greek, we can still know that He was referring to Peter as the Rock.
The difference in Petros/Petra where Petros == small stone and Petra == huge rock doesn't occur in the Koine Greek dialect of the time, but is found in the ancient Attic Greek dialect (IE, from the time of Homer). In Koine the two words are interchangeable and the only difference is that the word Petra is a feminine word, and Petros is the masculine form of the word. You can't refer to a guy using a feminine word and be correct grammatically, so to preserve the grammatical structure and the play on words as best he could, Matthew (or his translator) used Petros instead of Petra for Peter's new name.
The idea that Peter isn't the Rock as spoken of in that passage is a new interpretation that isn't even held by the original reformers either.
The difference in Petros/Petra where Petros == small stone and Petra == huge rock doesn't occur in the Koine Greek dialect of the time, but is found in the ancient Attic Greek dialect (IE, from the time of Homer). In Koine the two words are interchangeable and the only difference is that the word Petra is a feminine word, and Petros is the masculine form of the word. You can't refer to a guy using a feminine word and be correct grammatically, so to preserve the grammatical structure and the play on words as best he could, Matthew (or his translator) used Petros instead of Petra for Peter's new name.
The idea that Peter isn't the Rock as spoken of in that passage is a new interpretation that isn't even held by the original reformers either.
Amen!
And anyone who believes it is not being honest with themselves regarding what the scripture says. Their interpretation does not grammatically fit what Jesus said to Peter. He would have had to say "I am the rock on which I will build my church", clearly when he says "THIS is the rock" he is referring to something/someone other than himself.
And anyone who believes it is not being honest with themselves regarding what the scripture says. Their interpretation does not grammatically fit what Jesus said to Peter. He would have had to say "I am the rock on which I will build my church", clearly when he says "THIS is the rock" he is referring to something/someone other than himself.
If I remember correctly too, the Koine Greek does have a word for small stone, lithos. But the Gospel doesn't record Our Lord saying, "You are Lithos, and upon this Petra I will build my Church..." Instead we see "You are Petros (masculine form since Peter's a guy) and on this Petra (feminine normal form) I will build my Church."
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I can't speak for others, but for me, I do accept that "the rock" refers to Peter. Jesus founded "the church" on Peter. Peter was the first High Priest of the city of Rome. This does not mean that only the Roman Catholic Church is the true Church. It's that last leap that many Catholics seem to make that bothers me. "Protestants aren't True Christians (TM) because Peter was the first Pope." Not sure why that has to follow.
I also have a problem with anyone who say that "Catholics aren't True Christians (TM) because...." (fill in the blank) I have often had to defend Catholic doctrine on the place of Mary and the saints, on the use of icons and other objects in prayer, on prayers to Mary and the saints, and many other topics.
I also have a problem with anyone who say that "Catholics aren't True Christians (TM) because...." (fill in the blank) I have often had to defend Catholic doctrine on the place of Mary and the saints, on the use of icons and other objects in prayer, on prayers to Mary and the saints, and many other topics.
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We shall get together and do a rosary prayer or add each other on facebook we can even do like a group chat or a group on facebook just for us... who ever is enterested just message my page or add me and message me on here what does everyone thing anyone enterested. We can do like skype calls talking about bible or even on here like i said we can do a facebook group and make it private for only us who join..
Yes, i heard a former scientologists speaking about it. They have cops working for them and stuff. If a person tries to quit their religion they are hunted down and either scared into going back or they 'disappear'. Few people leave because they know how far reaching the church's power is in society. I used to not believe it but then I saw an interview with the guy who is their spokesperson and the way that he dodged important questions. I totally believe it now.
By the way, while the guy was speaking on the radio, both his former boss (the man he wanted to escape from) and the PR guy for the church called in and wanted to 'set things straight' so to speak. Its scary how no one can get out of their sight because if u leave they will always be watching you and this guy is lucky because he made such a big deal in the media about it that his disappearance would be very suspicious now.
By the way, while the guy was speaking on the radio, both his former boss (the man he wanted to escape from) and the PR guy for the church called in and wanted to 'set things straight' so to speak. Its scary how no one can get out of their sight because if u leave they will always be watching you and this guy is lucky because he made such a big deal in the media about it that his disappearance would be very suspicious now.
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I was scared our Catholic thread was gonna turn into an argument-about-Catholicism thread there for a second 
Anyway, I'm seeing a lotttttttt of arguing (debating feels inappropriate) going on throughout CC about "Prophets". As Catholics, do you believe in any modern day mystics or anyone receiving messages from Jesus. Personally, I do, one in particular being those given to a lady called "Anne" whose messages are compiled into books called "Directions for Our Times". Here's her website if anyone is interested: Direction For Our Times. I have read a lot of her books, and discerned that I could find no false teachings in them. She is a Catholic btw. I would suggest you get hold of a few of her book as they are very inspirational. Thoughts?
Anyway, I'm seeing a lotttttttt of arguing (debating feels inappropriate) going on throughout CC about "Prophets". As Catholics, do you believe in any modern day mystics or anyone receiving messages from Jesus. Personally, I do, one in particular being those given to a lady called "Anne" whose messages are compiled into books called "Directions for Our Times". Here's her website if anyone is interested: Direction For Our Times. I have read a lot of her books, and discerned that I could find no false teachings in them. She is a Catholic btw. I would suggest you get hold of a few of her book as they are very inspirational. Thoughts?