Paul saw the ten commandments as part of the "ministry of death."
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involved with such a person if they persist after a number of corrections. They even posted to me once
saying they knew I had them on ignore, and pronounced that they were okay with that. Obviously they were not.
I was on their hit list .
. I'd had them on ignore but was curious as to what others wereresponding to, so by the time I read their very long post full of false accusations, it was already
a day or two old. I reported it not because of what they said about me, but because they had also
included the owner of this site on their diss list. Another of the things they said was that they had
joined here on a dare from another site where they were a member, to see how long they lasted.
I had them on ignore because they repeatedly falsely accused me of things, and I do not care to be
involved with such a person if they persist after a number of corrections. They even posted to me once
saying they knew I had them on ignore, and pronounced that they were okay with that. Obviously they were not.
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thank you, for the acute awareness of my personage in regard to the use of terms of endearment toward me.
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No, they were accusing various members here of operating multiple accounts at once.
I was on their hit list .. I'd had them on ignore but was curious as to what others were
responding to, so by the time I read their very long post full of false accusations, it was already
a day or two old. I reported it not because of what they said about me, but because they had also
included the owner of this site on their diss list. Another of the things they said was that they had
joined here on a dare from another site where they were a member, to see how long they lasted.
I had them on ignore because they repeatedly falsely accused me of things, and I do not care to be
involved with such a person if they persist after a number of corrections. They even posted to me once
saying they knew I had them on ignore, and pronounced that they were okay with that. Obviously they were not.
I was on their hit list .
. I'd had them on ignore but was curious as to what others wereresponding to, so by the time I read their very long post full of false accusations, it was already
a day or two old. I reported it not because of what they said about me, but because they had also
included the owner of this site on their diss list. Another of the things they said was that they had
joined here on a dare from another site where they were a member, to see how long they lasted.
I had them on ignore because they repeatedly falsely accused me of things, and I do not care to be
involved with such a person if they persist after a number of corrections. They even posted to me once
saying they knew I had them on ignore, and pronounced that they were okay with that. Obviously they were not.
sorry that happened
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Yes that’s the detriment you can live forty years obeying every single thing the book of the law says and then ….
“but if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”
James 2:9-10 KJV
if I tell one lie in my whole life I’ve broken the whole law of God because it is one solid unit that includes and is everything Moses wrote and commanded to the children of Israel every precept he spoke when one element is broken that’s the end of a sinner keeping Gods law you can keep it all but then one transgression means you are a sinner like every other human and can never undo the lie you told can never remake the covenant that requires it be kept entirely without fault this is the curse Paul speaks of
“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
Galatians 3:10-12 KJV
the cirse of the law is when you don’t continually do every single word it says this promises that you are now cursed
The law literally ends with “ if you do everything Moses wrote done on the book of the law you’ll be blessed and have a long life and then you’ll die peacefully and rest with the fathers who went before you “
abut if you don’t keep everything o e commanded you and break this covenant you will be corses and destroyed and made a mockery and example to all the world not to reject the true God when he chooses you “
these things are written on the law itself it could be an earthly blessing in the land of Israel prosper them and bless their crops and deeds and lives before they died after a good long life . But it also could be a terrible curse based solely on whether it was kept perfectly or broken perfectly ot was broken and became a curse that will end the world
sonthis warning In The covenant law of Moses
“Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; a blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day: and a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.”
Deuteronomy 11:26-28 KJV
Later
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“Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.”
Daniel 9:11
And it spread
“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.
The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.
The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
Isaiah 24:5-6, 17, 19-
awe can’t be saved by a broken curse
“but if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”
James 2:9-10 KJV
if I tell one lie in my whole life I’ve broken the whole law of God because it is one solid unit that includes and is everything Moses wrote and commanded to the children of Israel every precept he spoke when one element is broken that’s the end of a sinner keeping Gods law you can keep it all but then one transgression means you are a sinner like every other human and can never undo the lie you told can never remake the covenant that requires it be kept entirely without fault this is the curse Paul speaks of
“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
Galatians 3:10-12 KJV
the cirse of the law is when you don’t continually do every single word it says this promises that you are now cursed
The law literally ends with “ if you do everything Moses wrote done on the book of the law you’ll be blessed and have a long life and then you’ll die peacefully and rest with the fathers who went before you “
abut if you don’t keep everything o e commanded you and break this covenant you will be corses and destroyed and made a mockery and example to all the world not to reject the true God when he chooses you “
these things are written on the law itself it could be an earthly blessing in the land of Israel prosper them and bless their crops and deeds and lives before they died after a good long life . But it also could be a terrible curse based solely on whether it was kept perfectly or broken perfectly ot was broken and became a curse that will end the world
sonthis warning In The covenant law of Moses
“Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; a blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day: and a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.”
Deuteronomy 11:26-28 KJV
Later
“
“Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.”
Daniel 9:11
And it spread
“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.
The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.
The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
Isaiah 24:5-6, 17, 19-
awe can’t be saved by a broken curse
I believe the levitical priesthood is removed, Moses law instutued the levites, Yahshua is High Priest after the order of Melchizedek, and Yahshua is mediator also teaching us how to properly follow YHWH's Commands, in word and by His deeds.
Hebrews 7:11-12, “Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed (#G3346), there is made of necessity a change (#G3331) also of the law.”
Notice it is the same word in English “change” but in the Greek they are 2 different words?
“For the priesthood being changed (#G3346), there is made of necessity a change (#G3331) also of the law.”
If we only look at the English it is easy to misunderstand what the writer of Hebrews is seeking to tell us. Lets take a deeper look at the difference between these words:
the priesthood being changed (#G3346)
Thayer Definition:
#G3346 metatithēmi - μετατίθημι
1) to transpose (two things, one of which is put in place of the other)
1a) to transfer
1b) to change
1c) to transfer one’s self or suffer one’s self to be transferred
1c1) to go or pass over
1c2) to fall away or desert from one person or thing to another
a change (#G3331) also of the law
Thayer Definition:
#G3331 metathesis - μετάθεσις
1) transfer: from one place to another
2) to change
2a) of things instituted or established
the priesthood being changed (#G3346) (two things, one of which is put in place of the other) means Yahshua's priesthood is active now and the levitical priesthood is deactivated.
a change (#G3331) also of the law 1) transfer: from one place to another, the Law of YHWH is transfarred to Yahshua's rule/mediation
Thus Yahshua says:
Matthew 5:17-18, "“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.."
Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Elohim, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
Isaiah 65:17, “For look, I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and the former shall not be remembered, nor come to heart.”
Mat 22:36-40, “Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deuteronomy 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
Hopefully that clears it up for you? Also thank you for answering my question last night, It might seem like no big deal but a lot of people refuse to have a back and forth discussion and answering questions so thank you again.
Hebrews 7:11-12, “Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed (#G3346), there is made of necessity a change (#G3331) also of the law.”
Notice it is the same word in English “change” but in the Greek they are 2 different words?
“For the priesthood being changed (#G3346), there is made of necessity a change (#G3331) also of the law.”
If we only look at the English it is easy to misunderstand what the writer of Hebrews is seeking to tell us. Lets take a deeper look at the difference between these words:
the priesthood being changed (#G3346)
Thayer Definition:
#G3346 metatithēmi - μετατίθημι
1) to transpose (two things, one of which is put in place of the other)
1a) to transfer
1b) to change
1c) to transfer one’s self or suffer one’s self to be transferred
1c1) to go or pass over
1c2) to fall away or desert from one person or thing to another
a change (#G3331) also of the law
Thayer Definition:
#G3331 metathesis - μετάθεσις
1) transfer: from one place to another
2) to change
2a) of things instituted or established
the priesthood being changed (#G3346) (two things, one of which is put in place of the other) means Yahshua's priesthood is active now and the levitical priesthood is deactivated.
a change (#G3331) also of the law 1) transfer: from one place to another, the Law of YHWH is transfarred to Yahshua's rule/mediation
Thus Yahshua says:
Matthew 5:17-18, "“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.."
Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Elohim, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
Isaiah 65:17, “For look, I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and the former shall not be remembered, nor come to heart.”
Mat 22:36-40, “Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deuteronomy 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
Hopefully that clears it up for you? Also thank you for answering my question last night, It might seem like no big deal but a lot of people refuse to have a back and forth discussion and answering questions so thank you again.
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i understand what your saying but it just contradicts in my mind I don’t mean this bad but I think if you would consider things like this you can understand that Jesus commands aren’t what Moses said beforehand but your trying to make it the same just Jesus showed or taught us how to keep Moses words
Jesus didn’t keep Moses words he taught opposite from them at many points . Jesus didn’t come to rearrange Moses words or te hash them he came with Gods promosed word of life a new word
it’s a new covenant that isn’t according to Moses covenant from Sinai god was always telling them he was going to do that
i think you haven’t yet properly let this sink in but God will work it out later consider what he’s saying do you consider this to be true ? Is there teo covenants ? Or just one that got a makeover ?
“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
Jeremiah 31:31-32 KJV
Do you see how Jeremiah says specifically and unambiguously “ I will make a new covenant that is not according to the covenant I made with Israel at Sinai the covenant they broke , though I chose them
what i hear you saying is Jesus came to fix us so we could obey Moses law but I could be wrong but that seems to be what I hear meaning what your sort of saying in your thinking but I could be wrong I’m not trying to judge you or anything just inderersnd what you really think
do you believe there are two covenants or just one that got an update ? Or do you think Jesus changes sinners so they can obey the law of Moses now ? I guess I don’t really understand exactly your position sometimes it sounds like one thing other times another but it’s probably how I’m reading it sometimes text is hard to fully grasp because of the lack of “emotion and observable tone “with the words were reading
In my opinion one cannot obey what Moses taught while obeying what Jesus taught Moses teaches contrary things we can’t feel free to divorce and remarry like Moses taught and then also not divorce and remarry or be adulterers like Jesus taught …..you see what I mean it’s not that Jesus adjusted Moses words he’s saying the contrary things at many points divorce and remarry as much as you feel like v no no don’t do that that’s adultery those thkngs aren’t the same they are totally contrary at every point
It’s because one is for the old sinner without the holy sporit and the other is for the one who’s being made holy unto God because they aren’t hard hearted sinners like those under the law were they are broken and contrite sinners who want redemption called Christian’s who are born in Christ by the things he said not what Moses said and that obey the things he said not what Moses said
you seem to have an issue with this part of what is being said but o could be way off the law eas good but it’s for before Christ came forth with life ….
Jesus didn’t keep Moses words he taught opposite from them at many points . Jesus didn’t come to rearrange Moses words or te hash them he came with Gods promosed word of life a new word
it’s a new covenant that isn’t according to Moses covenant from Sinai god was always telling them he was going to do that
i think you haven’t yet properly let this sink in but God will work it out later consider what he’s saying do you consider this to be true ? Is there teo covenants ? Or just one that got a makeover ?
“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
Jeremiah 31:31-32 KJV
Do you see how Jeremiah says specifically and unambiguously “ I will make a new covenant that is not according to the covenant I made with Israel at Sinai the covenant they broke , though I chose them
what i hear you saying is Jesus came to fix us so we could obey Moses law but I could be wrong but that seems to be what I hear meaning what your sort of saying in your thinking but I could be wrong I’m not trying to judge you or anything just inderersnd what you really think
do you believe there are two covenants or just one that got an update ? Or do you think Jesus changes sinners so they can obey the law of Moses now ? I guess I don’t really understand exactly your position sometimes it sounds like one thing other times another but it’s probably how I’m reading it sometimes text is hard to fully grasp because of the lack of “emotion and observable tone “with the words were reading
In my opinion one cannot obey what Moses taught while obeying what Jesus taught Moses teaches contrary things we can’t feel free to divorce and remarry like Moses taught and then also not divorce and remarry or be adulterers like Jesus taught …..you see what I mean it’s not that Jesus adjusted Moses words he’s saying the contrary things at many points divorce and remarry as much as you feel like v no no don’t do that that’s adultery those thkngs aren’t the same they are totally contrary at every point
It’s because one is for the old sinner without the holy sporit and the other is for the one who’s being made holy unto God because they aren’t hard hearted sinners like those under the law were they are broken and contrite sinners who want redemption called Christian’s who are born in Christ by the things he said not what Moses said and that obey the things he said not what Moses said
you seem to have an issue with this part of what is being said but o could be way off the law eas good but it’s for before Christ came forth with life ….
I haven’t read this yet but I will when I’m back from church and yes your welcome I always try to reply if o think there’s some fruit possible for either me or they hopefully both sometimes I won’t because of health issues or just frustration I’d rather say nothing g than to keep on a path i know will lead me and possibly others to more carnality on a discussion when I notice my part I’ll usually end my participation
but I love peaceful discussion even if it’s from two perspectives as long as it doesn’t get personal I try to reply if I notice the notification I get frustrated by arguing and really have no more that I can think of sometimes I say a lot and then have no more useful
It’s never personal if I don’t reply I’m either frustrated inside and don’t want to argue in circles or I did t know you said something
thanks for the civility I really appreciate that because it doesn’t exhaust me like arguing and bickering
but I love peaceful discussion even if it’s from two perspectives as long as it doesn’t get personal I try to reply if I notice the notification I get frustrated by arguing and really have no more that I can think of sometimes I say a lot and then have no more useful
It’s never personal if I don’t reply I’m either frustrated inside and don’t want to argue in circles or I did t know you said something
thanks for the civility I really appreciate that because it doesn’t exhaust me like arguing and bickering
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Im not saying Moses law, for example Moses made a law for divorce, Yahshua said outright it should not have been so.
Matthew 19:8, "He said to them, “Because of the hardness of your hearts, Mosheh allowed you to put away your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. "
1 John 2:7, "Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning."
Genesis 26:5, “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my Laws.”
Abraham was well before Moses and yet it say he guarded YHWH's Laws.
So not I don't think Yahshua teaches Moses law but YHWH Law.
Matthew 19:8, "He said to them, “Because of the hardness of your hearts, Mosheh allowed you to put away your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. "
1 John 2:7, "Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning."
Genesis 26:5, “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my Laws.”
Abraham was well before Moses and yet it say he guarded YHWH's Laws.
So not I don't think Yahshua teaches Moses law but YHWH Law.
I feel the same, and we alll ge worked up at times and it's not beneficial for any of us, I think we all agree on a lot of core issues but have different perspectives and thus different ways of speaking and explaining, and I know I dont always word things well, I try to use a lot of Scripture and I think I need to explain my view a little better with said Scripture. Be well!
Hopefully my post to you before this one helps clarify my view a bit better also.
Hopefully my post to you before this one helps clarify my view a bit better also.
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Really ?
moses wrote this
“And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.”
Deuteronomy 19:21 KJV
“And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him; breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.”
Leviticus 24:19-20 KJV
“And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.”
Exodus 21:23-25 KJV
You’re telling me if Jesus didn’t obey Moses we’re all bound to hell ? Jesus quotes moses and teaches the opposite thing lol
“Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
Matthew 5:38-39 KJV
If we obey Moses and take revenge when someone harms us tha yes actually what’s going to lead us on TV wrong direction , Jesus obeyed the truth of God not a ministration of death hidden behind Moses veil here’s another example if we follow Moses word jesus says it makes us adulterers and adultery is a sin of death again if we obey this whicch Moses wrote
“And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?
And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. ( Jesus didn’t have a sinners hard heart)
And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.”
Mark 10:2-5, 11-12 KJV
To obey Moses word here would be adultery according to Jesus
“When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.”
Deuteronomy 24:1-2
How would it condemn us to hell if our lord didn’t keep words that we’re for these people ? Jesus wasn’t obeying Moses lol he was obeying God who was in him
God was who sayong “ you’ve heard what Moses said but I’m telling you this other thing “ moses “ get divorced if your unhappy and remarry “ Jesus “ if you get divorced for any reason other than adultery and remarry another your commitin adultery “
a Jesus word says of we obey Moses word there were adulterers the law eas for these people
“knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
1 Timothy 1:9-10 KJV
Jesus isn’t of that group jesusnos who was on the cloud they couldnt enter jesus is who ordained the angels to give the law to Moses and said he would come later speaking his own words….
We should really read what happened it’s wuote a clear story Jesus didn’t keep Moses words he didn’t stone adulterers John chapter 8 he didn’t cut the hands off of someone for touching a man’s privates in a fight like Moses commanded Jesus wasn’t a sinner and didn’t need to follow a law meant to condemn sinners Jesus didn’t need a command sayong “ you. We’re not kill anyone , you better not have any false gods “
wow this place has a lot of strange thoughts following Jesus and letting go of Moses law is the way it began with Jesus being filled with Gods spirit and obeying him throughout his life it had nothing to do with Moses law ….it was a law for sinners to condemn them Jesus just took the punishment ofnthe sinners because he had no sin the law has no authority over the lord he’s the creator of all things and by him all thkngs fonwost the law was only a temporary part of his eternal plans
moses wrote this
“And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.”
Deuteronomy 19:21 KJV
“And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him; breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.”
Leviticus 24:19-20 KJV
“And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.”
Exodus 21:23-25 KJV
You’re telling me if Jesus didn’t obey Moses we’re all bound to hell ? Jesus quotes moses and teaches the opposite thing lol
“Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
Matthew 5:38-39 KJV
If we obey Moses and take revenge when someone harms us tha yes actually what’s going to lead us on TV wrong direction , Jesus obeyed the truth of God not a ministration of death hidden behind Moses veil here’s another example if we follow Moses word jesus says it makes us adulterers and adultery is a sin of death again if we obey this whicch Moses wrote
“And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?
And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. ( Jesus didn’t have a sinners hard heart)
And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.”
Mark 10:2-5, 11-12 KJV
To obey Moses word here would be adultery according to Jesus
“When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.”
Deuteronomy 24:1-2
How would it condemn us to hell if our lord didn’t keep words that we’re for these people ? Jesus wasn’t obeying Moses lol he was obeying God who was in him
God was who sayong “ you’ve heard what Moses said but I’m telling you this other thing “ moses “ get divorced if your unhappy and remarry “ Jesus “ if you get divorced for any reason other than adultery and remarry another your commitin adultery “
a Jesus word says of we obey Moses word there were adulterers the law eas for these people
“knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
1 Timothy 1:9-10 KJV
Jesus isn’t of that group jesusnos who was on the cloud they couldnt enter jesus is who ordained the angels to give the law to Moses and said he would come later speaking his own words….
We should really read what happened it’s wuote a clear story Jesus didn’t keep Moses words he didn’t stone adulterers John chapter 8 he didn’t cut the hands off of someone for touching a man’s privates in a fight like Moses commanded Jesus wasn’t a sinner and didn’t need to follow a law meant to condemn sinners Jesus didn’t need a command sayong “ you. We’re not kill anyone , you better not have any false gods “
wow this place has a lot of strange thoughts following Jesus and letting go of Moses law is the way it began with Jesus being filled with Gods spirit and obeying him throughout his life it had nothing to do with Moses law ….it was a law for sinners to condemn them Jesus just took the punishment ofnthe sinners because he had no sin the law has no authority over the lord he’s the creator of all things and by him all thkngs fonwost the law was only a temporary part of his eternal plans
This really does clarify alot thank you brother for the patience
do you know YHWH is not an actual name but an unpronounceable Tetragrammaton because God hadn’t revealed his name yet ? And did you notice Gods reluctance to announce his name in the ot ?
But when you meet Jesus your hearing th e name of the father the son and Holy Ghost in one personage with one name ?
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
Colossians 2:9 KJV
But okay so you donindersdsnd when Moses law came the oreosthood was changed from melchezidek who was the preist over Abraham’s promise of Christ and th gospel and son th n the word is changed from what was before the law ? And you realize th laws authority ended when the lord came to speak himself ?
It seems like we’re more on the same page moses words and Jesus words are two seperate covenants the law is good and holy but it’s just not for the born again people the gospel is for us
do you know YHWH is not an actual name but an unpronounceable Tetragrammaton because God hadn’t revealed his name yet ? And did you notice Gods reluctance to announce his name in the ot ?
But when you meet Jesus your hearing th e name of the father the son and Holy Ghost in one personage with one name ?
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
Colossians 2:9 KJV
But okay so you donindersdsnd when Moses law came the oreosthood was changed from melchezidek who was the preist over Abraham’s promise of Christ and th gospel and son th n the word is changed from what was before the law ? And you realize th laws authority ended when the lord came to speak himself ?
It seems like we’re more on the same page moses words and Jesus words are two seperate covenants the law is good and holy but it’s just not for the born again people the gospel is for us
Thats how I feel 100%, YHWH says the Yahshua is the One to hear and obey, Peter quoted Deut 18:18-19 in Acts and those passages are 2 of my core foundational ideas for understanding.
Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”
Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”
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That's right.
False. Also, not funny either. Also, mischaracterizes Jesus.
Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples: 2“The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3So practice and observe everything they tell you.
Mischaracterizes the law.
Also mischaracterizes the law. And Moses.
"These people" are the Israelites; which God became one of them- born under the law to redeem those under the law.
More blasphemy.
“The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3So practice and observe everything they tell you.
Does that sound like "letting go of the law of Moses"?
Your "lawbreaking-jesus" is not a redeemer or messiah, and he doesn't exist.
False. Also, not funny either. Also, mischaracterizes Jesus.
Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples: 2“The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3So practice and observe everything they tell you.
Mischaracterizes the law.
Also mischaracterizes the law. And Moses.
"These people" are the Israelites; which God became one of them- born under the law to redeem those under the law.
More blasphemy.
“The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3So practice and observe everything they tell you.
Does that sound like "letting go of the law of Moses"?
Your "lawbreaking-jesus" is not a redeemer or messiah, and he doesn't exist.