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I must disagree here. one must remember mystery babylon will look like natural babylon.
Babylon was an organized religion who had certain characteristics. Mystery babylon will also be an organized religion with much of the same characteristics. Such as praying and worship of the "mother of God" Sacramental ablusion of sin. etc etc.
The gentiles will be rules by the man of sin. It is they who will destroy Babylon before the man of sin commits the abomination of desolation. Because before this. mystery Babylon supports the man of sin. After he does what he will do, they will realise who he realy is (because they have a knowledge of scripture, even though now they do not believe in it) so he must destroy them so they can not appose him . (at least this is the way I see it)
Babylon was an organized religion who had certain characteristics. Mystery babylon will also be an organized religion with much of the same characteristics. Such as praying and worship of the "mother of God" Sacramental ablusion of sin. etc etc.
The gentiles will be rules by the man of sin. It is they who will destroy Babylon before the man of sin commits the abomination of desolation. Because before this. mystery Babylon supports the man of sin. After he does what he will do, they will realise who he realy is (because they have a knowledge of scripture, even though now they do not believe in it) so he must destroy them so they can not appose him . (at least this is the way I see it)
BABYLONIAN talmud?
Made in BABYLON.
Has BABYLONIAN doctrine.
Goes WAY back.
Used by the first people to EVER turn from God (MOTHER system)
As close as you can possibly get to natural BABYLON friend.
P.S. Orthodox Judaism (spiritual descendants of the pharisees as they will happily admit) has a Moon goddess called 'shekinah' that they pray to.
Made in BABYLON.
Has BABYLONIAN doctrine.
Goes WAY back.
Used by the first people to EVER turn from God (MOTHER system)
As close as you can possibly get to natural BABYLON friend.
P.S. Orthodox Judaism (spiritual descendants of the pharisees as they will happily admit) has a Moon goddess called 'shekinah' that they pray to.
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Again. I can not believe this. Scripture will not allow me to.
1. The world will not mourn the loss of judaism or the jews. They will sing in praise that they were gone.
2. I have read the noahide laws. I see no sacramental (pagan) system.
3. These jews and there system do not make the merchants of this world wealthy by selling her goods.
4. This system does not sit on many waters (has worldwide scope where it affects every nation)
5. Jerusalem has three religions (judaism, christianity and islam) and is not one in scope.
I could go on and on.
Not to mention. Revelations speaks of God coming to the rescue of Jerusalem twice in these days. One time he comes and wipes out two great armies supernaturally.. The second (called Armageddon) he comes himself wiht his armies. and wipes out all the armies gathered outside Jerusalem.
It makes no sense to say God will have Jerusalem destroyed with fire. then twice come to her rescue when the armies of the world come to do the same.
1. The world will not mourn the loss of judaism or the jews. They will sing in praise that they were gone.
2. I have read the noahide laws. I see no sacramental (pagan) system.
3. These jews and there system do not make the merchants of this world wealthy by selling her goods.
4. This system does not sit on many waters (has worldwide scope where it affects every nation)
5. Jerusalem has three religions (judaism, christianity and islam) and is not one in scope.
I could go on and on.
Not to mention. Revelations speaks of God coming to the rescue of Jerusalem twice in these days. One time he comes and wipes out two great armies supernaturally.. The second (called Armageddon) he comes himself wiht his armies. and wipes out all the armies gathered outside Jerusalem.
It makes no sense to say God will have Jerusalem destroyed with fire. then twice come to her rescue when the armies of the world come to do the same.
Well, lets just take America as an example. Pretty much the entire church in the states is infested with Christian Zionism which places the state of israel (lower case i) and the "Jews" on a pedastal of such breathtaking altitude that it is pretty much an idol. So, for SURE they will be mourning.
A large percentage of the rest of America are "Jews", so obviously no singing songs of praise there, big time mourning.
Most of the rest dont care, and then you have the remnant of the Church (Israel with a big I) who wont be mourning but make up sucha tiny percentage of the Earths populace that their opinion is obviously not worth mentioning in Revelation with regard to the general state of mournfullness.
If you think other countries are vastly different from America then I'd like to hear about it.
A sacrament is a sacred rite recognized as of particular importance and significance right?
So you dont see the acceptance of certain religious laws in front of a religious court as a sacred rite?
You dont see cutting off peoples heads for their choice of god as pagan behaviour?
Talmudic Judaism has pretty much a stranglehold on the worlds finances.
You control the cash you control the worldly domain.
Jerusalem is the centre of Phariseeism.
You know, Rome isn't 100% Christian either!
Revelation is an extremely obscure and metaphorical book.
We know there is NEW Jerusalem.
We know Christians fight a SPIRITUAL battle only.
Jerusalem the city is not the Harlot alone. The people fornicate. They will be destroyed by fire, we dont care what happens to mud and brick.
Thanks for your time.
A large percentage of the rest of America are "Jews", so obviously no singing songs of praise there, big time mourning.
Most of the rest dont care, and then you have the remnant of the Church (Israel with a big I) who wont be mourning but make up sucha tiny percentage of the Earths populace that their opinion is obviously not worth mentioning in Revelation with regard to the general state of mournfullness.
If you think other countries are vastly different from America then I'd like to hear about it.
A sacrament is a sacred rite recognized as of particular importance and significance right?
So you dont see the acceptance of certain religious laws in front of a religious court as a sacred rite?
You dont see cutting off peoples heads for their choice of god as pagan behaviour?
Talmudic Judaism has pretty much a stranglehold on the worlds finances.
You control the cash you control the worldly domain.
Jerusalem is the centre of Phariseeism.
You know, Rome isn't 100% Christian either!
Revelation is an extremely obscure and metaphorical book.
We know there is NEW Jerusalem.
We know Christians fight a SPIRITUAL battle only.
Jerusalem the city is not the Harlot alone. The people fornicate. They will be destroyed by fire, we dont care what happens to mud and brick.
Thanks for your time.
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You have a pretty good grasp on the difference between the 'rock' and the 'stone"
I am shown, but the language is spiritual in nature, so I have to go back and ask God to show me how to share a witness of this hidden language.
The 'Rock' it self is a threefold covenant that cannot be moved. Our Father in Heaven, Jesus, and the one whom the covenant is formed with on a personal level; in this case it is Peter. But for that matter it could be you. Parable language speaks personally to each of us.
Now for the other half of the picture; We are living stones shaped by the hand of God. We are the Church Jesus spoke of when He said, "and upon this Rock I will build My Church. The Rock and the stone are part and whole of this parable language. So those who argue Rock, and those who argue stone, are both right, and they are both wrong. Let me know what you see. Don't stop now!
I am shown, but the language is spiritual in nature, so I have to go back and ask God to show me how to share a witness of this hidden language.
The 'Rock' it self is a threefold covenant that cannot be moved. Our Father in Heaven, Jesus, and the one whom the covenant is formed with on a personal level; in this case it is Peter. But for that matter it could be you. Parable language speaks personally to each of us.
Now for the other half of the picture; We are living stones shaped by the hand of God. We are the Church Jesus spoke of when He said, "and upon this Rock I will build My Church. The Rock and the stone are part and whole of this parable language. So those who argue Rock, and those who argue stone, are both right, and they are both wrong. Let me know what you see. Don't stop now!
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Yeah I think that all sounds alot better than...Jesus made Peter the first POPE with ultimate authority over the entire flock!
More covenant/stone language here:
(Genesis 31:44) Now therefore come thou, let us make a covenant, I and thou; and let it be for a witness between me and thee.
(Genesis 31:45) And Jacob took a stone, and set it up for a pillar.
(Genesis 31:46) And Jacob said unto his brethren, Gather stones; and they took stones, and made an heap: and they did eat there upon the heap.
(Genesis 31:47) And Laban called it Jegarsahadutha: but Jacob called it Galeed.
(Genesis 31:48) And Laban said, This heap is a witness between me and thee this day. Therefore was the name of it called Galeed;
Interesting.
More covenant/stone language here:
(Genesis 31:44) Now therefore come thou, let us make a covenant, I and thou; and let it be for a witness between me and thee.
(Genesis 31:45) And Jacob took a stone, and set it up for a pillar.
(Genesis 31:46) And Jacob said unto his brethren, Gather stones; and they took stones, and made an heap: and they did eat there upon the heap.
(Genesis 31:47) And Laban called it Jegarsahadutha: but Jacob called it Galeed.
(Genesis 31:48) And Laban said, This heap is a witness between me and thee this day. Therefore was the name of it called Galeed;
Interesting.
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The foundation needs to come first (Matthew 16;13 thru 18). This biblical foundation is a three fold covenant relationship between our Father in Heaven, Jesus, and you (speaking on a personal level). For understanding; verse 18 needs to be divided in two parts (the foundation (rock), and the church). Jesus applied Peter’s name to both parts.
I am shown where the point of contention is; because scholars have spoken of the foundation and the church as being the same; These two parts have specific purposes, that are not the same. They could not see the purpose of the construction; they did not ask the Carpenter's Son, they only saw Peter's name and the church. Because of this the religions of men argued over Peter being the rock. It is a useless argument that takes away the personal connection of both parts.
I am shown where the point of contention is; because scholars have spoken of the foundation and the church as being the same; These two parts have specific purposes, that are not the same. They could not see the purpose of the construction; they did not ask the Carpenter's Son, they only saw Peter's name and the church. Because of this the religions of men argued over Peter being the rock. It is a useless argument that takes away the personal connection of both parts.
Ah Peter the Rock... Well Jesus is the Cornerstone. The one WHERE ONE ALWAYS START TO BUILD A BUILDING!!! If you start not on the corner, you may end up with some of a stone overhanging...BAD BUILDING!...And if you start with a SCEW stone, you will build scew. So Jesus is the PERFECT LEVEL AND SQAURE CORNER STONE. The builder started well! Using a perfect cornerstone. But no use the corner stone is not on a SOLID foundaition, HIS APOSTLES AND PROPHETS. ALL WITH THE SAME SPIRIT (They were all LEVELED WITH THE SAME SPIRIT AND LEVEL...GOD'S. ( Peter1:21) ...But no use the FOUNDATION IS NOT ON A SOLID ROCK!!!!(Another APOSTLE ALSO LEVELLED with the SAME SPIRIT... ALL Apostles, prophets and Jesus had ONE SPIRIT IN COMMON...God's!!!
So the Rock, the Foundation, the Cornerstone and ALL THE REST OF THE BUILDING has ALL One COMMON SPIRIT, and ONE SPIRIT LEVEL... God's righteousness. From rock to roof...ALL GOD'S... A perfect BODY FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT!...
So the Rock, the Foundation, the Cornerstone and ALL THE REST OF THE BUILDING has ALL One COMMON SPIRIT, and ONE SPIRIT LEVEL... God's righteousness. From rock to roof...ALL GOD'S... A perfect BODY FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT!...