Is there a difference between being saved and salvation, and the new covenant?

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selahsays

selahsays

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selahsays said:
The old covenant consisted of keeping laws and periodic blood sacrifices. The new covenant is eternal in comparison because Jesus’ blood was shed once and for All people.

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

- Hebrews 10:1-18 (KJV)
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JacobMartinMertens said:
I don't know that I know what the new covenant is. I believe that it is for Israel though. I am not Israel. I am a Gentile.

There was keeping laws, yes. What do you mean by periodic blood sacrifices? I know that there are specific sacrifices, but some are personal and some are regular and some are at specific times. Personal has to be with the help or by Levites though?
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The new covenant is a brand new promise given by God to all who will believe in Jesus Christ and the sacrifice that He made so that we could have a permanent assurance of eternal life.
 
Dino246

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JacobMartinMertens said:
I have read the Bible. I do not call Matthew through Revelation the New Testament. The new covenant is for Israel. I remember Jesus brought the new covenant for Israel. I have been a Christian for about 38 years. I do not attend a local church. I do go to a synagogue. I don't know what you mean by a discipleship path. But I have been to Bible School.
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Mhmm.

With respect, somewhere along the way, you have been deceived.

A synagogue will not teach you how to maintain your relationship with God through Christ; it will teach you how to pretend to maintain your relationship with God through the Law.

As Paul wrote very clearly to the Galatians, if you want to relate to God through the Law, you must obey EVERY command... stoning adulterers, circumcising your male children (and yourself, if not done yet), and making animal sacrifices at the Temple. In case you missed the sarcasm, it is IMPOSSIBLE to follow the Law perfectly, which means you remain a sinner separated from God. As Paul wrote, "you have fallen from grace".
 
JacobMartinMertens

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Dino246 said:
Mhmm.

With respect, somewhere along the way, you have been deceived.

A synagogue will not teach you how to maintain your relationship with God through Christ; it will teach you how to pretend to maintain your relationship with God through the Law.

As Paul wrote very clearly to the Galatians, if you want to relate to God through the Law, you must obey EVERY command... stoning adulterers, circumcising your male children (and yourself, if not done yet), and making animal sacrifices at the Temple. In case you missed the sarcasm, it is IMPOSSIBLE to follow the Law perfectly, which means you remain a sinner separated from God. As Paul wrote, "you have fallen from grace".
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My understanding is that we are not to be sarcastic or use sarcasm.

I don't believe that I have been deceived. Different synagogues are different. Many refer to the Torah. Some refer to Jesus or Yeshua (His Hebrew name).

Many people say that basically that we observe or are to observe the commandments that we are able to observe. But I believe that Israel has a new covenant.
 
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In 2 Corinthians 3, Paul explains the new covenant to the gentile Corinthians.
 
JacobMartinMertens

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selahsays said:
In 2 Corinthians 3, Paul explains the new covenant to the gentile Corinthians.
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Here are the verses I know.

1 Corinthians 11:25 NASB20 - In the same way [He] also [took] the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink [it,] in remembrance of Me."

2 Corinthians 3:6 NASB20 - who also made us adequate [as] servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
 
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