Is there a difference between being saved and salvation, and the new covenant?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
JacobMartinMertens

JacobMartinMertens

Banned
#321
Sep 25, 2023
892
77
28
Washington State
#321
Mem said:
So, if Jesus' offering covers the sin of the world, then salvation comes to the world, and the world can be saved. I guess I'm trying to understand how you've come to separate salvation from being saved.
Click to expand...
I am saved. The question is if I have salvation.

Some people say I am saved, I am being saved, and I will be saved.

Perhaps that is better than I am being saved and I will be saved, but I am not sure.

Salvation involves justification, sanctification, and glorification, but I am not sure about this line either.

I don't know what you mean by the word covers. I don't remember that from the Bible.
 
T

timemeddler

Active member
#322
Jul 13, 2023
376
159
43
#322
JacobMartinMertens said:
I have been told that I have schizophrenia, but I don't believe it. My Rabbi said that he thinks I have a high functioning autism. But I don't believe that either.

I was talking with someone on another thread and he suggested that I make this thread. The Bible says to work out your salvation in fear and trembling. I want to make sure that I am saved.
Click to expand...
Rabbi? Don't they deny Jesus was the messiah?
 
Mem

Mem

Senior Member
#324
Sep 23, 2014
6,405
1,832
113
#324
I can only think that you might believe that you are saved for some other purpose, such as to serve the Israelites whose it is written, "salvation is of the Jews (John 4:22)"?
 
Mem

Mem

Senior Member
#327
Sep 23, 2014
6,405
1,832
113
#327
JacobMartinMertens said:
I don't know what you mean by the word covers. I don't remember that from the Bible.
Click to expand...
It meant to mean that it is applicable to not only Jews but to Gentiles also, the whole world.
 
Mem

Mem

Senior Member
#333
Sep 23, 2014
6,405
1,832
113
#333
JacobMartinMertens said:
I don't know what that means. I just doesn't sound nice.

However, what kingdom? And, are we at all supposed to recognize God or Jesus as Master?
Click to expand...
If we are in Christ, we are born of God, and are called sons of God. Jesus revealed the Father to us, that is how we recognize God.
 
JacobMartinMertens

JacobMartinMertens

Banned
#336
Sep 25, 2023
892
77
28
Washington State
#336
Mem said:
Is there any verse(s) in particular that you are thinking of?
Click to expand...
This might help you.

Romans 1:19-20 NASB20 - because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible [attributes, that is,] His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, being understood by what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
 
Mem

Mem

Senior Member
#337
Sep 23, 2014
6,405
1,832
113
#337
JacobMartinMertens said:
This might help you.

Romans 1:19-20 NASB20 - because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible [attributes, that is,] His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, being understood by what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
Click to expand...
What do you suppose are his visible attributes? Or are there none?
 
Mem

Mem

Senior Member
#339
Sep 23, 2014
6,405
1,832
113
#339
JacobMartinMertens said:
I have no idea. Maybe God has appeared to man. I don't know what it might mean apart from this however.
Click to expand...
Romans 1
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking and darkened in their foolish hearts. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images of mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

God has appeared to man, "and they knew Him not," they regarded Him as merely a mere mortal and exchanged His glory for images of mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles, even though His invisible attributes are inherent in Him, His eternal power and divine nature is embodied in Jesus.
 
JacobMartinMertens

JacobMartinMertens

Banned
#340
Sep 25, 2023
892
77
28
Washington State
#340
Mem said:
Romans 1
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking and darkened in their foolish hearts. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images of mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

God has appeared to man, "and they knew Him not," they regarded Him as merely a mere mortal and exchanged His glory for images of mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles, even though His invisible attributes are inherent in Him, His eternal power and divine nature is embodied in Jesus.
Click to expand...
No.

Did Yahveh appear to Abraham or Abram?

Etc...

I believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

John 17:5 NASB20 - "And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.