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They are written for our instruction, yes. But I don't believe Paul's argument is as you say. The reason I say this is because Paul is well aware of the difference between the covenants. He is likely simply using the example of the Jewish nation to more clearly make a point. That doesn't necessitate that he is equating every point.
So, you agree it teaches that a Christian who does not walk by faith is sinning and is not justified but "condemned".
Good.
So, again:
1. How do you square your understanding of Ro 8:1 with Ro 14:23? I've already provided my answer--one which is, to me, satisfactory and holistic.
2. On what grounds could you object to the simple and straightforward reading James 2 as teaching this selfsame thing--that your ongoing justification can be affected by your deeds, and that you must not only have faith but also walk in faith?
Good.
So, again:
1. How do you square your understanding of Ro 8:1 with Ro 14:23? I've already provided my answer--one which is, to me, satisfactory and holistic.
2. On what grounds could you object to the simple and straightforward reading James 2 as teaching this selfsame thing--that your ongoing justification can be affected by your deeds, and that you must not only have faith but also walk in faith?
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Excepting for the fact that that (ie, we can still fall under God's wrath and forfeit the promise after being "saved") is exactly what he is teaching:
1 Corinthians 9
27but I strictly discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.
Immediately after, 1 Co 10 follows.
1 Corinthians 9
27but I strictly discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.
Immediately after, 1 Co 10 follows.
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Lol what do you mean you don't agree?
You already said Ro 14:23 was...
1. I never said salvation was lost every time someone sinned.
However Scripture says we were saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved, so I hold to all three.
2. No I absolutely have not remained perfectly abiding in Christ, but God is faithful and righteous to forgive my sin and cleanse me of all unrighteousness.
You already said Ro 14:23 was...
1. I never said salvation was lost every time someone sinned.
However Scripture says we were saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved, so I hold to all three.
2. No I absolutely have not remained perfectly abiding in Christ, but God is faithful and righteous to forgive my sin and cleanse me of all unrighteousness.
Nope, because "whatever is not from faith is sin". Who is offended by man's sin? God.
The fact that the man is blessed when he does not bring condemnation on himself in what he approves is a different issue : one not becoming condemned for destroying his brother by practicing what he approves of for himself in front of his brother who is destroyed by what he approves. Simple.
The fact that the man is blessed when he does not bring condemnation on himself in what he approves is a different issue : one not becoming condemned for destroying his brother by practicing what he approves of for himself in front of his brother who is destroyed by what he approves. Simple.
Whatever is not from faith is "sin". Who is offended by man's sin? God.
The fact that the man is blessed when he does not bring condemnation on himself in what he approves is a different issue : one not becoming condemned for destroying his brother by practicing what he approves of for himself in front of his brother who is destroyed by what he approves. Simple.
The fact that the man is blessed when he does not bring condemnation on himself in what he approves is a different issue : one not becoming condemned for destroying his brother by practicing what he approves of for himself in front of his brother who is destroyed by what he approves. Simple.
Right.
That's what the quote by Wm R Newell I'd put in Post #52 (pg3) is pointing out... and what cv5 pointed out in his Post #106 (pg6--bottom line)... and I'm not sure if there were others who posted same...
IOW, one must understand the context surrounding v.23 (the verse under question by @romans113336 )
That's what the quote by Wm R Newell I'd put in Post #52 (pg3) is pointing out... and what cv5 pointed out in his Post #106 (pg6--bottom line)... and I'm not sure if there were others who posted same...
IOW, one must understand the context surrounding v.23 (the verse under question by @romans113336 )
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Whatever is not from faith is "sin".
Who is offended by man's sin? God.
The fact that the man is blessed when he does not bring condemnation on himself in what he approves is a different issue : one not becoming condemned for destroying his brother by practicing what he approves of for himself in front of his brother who is destroyed by what he approves. Simple.
Who is offended by man's sin? God.
The fact that the man is blessed when he does not bring condemnation on himself in what he approves is a different issue : one not becoming condemned for destroying his brother by practicing what he approves of for himself in front of his brother who is destroyed by what he approves. Simple.
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