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You may not have called RA names Ted01 but you were condescending in your manner!
As far as the"gotcha" thing? Someone made mention of it making the accusation and that he knew it well. I did not use the word except in jest after he brought it up. I'd have to go back to see who it was.
That was an individual like yourself who figured the purpose of the question was to trick or trap. There is nothing wrong with pointing out a fallacy or contradiction using a hypothetical example to make the point.
Interestingly enough we are faced with them everyday whether we like it or not.
As far as the"gotcha" thing? Someone made mention of it making the accusation and that he knew it well. I did not use the word except in jest after he brought it up. I'd have to go back to see who it was.
That was an individual like yourself who figured the purpose of the question was to trick or trap. There is nothing wrong with pointing out a fallacy or contradiction using a hypothetical example to make the point.
Interestingly enough we are faced with them everyday whether we like it or not.
Hmm... perhaps you're right about me being condescending towards @ResidentAlien is true? If so, I do apologize. I did not mean to be, but I have been that way in the past. Also, RA's post about people not liking hypotheticals were fearing being exposed, seemed condescending to me... thus the offense... but that might have triggered to be condescending back, which isn't acceptable.
So, I am sorry for that.
I still disagree about your view on the use of hypotheticals, in general. Three people so far, including yourself and four if we included myself, have indicated some previous understanding that hypotheticals are used to "trick or trap"... that should be sufficient evidence that they are indeed used that way. However, I don't believe that was your intent.
Also, (not meaning to be condescending) is it your role in life to point out things that you perceive as other people's fallacies? If so, and there's nothing necessarily wrong with that, you might want to use this experience in the future. The idea that some of us are sensitive to the use of hypotheticals. Just a thought...
So, I am sorry for that.
I still disagree about your view on the use of hypotheticals, in general. Three people so far, including yourself and four if we included myself, have indicated some previous understanding that hypotheticals are used to "trick or trap"... that should be sufficient evidence that they are indeed used that way. However, I don't believe that was your intent.
Also, (not meaning to be condescending) is it your role in life to point out things that you perceive as other people's fallacies? If so, and there's nothing necessarily wrong with that, you might want to use this experience in the future. The idea that some of us are sensitive to the use of hypotheticals. Just a thought...
You don't know either really well, but RA is through and through condescending to many and Ted rarely if ever is.
Look at these condescending statements that came from RA:
Well, all your histrionics aside
you failed comprehend my main point
people who avoid hypotheticals do so because they claim there are too many variables, so why bother. This is exactly what you did.
But this is just a convenient copout.
This is the typical response of someone who is afraid of hypotheticals.
Rather than simply answer, they have to change the question.
Do you not see any of that as being disrespectful?
What would you do if someone held a gun to your head?
That is a hypothetical. I cannot answer that question because I simply do not know what I would do in such a situation.
It has nothing to do with being afraid of hypotheticals, or me wanting
to change the question. Nor is it a cop out. I simply do not know.
Look at these condescending statements that came from RA:
Well, all your histrionics aside
you failed comprehend my main point
people who avoid hypotheticals do so because they claim there are too many variables, so why bother. This is exactly what you did.
But this is just a convenient copout.
This is the typical response of someone who is afraid of hypotheticals.
Rather than simply answer, they have to change the question.
Do you not see any of that as being disrespectful?
What would you do if someone held a gun to your head?
That is a hypothetical. I cannot answer that question because I simply do not know what I would do in such a situation.
It has nothing to do with being afraid of hypotheticals, or me wanting
to change the question. Nor is it a cop out. I simply do not know.
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I get what you are saying. I agreed that hypotheticals can be abused. I also explained that there is a time and place for them.
RA I believe was pointing out that some evade the question because they are afraid of being caught or shown they were wrong. Let's face it politicians deflect and avoid all the time when confronted. Saving face is important to many people.
And no, I do not see my role in life to point out fallacies. However, sometimes holding up the mirror by way of presenting a hypothetical example gets the message across. The person may not like the message and may even be accusatory and evasive.
Perhaps I need to be more blunt and direct.
Earlier I presented a similar scenario about a transgendered disclosing the fact she was transgendered.
The poster pretty much said he would feel the transgendered betrayed him, should be shown the door and he who tell everyone in the church what was going on.
I considered that very very harsh. Rather than say that in so many words I asked a what if question. A hypothetical. What if you were suffering a heart attack during the church service. Would you allow this same person you were vilifying to try and save your life?
That is not entrapment or a gotcha moment. That is gently trying to point out the fallacy or flaw in the reasoning.
RA I believe was pointing out that some evade the question because they are afraid of being caught or shown they were wrong. Let's face it politicians deflect and avoid all the time when confronted. Saving face is important to many people.
And no, I do not see my role in life to point out fallacies. However, sometimes holding up the mirror by way of presenting a hypothetical example gets the message across. The person may not like the message and may even be accusatory and evasive.
Perhaps I need to be more blunt and direct.
Earlier I presented a similar scenario about a transgendered disclosing the fact she was transgendered.
The poster pretty much said he would feel the transgendered betrayed him, should be shown the door and he who tell everyone in the church what was going on.
I considered that very very harsh. Rather than say that in so many words I asked a what if question. A hypothetical. What if you were suffering a heart attack during the church service. Would you allow this same person you were vilifying to try and save your life?
That is not entrapment or a gotcha moment. That is gently trying to point out the fallacy or flaw in the reasoning.
Yes.
I'm a loner who would like to pretend I am independent and don't need anybody's help, but deep down I know that this is just pride talking. Even Jesus was humble enough to let sinners draw water for him. Many of the prophets were supported by widows and such. God provides in mysterious ways.
I'm a loner who would like to pretend I am independent and don't need anybody's help, but deep down I know that this is just pride talking. Even Jesus was humble enough to let sinners draw water for him. Many of the prophets were supported by widows and such. God provides in mysterious ways.
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So they are both condescending. Fine! Then they should both apologize to each other.
You don't know what you would if someone were holding a gun to your head?
I know what I would do.
I'd be praying! 🙂
Hypotheticals can help diffuse a situation. You are faced with a hypothetical when deciding whether or not to buy life insurance or health insurance or home insurance.
Yes you are correct. I don't know Ted01 or ResidentAlien.
You don't know what you would if someone were holding a gun to your head?
I know what I would do.
I'd be praying! 🙂
Hypotheticals can help diffuse a situation. You are faced with a hypothetical when deciding whether or not to buy life insurance or health insurance or home insurance.
Yes you are correct. I don't know Ted01 or ResidentAlien.
No, I have no idea. I could faint or die of a heart attack before praying ever entered my mind as a stop gap.
I am not sure what you mean about hypotheticals diffusing a situation. Ted very thoroughly explained why
he does not care to answer hypotheticals and the other boiled it down to a failure to evaluate one's values,
calling it a cop out and fear of exposing their heart... which was totally disrespectful and also logically fallacious.
I am not sure what you mean about hypotheticals diffusing a situation. Ted very thoroughly explained why
he does not care to answer hypotheticals and the other boiled it down to a failure to evaluate one's values,
calling it a cop out and fear of exposing their heart... which was totally disrespectful and also logically fallacious.
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Magenta , I like you, I enjoy you when I'm on here. You have been very helpful. There is obviously some history between you and RA. Perhaps that is why you came to Ted01's defence and were rather strong with me regarding my comments to Ted01. Perhaps not. It doesn't matter. What I don't want to do is get into a quarrel with you about other personalities.
I've been here about a week. I'm not sure how much longer I will stick around. I'll see.
If I feel others are benefiting from my input that would be nice. If I feel I'm getting something back so much the better.
I've only had to report one user who had posted a most vile picture of our Lord. And I've seen a lot in my time. This one was truly despicable.
For the most part, I'm finding most of the posters pretty and conscientious in being respectful.
I'm hoping to keep it that way.
I've been here about a week. I'm not sure how much longer I will stick around. I'll see.
If I feel others are benefiting from my input that would be nice. If I feel I'm getting something back so much the better.
I've only had to report one user who had posted a most vile picture of our Lord. And I've seen a lot in my time. This one was truly despicable.
For the most part, I'm finding most of the posters pretty and conscientious in being respectful.
I'm hoping to keep it that way.
depends upon the attitude they are demanding this of me.
after all, i firmly Believe, those types of people [older (not children and teenagers) adults {20 & Up}] have some possession or mental disorder. i tend more to think possession. so, when they come in awareness of me, who is full of the Holy Spirit, you can detect attitude due to their Rebellion towards God, WHO, has given them over to a Reprobate Mind.
so, if i get attitude before i ever say my first words, i simply say to their demands, "the LORD Rebuke, You, Satan!"
and i turn and walk away.
When God has given someone over to a Reprobate Mind, you need to Cast the Possession Out. but not on a street corner, grocery store, public. you just Rebuke them and generally by rule, know, you will meet them again.
after all, i firmly Believe, those types of people [older (not children and teenagers) adults {20 & Up}] have some possession or mental disorder. i tend more to think possession. so, when they come in awareness of me, who is full of the Holy Spirit, you can detect attitude due to their Rebellion towards God, WHO, has given them over to a Reprobate Mind.
so, if i get attitude before i ever say my first words, i simply say to their demands, "the LORD Rebuke, You, Satan!"
and i turn and walk away.
When God has given someone over to a Reprobate Mind, you need to Cast the Possession Out. but not on a street corner, grocery store, public. you just Rebuke them and generally by rule, know, you will meet them again.
