Apostles and Prophets

[Abiding]

Originally Posted by zone

NOT YOUR JOB TO TELL CHRISTIANS ANYTHING!

you're a false prophet trying to usurp the Holy Spirit's Commission.
why do you TEMPT GOD this way?
why do you dance on the precipice of hell VW?

If you believe this, yet go around telling christians what they should and should not believe then you're in big trouble.

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Preaching the word...is a good thing

Speaking for God about another persons heart....is a bad thing


Preaching the word....we were told to do


Telling people they are void of spirit, not going to
the throne of grace, that they dont know God..............is a no-no, naughty, and just plain devilish


besides you do the same thing 4runner, so weird you take that coarse of logic.

 

[VW]

Actually, I am trying to keep you from judgment.

I can tell that you do not appreciate my efforts, which are done in the love of God.

 

[Abiding]

Actually, I am trying to keep you from judgment.

I can tell that you do not appreciate my efforts, which are done in the love of God.

Judgement for what vw...what efforts are you talking about?
the Love of God? you must be joking, your so called efforts have
done nothing for my eternal good cept maybe helping me
let patience have her perfect work!

 

[VW]

Judgement for what vw...what efforts are you talking about?

You have had many chances to hear.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You have had many chances to hear.

Hear what? what it is that God has revealed to you that can't be found in scripture that wre need to know about him??

I am still waiting. I have not heard. You said we need to know these things. but you wont tell us what they are.. why??

 

[AnandaHya]

Judgement for what vw...what efforts are you talking about?
the Love of God? you must be joking, your so called efforts have
done nothing for my eternal good cept maybe helping me
let patience have her perfect work!

he thinks everyone is going to hell unless they learn to "PASS THROUGH THE VEIL' and stand in the presence of God. He wrote a 7 posting thing about the subject

I believe that the personal relationship with God is done differently in different people with different tasks in this life but anyways....

you can read all VW's prophecies and posts here...

http://christianchat.com/search.php?searchid=179645

he even talks about how "i" create the world.

 

[Abiding]

You have had many chances to hear.

VW sorry dude i had my Holyspirit filters in...say again...

 

[AnandaHya]

one would hope that the "me" he talks about is the Holy Spirit, otherwise mmmmm yeah.....

"Do you trust Me? Have you given your life into My hands, to teach you and to lead you, to show you the Father, and His love? You have not trusted. I was given to you to live in you, yes, but not only this, but to make you alive in the Son and in His resurrection. I was given to you to bring you to the place which no man could enter, before the throne of the living God. I was given to you to show you the way, to speak to you the truth, to be the voice of Jesus in your heart.

I will not speak of My own initiative, but as I hear so do I speak. And the words I have for you, they are hard words to bear, but I am able to make you bear them. But you are unwilling.

It has been said in heaven of you that God would prepare the way before you, and that His glory would remain after you. I do these things, for those who trust in Me.

It has been said in heaven that if you lay hands on those who are sick that they would be healed. That if you eat any deadly thing that it will not harm you. That if you encounter serpents that you will be able to handle them. You can only do these things by trust in Me.

Did you not know that I am the gift of faith? What you lack I more than provide. Do you trust in Me?

Soon, the time of trusting will close, and you will be called to act, to take strength in Me and do as I lead you to do. But if you do not trust in Me now, in this time of peace and plenty, how will you know to walk in Me then? If you do not walk in Me, I will find others who will. Remember the parable of the workers in the vineyard. And remember that the Son knows you by my indwelling, and He speaks to you through Me."- posted by VW

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/21424-trust-me.html

 

[zone]

The fact that it is 3:30am, and I am braindead at the moment can you put this on an Elementary level? I mean I am a woman so I shouldnt be smarter than a man or something like that... k thanks.

LOLOL!............

 

[Red33]

You have had many chances to hear.

What if Christ decides to deal and judge first, the household of God in the manner that He rids and purges His church of all those who were self proclaimed or wrongly proclaimed as prophets of the church, who prophesied in His name that He never raised up and who spoke words from His mouth that He never gave. That alone would be a blessing and a judgment of mercy by ridding the church of all those that have hindered the word and work of God in the church through their unbelief, their falsehoods and their false doctrine. Jesus Christ decides that He is fed up with them all and gets rid of all of them because they do not edify the church nor build up His body that He has redeemed with His blood.

 

[AnandaHya]

changed my mind

 

[Abiding]

Man this prophet stuff has me tuckered.
I always thought the people killed the prophets.
boy did i have that backwards.

 

[Red33]

or we could love them and show them that they can still be productive members of the church without the title prophet and help them get rid of deceiving spirits, insecurity and the need to feel "special" in unbiblical ways by showing them how special it already is to be a child of God without any other titles and airs?

help them learn to play nice with others and show them what it truly means to be mature Christians by speaking from love and inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

help them realize that Jesus is enough and what it truly means to be a disciple of Christ by being doers of the word and not hearers only.

Hopefully, God won't have to do such a thing, if they repent of everything. Their seeming problem is that they do not listen to others that have the Spirit, the word and doctrine, being given by God through grace. So, when they do not listen to others that God has sent and raised up, they are rejecting God's provision of grace and they never grow up with the body in Christ as a member of the glorious church and remain in that same rut day in and day out.

 

[4runner]

Originally Posted by zone

NOT YOUR JOB TO TELL CHRISTIANS ANYTHING!

Originally Posted by 4runner

If you believe this, yet go around telling christians what they should and should not believe then you're in big trouble.

besides you do the same thing 4runner, so weird you take that coarse of logic.

But I didnt say we shouldnt she did.

Romans 2
1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?


She shouldnt tell other not to do something she herself does, but once again i see you are quick to defend her.


I didnt tell her not to tell people what they should or should not believe or do. What I said if she thinks others shouldnt be doing it, then she shouldnt do it either.

 

[4runner]

Actually, I am trying to keep you from judgment.

I can tell that you do not appreciate my efforts, which are done in the love of God.

God Bless you brother, I believe your motives are pure.

 

[zone]

Actually, I am trying to keep you from judgment.

I can tell that you do not appreciate my efforts, which are done in the love of God.

God Bless you brother, I believe your motives are pure.

 

[zone]

I didnt tell her not to tell people what they should or should not believe or do. What I said if she thinks others shouldnt be doing it, then she shouldnt do it either.

violent dominionists are not christians.

John 18:36
Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm."

Kingdom Theology - Al Dager
Introduction - Latter Rain Teaching - Jewel van der Merwe
The "Manifest Sons of God" Teaching - Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
A Gnostic Gospel? - Discernment Ministries Inc. Newletter, PDF
Covenantalism: A New Face for an Old Spirit - Al Dager
Kingdom Triumphalism-The 3rd Wave - Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
Who Has All Authority? - Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
The Cleansing For the Kingdom - Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
It's War, Spiritual War - Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
Joel's Army - Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
Joel's Army: Predator or Protein - His Word
Last Days Leaven-Part 1 - The Destroyed Foundations - The Word, Don Clasen
Last Days Leaven-Part2 - The History and Doctrines of the Latter Rain Movement, Don Clasen
Last Days Leaven-Part3 - The Doctrines of the New Order, Don Clasen
Last Days Leaven-Part 4 - Errors of the LR Movement Today, Toronto & WoF, Don Clasen
The True 'Former' and the 'Latter' Rain - Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
Anointing or Apostasy: The Latter Rain Legacy - Charles S. Graves, PDF format
Weighed and Found Wanting - Pastor Bill Randles, PDF format, Online book
Mending The Nets - Pastor Bill Randles, PDF format, This book is a must read!!!
What is a Third Day Church? - Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry
The Latter Rain Movement: Its Continuing Influence - R. K. McGregor Wright, Th.M., Ph.D.
Influence Links of the Third Wave Movement - Deception in the Church
Fivefold Ministry Makes a Comeback - Christian Research Institute, PDF file
Francis Frangipane - Another Good Example of the False Latter Rain Teaching on the Transferable Anointing - Sandy Simpson, Deception in the Church
Copeland's Prophecy "Jesus is no Longer the Only Begotten Son" and His Latter Rain Teaching - Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
G12 - The Government of G12 - Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
What We Need Is A Reverse Paradigm Shift! - Sandy Simpson, Deception in the Church
James Rutz Megashift: A Critical Review - Steve Muse
Manifested Sons of God - Jewel Grewe, Discernment Ministries Inc., PDF
Address to the Doctrinal Purity Commission - Carl E. Guiney
Joel's Army - 2nd Edition - Jewel Grewe, Discernment Ministries
The Dominion Mandate and the Christian Reconstruction Movement - Bob DeWaay, Critical Issues Commentary
Dominionism Exposed - Sandy Simpson, Deception in the Church, Apologetics Coordination Team
Dominionism and the Rise of Christian Imperialism - Sarah Leslie
A New Earth -- Now? - Jewel Grewe, March/April Newsletter, Discernment-Ministries Inc.
Unmasked... Colin Dye - Christian Witness Ministries
Kingdom Now Theology - Jan Markell, Olive Tree Ministries
The Global Transformation of Redeeming Cultures - Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
Joel's Army: The "New Breed" - Jewel Grewe, Discernment-Ministries, Inc.
Kingdom-Now "Prophets" Unite on 07/07/07 - Jackie Alnor, Apostasy Alert
Quantum Alchemy - Jackie Alnor, Apostasy Alert
Sherman Also Teaches Dominionism - Prof. Johan Malan, Middelburg, South Africa, Bible Guidance
Dominionism: The New Christian Facism? - Sandy Simpson, Deception in the Church
Pre Millennial And Post Millennial Doctrines Do Not Mix- Sandy Simpson, Deception in the Church
Let's Take Dominion Now! - Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
Are We to Take Dominion Over the Earth Today? - Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
Todd Bentley's Diabolical Signs - Jackie Alnor, Apostasy Alert
Todd Bentley or Jesus Christ - Bud Press, Christian Research Service
Todd Bentley “Meet the New thing- Same as the Old thing” - "Will We Get Fooled Again?" - Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
Todd Bentley - The New Simon Magus - Pastor Bill Randles, Believers in Grace Ministries
Todd Bentley Kicks 'Older Lady' with his 'Biker-Boot' - Bud Press, Christian Research Service
Todd Bentley/Fresh Fire Ministries Research Page- Bud Press, Christian Research Service
Todd Bentley: Miraculous Healings? - Allow the Bible to Decide - Bud Press, Christian Research Service
Are we seeing the Latter Rain that the book of Joel predicted?- Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
What Language Do You Speak? - Jewel Grewe, July/August Newsletter, Discernment Ministries
The Sickness Unto Death: Spiritual Drunkenness and False Revival - Pastor Bill Randles, Believers in Grace Ministries
Todd Bentley and the Hotel Fire in Seattle - Judgment From the 'Lord' or 'Accidental'? - Bud Press, Christian Research Service
Letter to Pastor David Jones - A Request For 'Angel Feather' - Bud Press, Christian Research Service
Many Believers in SA are Jumping on the Bandwagon of Dominionism - Prof. Johan Malan, Mossel Bay, RSA (Feb. 2010), Bible Guidance
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Todd Bentley: Preaching the Gospel 'Won't Win Souls' - Bud Press, Christian Research Service
Favoring the supernatural by ignoring the heresy- Endorsing William Branham- Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason
Not a Kingdom Now - Prof. Johan Malan, Mossel Bay, South Africa (April 2011), Bible Guidance​

 

[Abiding]

Christians may be particularly gifted in certain areas or called to ministries that others are not; but each of them is anointed by the same Spirit for the work of the ministry. The message of the New Testament is: different gifts, different callings, but one Spirit and one anointing. All Christians have the Holy Spirit, are anointed, and are a part of God's royal priesthood.

"If anyone says to you `Look, here is the anointed one, or here' do not believe him." - Jesus (Matthew 24:23 literal translation from the Greek).

 

[Cobus]

Me again...

The gifts.. NINE of them right? 1 Cor 12... Are all these gifts still in place today? For to one is given by the Spirit ...1. the word of wisdom; ...2. to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 1Co 12:9 To another 3. faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of 4. healing by the same Spirit; 1Co 12:10 To another the 5. working of miracles; to another 6. prophecy; to another 7. discerning of spirits; to another 8. divers kinds of tongues; to another the 9. interpretation of tongues:
Does the Spirit still bless with all these gifts, or only some?

Does the Spirit still conduct a gathering like in 1 Cor 14?
How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

1Co 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

1Co 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

1Co 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

1Co 14:30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

1Co 14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

1Co 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1Co 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

1Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

1Co 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

1Co 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

1Co 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.


1Co 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three,
These prophets in Corinth, two or three, who were they? Were they Jewish prohets? Or were they Corinthians (gentiles)? Were they prophets (inspired speakers) and what prophets spirits were subject to these prophets? Even the spiritual peopleof today should know and acknowledge that these things are COMMANDMENTS OF GOD!!!

Who does not acknowledge these things...NOT ME PLEASE LORD NOT ME!!!

 

[VW]

We know that in the last days there will be mockers, who ask, "Where is the promise of His coming?"

Seems we have those mockers right here.