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zone

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How do you know that I don't read the bible?

Oddly enough, I quote scripture almost all the time.

What you are doing is not scriptural. It is written that everyone who is led by the Holy Spirit is a child of God. Notice that it is not written that everyone who is led by the bible is a child of God.
like i said Beth.
Abiding has a cozy little house for cessationists (and apparently everybody else in the harlot church who doesn't accept this 'prophet's misinterpretation of LED OF THE SPIRIT. even though Abiding already exegeted it quite nicely).

cessationism is so cool because it's clean, and because it's Biblical.
we can just enjoy God's word, the apostle's doctrines, and pray and fellowship with each other and God.
zone
 

Elizabeth619

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Why do I get the feeling that people only know about God, and have never actually come to know Him.

God chose us from the beginning of creation that we be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ. Well, it seems to me that Jesus knew the Father.

I want to be like Jesus, and know the Father personally, and be able to hear Him and say what I hear Him saying, and to see Him and do as I see Him doing in heaven. Then I will know, beyond any doubt that I am doing His work, and speaking His words, and pleasing Him.

But some would rather take the bible and read and understand and with their own wisdom, and then run willy nilly, every which way, but don't let them hear from God, because they already know what He will say.

I see you have it all figured out. It's all about feelings, and little about God's Word.
From this point on I will go by my feelings and NOT by the Holy book.
 

Elizabeth619

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How do you know that I don't read the bible?

Oddly enough, I quote scripture almost all the time.

What you are doing is not scriptural. It is written that everyone who is led by the Holy Spirit is a child of God. Notice that it is not written that everyone who is led by the bible is a child of God.

Funny, I never even mentioned your name. Hmmmmmmmm
 

Elizabeth619

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like i said Beth.
Abiding has a cozy little house for cessationists (and apparently everybody else in the harlot church who doesn't accept this 'prophet's misinterpretation of LED OF THE SPIRIT. even though Abiding already exegeted it quite nicely).

cessationism is so cool because it's clean, and because it's Biblical.
we can just enjoy God's word, the apostle's doctrines, and pray and fellowship with each other and God.
zone

We need to throw a block party.
 

zone

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We need to throw a block party.
oooooooo A BLOCK PARTY FOR CESSATIONISTS!

loving it!:D

maybe after BBQ we can gather and read of those FANTASIC AND EXCITING ADVENTURES in The Acts of The Apostles?

i never get tired of reading how they laid the foundation for us and all the stuff they went through.

then when its dark we can lay on the grass and watch the stars...and meditate (ponder/think through/consider/muse upon) what we heard preached.

and praise the Creator.
WOW! yes!

Abiding? cool?
 
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AnandaHya

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i could respond but then it would be about "feelings" and not about God.

If one continues to state that others do not know God it places a stumbling blocking and really pisses me off because it is very condescending since they base their statements on their "feelings" and not through prayer and supplication to the Heavenly Father concerning the spiritual status of others and instead continues to insult and make bald face slanderous lies concerning others......

ok, i'm going to go back to reading my Bible and pray with Jesus.....

do no JUDGE others based on your own faulty sinful past and lack. just because you used to read the Bible and not pray with Jesus does not mean those who read the Bible and honor God's words does not have the Holy Spirit or a personal relationship with GOD. it does not mean that God does not reveal His truth or is not able to reveal HIS TRUTH to them without the "prophetic" voice of one claiming to speak for GOD but speaks HIS OWN "feelings" more then praying and asking God's advice and guidance.

:( ....going back to reading Hebrews

oh thanks Zone for the Dewaay sermons. they have been interesting. he is very detailed and verse by verse type of preacher isn't he? :)
 

Elizabeth619

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oooooooo A BLOCK PARTY FOR CESSATIONISTS!

loving it!:D

maybe after BBQ we can gather and read of those FANTASIC AND EXCITING ADVENTURES in The Acts of The Apostles?

i never get tired of reading how they laid the foundation for us and all the stuff they went through.

then when its dark we can lay on the grass and watch the stars...and meditate (ponder/think through/consider/muse upon) what we heard preached.

and praise the Creator.
WOW! yes!

Abiding? cool?
When I was in college one of my classes was ACTS. Interesting book.

I dont know why I felt the urge to share that bit of information. I think it is the allergy medicine talking.
 
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unclefester

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oooooooo A BLOCK PARTY FOR CESSATIONISTS!

loving it!:D

maybe after BBQ we can gather and read of those FANTASIC AND EXCITING ADVENTURES in The Acts of The Apostles?

i never get tired of reading how they laid the foundation for us and all the stuff they went through.

then when its dark we can lay on the grass and watch the stars...and meditate (ponder/think through/consider/muse upon) what we heard preached.

and praise the Creator.
WOW! yes!

Abiding? cool?

Count me in. I'll bring some Ruffles :)
 

VW

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Well, this is clear, I am the only one who speaks often against a biblical based faith. In other words, a faith that is based solely on scripture, and not on the Spirit's revelation, the Spirit's work in our hearts. Others do speak to this issue also, but not as often as I do. There is a very good reason for this. But I will not tell you, as I have posted it before.

Because I do not base my faith on the bible, this does not mean that I denigrate the bible, nor that I do not believe the bible. Whenever anyone says that I am dissing the bible I know that they have placed their faith in the written word, rather than in the word which lives in their heart. Or did you not know that God lives in you, for the express purpose of teaching you how to live, how to love, and creating in you the life of Jesus Christ His Son?

Well, I trust God who lives in me. I trust Him and I believe what He has inspired that is called scripture. I love His gifts, but I can tell the difference between the gift and the Giver. And I love the Giver much more than the gift, and because of this I am able to separate the Giver from the gift, and know the difference.

I know that many of the things we believe are not from God. But we suppose that they are, and never ask Him to show us.

It would do all of us a world of good to do so.

But don't believe me. (As I know you will not.) Just wait until you see Him with your eyes. It will cost you, very much.
 

VW

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i could respond but then it would be about "feelings" and not about God.

If one continues to state that others do not know God it places a stumbling blocking and really pisses me off because it is very condescending since they base their statements on their "feelings" and not through prayer and supplication to the Heavenly Father concerning the spiritual status of others and instead continues to insult and make bald face slanderous lies concerning others......

ok, i'm going to go back to reading my Bible and pray with Jesus.....

do no JUDGE others based on your own faulty sinful past and lack. just because you used to read the Bible and not pray with Jesus does not mean those who read the Bible and honor God's words does not have the Holy Spirit or a personal relationship with GOD. it does not mean that God does not reveal His truth or is not able to reveal HIS TRUTH to them without the "prophetic" voice of one claiming to speak for GOD but speaks HIS OWN "feelings" more then praying and asking God's advice and guidance.

:( ....going back to reading Hebrews

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oh thanks Zone for the Dewaay sermons. they have been interesting. he is very detailed and verse by verse type of preacher isn't he? :)
have never specifically said that someone does not know God. (Well, with a certain few exceptions.) But I have said that if all you know is the bible, then you do not know God.

I take offense at your language. Vulgarity is uncalled for.
 

Elizabeth619

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Alot of people like to look back at the bible for comfirmation in a way ya know. I get feelings all the time. I have had alot of them lately and God has done some wonderous things for me in the past month, but at the same time I STILL look back to the bible.

I mean, Satan likes to try ALOT on me too. As a matter of fact, Satan is pretty well telling me to say some pretty non Christian things right now....BUT I know the Jesus wouldn't like that. I read it in the bible. So.........anyway......allergy meds are kickin in and I still have a runny nose.
 

zone

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oh thanks Zone for the Dewaay sermons. they have been interesting. he is very detailed and verse by verse type of preacher isn't he? :)
you are welcome.
ya, he's cool. he came out of the prophetic movement.

did you see Chris has some new podcasts up?
get your duct tape and drinking straws....Patricia King goes on another Drunk in the Spirit Magical Mystery Tour.

(this is an old one...its the kundalini latter rain/new wine trash)

Patricia King - The Wine Cellar Of Heaven Is Open

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTqH813q2MY
 
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Abiding

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Likewise, Jesus said:

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits....
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'" (Matthew 7:15-16, 21-23).
In His sovereign wisdom and purpose, God has continued to permit the presence of such "wolves" in the sheepfold in order that, as the Apostle Paul stated, "those who are approved may be recognized among you" (I Corinthians 11:19). In Deuteronomy 13:3, we read that the purpose of false prophets among God's people is to test our loyalty to Him. Will we pass or fail this test? How can we as Bible-believing Christians be sure that we are not led away from the truth by these false teachers, whose purpose is to "shipwreck" our faith (II Timothy 2:17)? How can we be sure that what is being preached from our pulpits, or over the television or radio airwaves is the true Gospel of Christ and not a cleverly disguised counterfeit? The answer is quite simple, and, as always, is to be found exclusively in the pages of the Bible. As Paul exhorted:

"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of truth" (II Timothy 2:15).
The wording of the above verse in the 1611 King James Version is even more explicit: "Study to show thyself approved...." As did the ancient Bereans in the days of Paul's ministry (Acts 17:11), we are also to diligently "search the Scriptures daily" to see whether or not the things we are being taught are indeed true. Notice that we have not been told to run to the corner bookstore to search the latest "Christian" bestseller for the newest revelation from God. It is to the Bible alone that we are to turn for answers relating to our faith; it is the instruction of Scripture that we are to cherish above the opinions and fancies of men.

Unfortunately, false teachers and greedy charlatans have literally flooded the Evangelical media with their counterfeit "gospels" simply because most Christians today are no longer willing to study the Scriptures themselves, and prefer instead to let others do their thinking for them. As long as their ears are tickled, they will keep listening. Logical thinking is out; Experiencing Holyghost goosebumps is in.

In what can properly be viewed as "religious empiricism," the underlying message of modern Evangelicalism is that "if it feels good, believe it." Though such an attitude is mistaken as the exercise of faith, it is actually the unbelief of humanism in disguise. Indeed, the basic tenet of the existential belief system is that "man is the measure of all things," and that his own experiences are therefore both the origin and the validation of truth. However, the primary problem with this mystical approach to truth, which incidentally lies at the heart of the collective New Age impulse to "look within," is that experiential perception varies greatly from person to person, and cannot be either validated or falsified in and of itself. Therefore, since truth is supposedly derived from personal experience, then it too must be relative, thus rendering the very concept of truth itself indefinable and consequently utterly meaningless.

In John 18:38, Pilate sarcastically asked Jesus, "What is truth?" This seems to be the "rallying cry" of the entire human race as it flounders in the cesspool of relativism created by man's own stubborn narcissism. What is needed is an objective standard of truth that transcends human experience and, as a result, remains completely untouched by the relativism thereof. God has not left us to grope about blindly in the darkness, but has provided a source of illumination via the "light switch" of the Bible. However, this provision is accompanied by a grave responsibility on our part to properly interpret the Word of God and to honestly apply its teachings to every area of life. When we have fulfilled this responsibility, the Holy Spirit will in turn fulfill His by leading us "into all truth" (John 16:13).
 
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AnandaHya

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have never specifically said that someone does not know God. (Well, with a certain few exceptions.) But I have said that if all you know is the bible, then you do not know God.

I take offense at your language. Vulgarity is uncalled for.
I take offense to your high handed manner and condescending attitude.

When was I vulgar? now I have to reread my post. (is piss considered vulgar? that is the only word I can find that might qualify)

anyways I was going to bed but I don't go to bed mad so I decided to read my Bible and listen to some Spurgeon until I stop being mad. mmm might work better if I ignore comments from VW.


August 12

Morning

"The Lord reigneth, let the earth rejoice."
Psalm 97:1

Causes for disquietude there are none so long as this blessed sentence is true. On earth the Lord's power as readily controls the rage of the wicked as the rage of the sea; his love as easily refreshes the poor with mercy as the earth with showers. Majesty gleams in flashes of fire amid the tempest's horrors, and the glory of the Lord is seen in its grandeur in the fall of empires, and the crash of thrones. In all our conflicts and tribulations, we may behold the hand of the divine King.

"God is God; he sees and hears

All our troubles, all our tears.

Soul, forget not, 'mid thy pains,

God o'er all forever reigns."

In hell, evil spirits own, with misery, his undoubted supremacy. When permitted to roam abroad, it is with a chain at their heel; the bit is in the mouth of behemoth, and the hook in the jaws of leviathan. Death's darts are under the Lord's lock, and the grave's prisons have divine power as their warder. The terrible vengeance of the Judge of all the earth makes fiends cower down and tremble, even as dogs in the kennel fear the hunter's whip.

"Fear not death, nor Satan's thrusts,

God defends who in him trusts;

Soul, remember, in thy pains,

God o'er all forever reigns."

In heaven none doubt the sovereignty of the King Eternal, but all fall on their faces to do him homage. Angels are his courtiers, the redeemed his favourites, and all delight to serve him day and night. May we soon reach the city of the great King!

"For this life's long night of sadness

He will give us peace and gladness.

Soul, remember, in thy pains,

God o'er all forever reigns."
 
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Abiding

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I take offense to your high handed manner and condescending attitude.

When was I vulgar? now I have to reread my post. (is piss considered vulgar? that is the only word I can find that might qualify)

anyways I was going to bed but I don't go to bed mad so I decided to read my Bible and listen to some Spurgeon until I stop being mad. mmm might work better if I ignore comments from VW.


August 12

Morning

"The Lord reigneth, let the earth rejoice."
Psalm 97:1

Causes for disquietude there are none so long as this blessed sentence is true. On earth the Lord's power as readily controls the rage of the wicked as the rage of the sea; his love as easily refreshes the poor with mercy as the earth with showers. Majesty gleams in flashes of fire amid the tempest's horrors, and the glory of the Lord is seen in its grandeur in the fall of empires, and the crash of thrones. In all our conflicts and tribulations, we may behold the hand of the divine King.

"God is God; he sees and hears

All our troubles, all our tears.

Soul, forget not, 'mid thy pains,

God o'er all forever reigns."

In hell, evil spirits own, with misery, his undoubted supremacy. When permitted to roam abroad, it is with a chain at their heel; the bit is in the mouth of behemoth, and the hook in the jaws of leviathan. Death's darts are under the Lord's lock, and the grave's prisons have divine power as their warder. The terrible vengeance of the Judge of all the earth makes fiends cower down and tremble, even as dogs in the kennel fear the hunter's whip.

"Fear not death, nor Satan's thrusts,

God defends who in him trusts;

Soul, remember, in thy pains,

God o'er all forever reigns."

In heaven none doubt the sovereignty of the King Eternal, but all fall on their faces to do him homage. Angels are his courtiers, the redeemed his favourites, and all delight to serve him day and night. May we soon reach the city of the great King!

"For this life's long night of sadness

He will give us peace and gladness.

Soul, remember, in thy pains,

God o'er all forever reigns."

Rest well sis, we are sheepies, not robots. We have feelings. Peaceful rest to you :)
 
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AnandaHya

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I haz a feeling Ananda is upset. :(
slightly but with God's help I'll get over it :)

very unlikely the offending party will apologize so I'll seek the Lord instead.



His self justification will be "I never said you, i just directed my statements with quotes towards you. but that didn't mean you if you don't just base your beliefs on the bible then i obviously didn't mean you. why am i being persecuted it must be because i'm doing what God told me to do. that makes me more self righteous let me endure this suffering like a good little solider. oh thank God I'm not like that tax collector......"

ok i'm still mad.

sigh I guess that makes me human....

thought about deleting it but don't really feel like it.

maybe a few more bible verses and prayers and i won't be annoyed anymore.....

at least i'm not mad right now, just hurt and distrustful of certain individuals who will continue to speak without prayer and forethought.....

this is me ranting to myself by the way. its how I deal with things.....



see it says its ok to be angry but what is considered sin?

how do you not give place to the devil?

i'm going to the chatrooms and finding someone to talk to and pray with c u there if you online now ;)

hey I'm not annoyed anymore :) Praise God now all I have to do is figure out the answers to those questions and go to bed :)
 
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Consumed

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see it says its ok to be angry but what is considered sin?

how do you not give place to the devil?
If we incubate that which offends us it births vipers to bite back, our tongue is our worst enemy., by it we bless and curse and it should not be so. Letting go of what one has angered one with is the best thing to do. "forgive them Father they know not what they do" is the best way to deal with anyone. No good throwing petrol on a fire, never
goes out just boom enrages it more. Some would call it spirited debating but it's in what fruit of which spirit it's done by.