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Gideon300 said:
A vast amount of text to demonstrate nothing but your ignorance of the New Covenant when it comes to the sabbath and God's law. You mix grace with law and so end up in confusion. The writer to the Hebrews calls the Law the shadow. I choose to live in the light.
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A test If I may. And you don't have to answer. This is for you when you lay your head down at night.
Do you believe in loss of salvation? Do you believe that if we don't mix in the law, we were not really saved?
If yes to either one.....Your laying your head down in the shadows, and the above comment is very true for you.
The believer who knows how to be filled with the Spirit and knows how to walk in the Spirit.....Fulfills not only the OT laws, they fulfill all of the NT commands also. Do you know how to do this?
A vast amount of text to demonstrate nothing but your ignorance of the New Covenant when it comes to the sabbath and God's law. You mix grace with law and so end up in confusion. The writer to the Hebrews calls the Law the shadow. I choose to live in the light.
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A test If I may. And you don't have to answer. This is for you when you lay your head down at night.
Do you believe in loss of salvation? Do you believe that if we don't mix in the law, we were not really saved?
If yes to either one.....Your laying your head down in the shadows, and the above comment is very true for you.
The believer who knows how to be filled with the Spirit and knows how to walk in the Spirit.....Fulfills not only the OT laws, they fulfill all of the NT commands also. Do you know how to do this?
If I understand your implications, the killing and stealing that you mention here refers to the 10 Commandments, and further, that since killing and stealing is still wrong in the eyes of the Christian, the 10 C's still be in effect... is that right?
I think that it's a mistake to think that people, like me, who understand and believe that we are no longer under the old covenant and no longer walk according to the Law, would condone what God put forward in the 10 C's... or the bulk of the rest of the laws. I keep hearing people who are Sabbatarians, Torah Observance/Judaizers, and others of similar thinking, make this irrational correlation that if you don't think that the 10 Commandments are still in effect, then you must think that it's okay to kill, steal, covet, etc., etc.
Since God's nature hasn't changed, the way that we are to walk in Grace isn't much different that it was before the old covenant became obsolete. There is plenty in the New Testament writings that tell us that we saved unto good works, and we are to walk in the Spirit, that the laws of God are written on our hearts and minds... we have plenty of instructions on how to walk in obedience. So, we no longer need the task master of written laws when we have the Spirit of Truth living in us. And we believe this because Scripture supports it all very clearly.
I think that it's a mistake to think that people, like me, who understand and believe that we are no longer under the old covenant and no longer walk according to the Law, would condone what God put forward in the 10 C's... or the bulk of the rest of the laws. I keep hearing people who are Sabbatarians, Torah Observance/Judaizers, and others of similar thinking, make this irrational correlation that if you don't think that the 10 Commandments are still in effect, then you must think that it's okay to kill, steal, covet, etc., etc.
Since God's nature hasn't changed, the way that we are to walk in Grace isn't much different that it was before the old covenant became obsolete. There is plenty in the New Testament writings that tell us that we saved unto good works, and we are to walk in the Spirit, that the laws of God are written on our hearts and minds... we have plenty of instructions on how to walk in obedience. So, we no longer need the task master of written laws when we have the Spirit of Truth living in us. And we believe this because Scripture supports it all very clearly.
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All the laws pertaining to the various offering which sacrificed animals in order to "cover" the sins of the Israelites. They could never take away sin. But the Lamb of God -- Christ -- took away the sin of the world. And it is His blood which was shed for the remission (forgiveness) of sins. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission (of sins). Since God already saw the sacrifice of Christ as an accomplished fact long before it happened, He could forgive sins even before Christ was crucified. And Christ Himself forgave the sins of many.
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Amen. The Lord experienced death, which is a debt He did not owe. The blood of animals covered sins they did not owe but, even though they might have been spotless, they were not adequate to take away the sin of any man because the blood of an animal is not exactly equivalent of the blood of a spotless man. And the closest any other man can come to Christ is the self-sacrifice of laying down his life for his brothers, even if that causes him death, but his blood isn't able to remove their sins nor is he able to be raised from the death even for such a noble gesture, as in order to conquer death in that way, he must have been spotless. However, the sins of those that place their faith in the Lamb of God have been taken away and have been made spotless by His blood, which God had already judged would "take away the sin of the world."
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I agree
The blood of Jesus is the only source of forgiveness. By faith in Jesus alone we can stand Justified and righteous before God.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
If the law was made void in the life that Jesus lived, why did Paul say "God forbid: yea, we establish the law".
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual:
If the Ten Commandment law had been blotted out at the cross, would Paul have spoken in such glowing language of its perfection and spirituality? He did not speak of a past law. He said, “the law is holy ... the law is spiritual.” In other words, it was very much alive and operating when Paul wrote to the Roman church. In contrast, he described the handwriting of ordinances in the past tense: “was against us ... was contrary to us.” It is certain he was not speaking of the same law. One was present, and one was past.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
One IS and one WAS
The blood of Jesus is the only source of forgiveness. By faith in Jesus alone we can stand Justified and righteous before God.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
If the law was made void in the life that Jesus lived, why did Paul say "God forbid: yea, we establish the law".
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual:
If the Ten Commandment law had been blotted out at the cross, would Paul have spoken in such glowing language of its perfection and spirituality? He did not speak of a past law. He said, “the law is holy ... the law is spiritual.” In other words, it was very much alive and operating when Paul wrote to the Roman church. In contrast, he described the handwriting of ordinances in the past tense: “was against us ... was contrary to us.” It is certain he was not speaking of the same law. One was present, and one was past.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
One IS and one WAS
But why take the one commandment that God said to remember and make it void? Why can't all 10 of the commandments be kept?
I agree it is about having the law writen on the heart by the Spirit of God. It is about walking in the Spirit. God is clear that He GOD almighty made the seventh day holy and sanctified it at creation. He has never in any way changed this Holy day or removed it.
Walking in obedience is to obey His commandments and the Scriptures clearly teach that moral law of Ten commandments have not changed. God wrote them with His own finger... and they are called Ten commandments not 7 or 9 commandments.
We have all become one in Christ so being a Jew or Gentile means nothing.
Jas 2:10-12 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
1Co 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
I agree it is about having the law writen on the heart by the Spirit of God. It is about walking in the Spirit. God is clear that He GOD almighty made the seventh day holy and sanctified it at creation. He has never in any way changed this Holy day or removed it.
Walking in obedience is to obey His commandments and the Scriptures clearly teach that moral law of Ten commandments have not changed. God wrote them with His own finger... and they are called Ten commandments not 7 or 9 commandments.
We have all become one in Christ so being a Jew or Gentile means nothing.
Jas 2:10-12 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
1Co 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Exactly!
God's Word teaches the old covenant has been done away with because we now have a NEW covenant
Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
God's Word teaches that Christians are NOT following Moses as their high priest because now we have a NEW High Priest Who is Jesus Christ?
Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
God did away with the old covenant where Moses was the high priest and made a new Covenant where Jesus Christ is the High Priest and since the priesthood has been changed, there has been a change of the law from the law of Moses to the Law of Christ..
Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Those who try to keep the law of Moses are responsible for keeping ALL of the law of Moses and if they don’t keep all of the law, they are guilty of failing to keep the law. Christians are NOT called to keep the law of Moses... we are under the law of Christ now. (see - Galatians 6:2, 1 Corinthians 9:21, James 2:12, James 1:25, Romans 8:2, 2 Peter 1:4-10)
James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Nope, not only did Jesus not teach His followers to keep Saturday sabbath - none of the Apostles did either.
It's odd that the hebrew roots folks and the seventh day adventist folks claim one is not saved if they don't keep Saturday sabbath
They may be polite somewhat but they actually believe one goes to hell if they don't keep Saturday sabbath
But they cannot show where Jesus or His Apostles taught this. strange!
It's odd that the hebrew roots folks and the seventh day adventist folks claim one is not saved if they don't keep Saturday sabbath
They may be polite somewhat but they actually believe one goes to hell if they don't keep Saturday sabbath
But they cannot show where Jesus or His Apostles taught this. strange!
My answer is usually that I worship God each and every day!
And why would I want to just have one day holy unto the Lord when I can have all days holy unto the Lord!
I usually don't go too far with these guys since no matter what you say or show from scripture you are wrong in their view to not embrace hebrews roots or seventh day adventist
What's really scary about the seventh day adventist is all the false predictions made by their founder Ellen G White
One of them was she was claiming Jesus was going to return on a particular day! Strange indeed.
And why would I want to just have one day holy unto the Lord when I can have all days holy unto the Lord!
I usually don't go too far with these guys since no matter what you say or show from scripture you are wrong in their view to not embrace hebrews roots or seventh day adventist
What's really scary about the seventh day adventist is all the false predictions made by their founder Ellen G White
One of them was she was claiming Jesus was going to return on a particular day! Strange indeed.
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The Ten Commandment was against us. If not all of them, then at least one was, definitely. "You shall have no other gods before Me," I believe without going back to doublecheck is written in the singular as to each individual personally. And this is the root of our failure to keep any other subsequent ordinances. How do we establish it? By our agreement that we cannot, nor have, kept it and so need rescued from the sentence it administered toward us. As in a court of law, in establishing a fact, it is then a valid presentation that can be submitted to the presiding judge for consideration for our case that has the authority to afford us this ransom, that blots out the record of it. And since He knows it is indeed available, He would not, and I might even go so far to say could not, dismiss our claim to it. "It is not far from you; it is in your mouth...that if you confess..."Jesus is Lord."
This is exactly the law offered at Moab, apart from the law given at Sinai, which was the Ten Commandments, according to Deuteronomy 29 and 30. Those that were saved then, before Christ's advent, received that law. It provided one commandment that was to have no other god and disclosed the resultant terms either receiving or rejecting it, and I'd say much harsher for rejecting it than the terms of the Sinai covenant. The latter provided for blessing along with the curses, but former resulted in all the curses, that is the entirety of the latter, for rejecting it, or all the blessings, that is the entirety of those in the latter, for receiving it. And these are exactly the terms of the so-called New Covenant, as scripture tells us, "If you transgress in even the least of the law... you are guilty of all."
This is exactly the law offered at Moab, apart from the law given at Sinai, which was the Ten Commandments, according to Deuteronomy 29 and 30. Those that were saved then, before Christ's advent, received that law. It provided one commandment that was to have no other god and disclosed the resultant terms either receiving or rejecting it, and I'd say much harsher for rejecting it than the terms of the Sinai covenant. The latter provided for blessing along with the curses, but former resulted in all the curses, that is the entirety of the latter, for rejecting it, or all the blessings, that is the entirety of those in the latter, for receiving it. And these are exactly the terms of the so-called New Covenant, as scripture tells us, "If you transgress in even the least of the law... you are guilty of all."