What to do in church meetings Protestant Tradition v. Scripture

[Bob-Carabbio]

That is merely an assumption. You did not grown up with apostles and prophets, but evangelists, pastors, and teachers. There are only twelve apostles of the Lamb, and all were eye-witnesses of the resurrected Christ (Paul included).

Standard Cessationist rhetoric!!!! By all means deny the continued ability / willingness of God to gift, and speak through His people.

 

[Nehemiah6]

You are mistaken:

Not if you go by the History of the Christian Church. Schaff explains Ireneaus and Tertullian's words:
"We do not know how long the glossolalia, as thus described by Paul, continued. It passed away gradually with the other extraordinary or strictly supernatural gifts of the apostolic age. It is not mentioned in the Pastoral, nor in the Catholic Epistles.

We have but a few allusions to it at the close of the second century. Irenaeus (Adv. Haer. 1. v. c. 6, § 1) speaks of “many brethren” whom he heard in the church having the gift of prophecy and of speaking in “diverse tongues” ,bringing the hidden things of men to light and expounding the mysteries of God . It is not clear whether by the term “diverse,” which does not elsewhere occur, he means a speaking in foreign languages, or in diversities of tongues altogether peculiar, like those meant by Paul. The latter is more probable. Irenaeus himself had to learn the language of Gaul.

Tertullian (Adv. Marc. V. 8; comp. De Anima, c. 9) obscurely speaks of the spiritual gifts, including the gift of tongues, as being still manifest among the Montanists to whom he belonged. [Montanism was heretical. "It also became clear that the claim of Montanus to have the final revelation of the Holy Spirit implied that something could be added to the teaching of Christ and the Apostles and that, therefore, the church had to accept a fuller revelation." Britannica]

At the time of Chrysostom it had entirely disappeared; at least he accounts for the obscurity of the gift from our ignorance of the fact. From that time on the glossolalia was usually misunderstood as a miraculous and permanent gift of foreign languages for missionary purposes. But the whole history of missions furnishes no clear example of such a gift for such a purpose.

Analogous phenomena, of an inferior kind, and not miraculous, yet serving as illustrations, either by approximation or as counterfeits, reappeared from time to time in seasons of special religious excitement, as among the Camisards and the prophets of the Cevennes in France, among the early Quakers and Methodists, the Mormons, the Readers (“Läsare”) in Sweden in 1841 to 1843, in the Irish revivals of 1859, and especially in the “Catholic Apostolic Church,” commonly called Irvingites, from 1831 to 1833, and even to this day.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Standard Cessationist rhetoric!!!! By all means deny the continued ability / willingness of God to gift, and speak through His people.

I am still waiting for you and Marilyn (or others) to give us CONCRETE examples of apostles and prophets today. Names, dates, prophecies, and whether they are simply rehashes of what is already in the Bible, or genuine revelations.

Accusing Cessationists but failing to prove your point means that you have no evidence.
But we have our evidence, and it is the COMPLETE Word of God, with the apostles and prophets within its pages. If you cannot be satisfied with this, then you are the one with a problem. We do not need new revelations, since God has given us all that we need. And the apostle-prophet John made that abundantly clear, while Paul said that prophecies would indeed cease.

 

[Inquisitor]

You will not find a verse that says "this is about the Bible". So you have to "connect the dots".

Peter said We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (2 Peter 1:19-21).

Please note the following:
1. "We have a more sure word of prophecy." This is in relation to the written Word of God. Peter puts his own, and all the apostles writings into the same category as "prophecy of the Scripture", and tells us that absolutely all the writers of the OT (called "Scripture" here) wrote under divine inspiration ("moved by the Holy Ghost").

2. Then Peter equates ALL of Paul's epistles with the OT Scriptures: And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:15,16)

3. Then Paul (before Peter) said this: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (2 Tim 3:16). Which implies a complete Bible.

4. Then John said this in the last chapter of the last book of the NT: For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: (Rev 22:18) Was John speaking solely about Revelation, or was he applying this to the whole Bible, since he knew that all the apostles had passed on and he was the last one? the Bible closed with Revelation around 95-96 AD. Was it complete? Absolutely.

So did Paul's prophecy regarding the cessation of all prophecies come to pass? Absolutely. Therefore Paul was careful to say: But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away (1 Cor 13:10). Notice that he did not say "He who is perfect" but "that which is perfect". And the incomplete Bible ("that which is in part") was replaced with a complete Bible ("that which is complete")

Could that verse have also be stated as "that which is complete"? Absolutely.
Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
οταν δε ελθη το τελειον τοτε το εκ μερους καταργηθησεται
Strong's Concordance
teleios: having reached its end, i.e. complete, by ext. perfect
Original Word: τέλειος, α, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: teleios
Phonetic Spelling: (tel'-i-os)
Definition: having reached its end, complete, perfect
Usage: perfect, (a) complete in all its parts, (b) full grown, of full age, (c) specially of the completeness of Christian character.

The verses below verse 10 do not relate to the Bible, but to the perfection of the Christian. When we see God and Christ face-to-face after the Resurrection/Rapture, we all will be perfect and glorified. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. (1 Cor 13:12)

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us
who are being saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 2:5
So that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of mankind, but on the power of God.

1 Corinthians 4:19
But I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I shall find out, not the words
of those who are arrogant, but their power.

1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God is not in words, but in power.

 

[Inquisitor]

Not if you go by the History of the Christian Church. Schaff explains Ireneaus and Tertullian's words:
"We do not know how long the glossolalia, as thus described by Paul, continued. It passed away gradually with the other extraordinary or strictly supernatural gifts of the apostolic age. It is not mentioned in the Pastoral, nor in the Catholic Epistles.

We have but a few allusions to it at the close of the second century. Irenaeus (Adv. Haer. 1. v. c. 6, § 1) speaks of “many brethren” whom he heard in the church having the gift of prophecy and of speaking in “diverse tongues” ,bringing the hidden things of men to light and expounding the mysteries of God . It is not clear whether by the term “diverse,” which does not elsewhere occur, he means a speaking in foreign languages, or in diversities of tongues altogether peculiar, like those meant by Paul. The latter is more probable. Irenaeus himself had to learn the language of Gaul.

Tertullian (Adv. Marc. V. 8; comp. De Anima, c. 9) obscurely speaks of the spiritual gifts, including the gift of tongues, as being still manifest among the Montanists to whom he belonged. [Montanism was heretical. "It also became clear that the claim of Montanus to have the final revelation of the Holy Spirit implied that something could be added to the teaching of Christ and the Apostles and that, therefore, the church had to accept a fuller revelation." Britannica]

At the time of Chrysostom it had entirely disappeared; at least he accounts for the obscurity of the gift from our ignorance of the fact. From that time on the glossolalia was usually misunderstood as a miraculous and permanent gift of foreign languages for missionary purposes. But the whole history of missions furnishes no clear example of such a gift for such a purpose.

Analogous phenomena, of an inferior kind, and not miraculous, yet serving as illustrations, either by approximation or as counterfeits, reappeared from time to time in seasons of special religious excitement, as among the Camisards and the prophets of the Cevennes in France, among the early Quakers and Methodists, the Mormons, the Readers (“Läsare”) in Sweden in 1841 to 1843, in the Irish revivals of 1859, and especially in the “Catholic Apostolic Church,” commonly called Irvingites, from 1831 to 1833, and even to this day.

Acts 20:29
I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you,
not sparing the flock.

Christian history is the decline of the activity of the Holy Spirit and the
power of the Holy Spirit.