Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[Genez]

The sins of the world are forgiven, but many will go to hell just for being a putz.

NO one goes to hell for their sins. The Cross wiped that issue off the books.

For the true issue in salvation has to do with their relationship with God.

Jesus said this one work (not works) saves. John 6:28-29

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Then they said to Him, ​

“What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” (religious system = plurality)​

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Jesus answered and said to them, ​

“This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” (one act of faith)​

All unbelievers will be evaluated and condemned... not according to their sins.
But from the failure to find that one single work Jesus said saves!

For all their works will be searched through, and no believing in the Son will be found!

Revelation 20:12​

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And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. ​

And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged ​

according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. ​

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One work will not be found. ​

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Jesus answered and said to them, ​

“This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”​

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Some can not understand what the term works implied in the days the NT was written.
Many Jews were brainwashed by the pharisees to think one could do good deeds to win a ticket to heaven.
Those good deeds was a list of works....

Calvinists have turned the concept of any work being anathema.

Welcome to the insanity......

 

[homwardbound]

Drawing people to see to believe is the choice for all to make. Whether or not all will choose to believe, no one knows.
Yet God remains giving this free choice to choose to all. This way no one is a puppet in God's love and mercy ever in truth, thank you
Will all choose to believe God, all are called to choose to or not in the risen Son for everyone
At least this be what I now see after a long walk off a short pier. under Law to see the fine line in love and liberty given us all by God through Son.

 

[homwardbound]

Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

1. Galatians 3:19
   Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. Galatians 3:20
   Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

 

[Genez]

Drawing people to see to believe is the choice for all to make. Whether or not all will choose to believe, no one knows.
Yet God remains giving this free choice to choose to all. This way no one is a puppet in God's love and mercy ever in truth, thank you
Will all choose to believe God, all are called to choose to or not in the risen Son for everyone
At least this be what I now see after a long walk off a short pier. under Law to see the fine line in love and liberty given us all by God through Son.

Yes....

Even the most reprobate, despicable, low down, kind of person was drawn by God, for as far as God can draw them!

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the ​

godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth ​

by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain ​

to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the ​

creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power ​

and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood ​

from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God ​

nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and ​

their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to ​

be wise, they became fools​

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Romans 1:18-22​

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[studier]

The sins of the world are forgiven, but many will go to hell just for being a putz.

That word has entered my mind for use many times during this thread. Nicely used.

 

[Mem]

Yes....

Even the most reprobate, despicable, low down, kind of person was drawn by God, for as far as God can draw them!

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The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the ​

godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth ​

by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain ​

to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the ​

creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power ​

and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood ​

from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.​

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For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God ​

nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and ​

their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to ​

be wise, they became fools​

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Romans 1:18-22​

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Their sins have been forgiven them, so they have no excuse for not glorifying God. No one can say, "I'm going to hell because Jesus did not die for my sins."

Rather, it is a valid claim that they will not see eternal life because they did not believe in the Door to it.

 

[Mem]

This is the reason I believe that those that don't find the Door, will just die, as opposed to dying in Christ and being born into the, that is God's eternal, kingdom.

 

[Rufus]

Christ offered Salvation to all, even Judas. But only those who accept His offer of Salvation by their own free will in response to His Grace will actually be saved. One can choose to go to Hell by rejecting Grace. Or one can accept Grace and be saved.

But if Limited Atonement were true, then if Christ didn't die for you, there's actually nothing you can do about the fact that God positively predestined you to Eternal Torture in Hell when He created you, and He passed over dying for you on the Cross. Is that the God of the Bible, a God of Infinite Love? No, it is man's creation. Just imagine the torture you would feel if you knew Christ didn't die for you. And what applies to you applies to everyone. Christ died for everyone and made the salvation of everyone who wants to accept His offer possible. Therefore, if any refuse to be saved, it is their fault, not God's. But Limited Atonement comes close to making it out to be God's fault that people go to Hell, because God never gave them the chance/opportunity/possibility to be saved. It is a false doctrine and many Bible passages clearly teach against it.

But Man's will isn't free. It's only free to act in accordance with its vile, wicked, sinful nature.. For it to be truly free, it would also have to be free FROM the bondage of sin, the world, the flesh and devil.

Also, answer this question, please: Since you claim that Christ died for all mankind in the distributive sense as the Spotless Lamb of God who sacrificed himself on behalf, then why, as their High Priest, did he explicitly omit the world, in his prayer to his Father, for whom he allegedly died in John 17?

 

[Rufus]

Their sins have been forgiven them, so they have no excuse for not glorifying God. No one can say, "I'm going to hell because Jesus did not die for my sins."

Rather, it is a valid claim that they will not see eternal life because they did not believe in the Door to it.

Of course not. People will go to hell because they know they are guilty sinners. Even Judas knew he was guilty!

And, yes, it is a valid claim that they won't see eternal life because they did not want to believe; therefore, how could they believe? They hate spiritual knowledge and wisdom and Love the Darkness and Death, instead.

Love and Hate are the two most powerful emotions in the universe. God knows this. This is why he promised in his New Covenant to unconditionally give his chosen, covenant people a new heart

 

[Rufus]

I have a question for all NR who are quick to distort, twist and pervert the true Gospel: It has to do with this passage:

Gal 4:4-7
4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!" 7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.
ESV

So...Jesus as a Jew -- a member of God's chosen, covenant nation, was born under the Mosaic Law Covenant -- and the text further says that he came to redeem those were were under the very same Law that He was. Therefore, Christ's redemption was limited to strictly God's chosen, covenant people -- just as the New Covenant was made strictly with God's chosen, covenant people, i.e. with the house of Israel and the house of Judah (Jer 31:31). Explain to me, please, how Christ's narrow purpose of Redemption and the Father's equally limited scope of his intended recipients of his New Covenant promises translate into universal atonement in the distributive sense.

And please spare us all of your "proof texts" that you allege teach universal atonement without reconciling the two contradictions your interpretations would impose upon the two passages above.

Hint: Read Gal 4:4-7 very, very carefully and slowly. When the Father sent"the Spirit of His Son into our our hearts", was Paul alluding to a NC promise of the Spirit he would put into his covenant people? Or of the new heart that he would give his NC people? And did the "Spirit of his Son" just happen to also have the "Spirit of the Lord resting upon him -- the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and power, the Spirit of knowledge and the Fear of the Lord" (Isa 11:1-2) -- you know the "Fear of the Lord" that just happens to be the beginning of Wisdom and Knowledge? And when someone cries out, "Abba Father", such an affectionate, familial phrase would surely speak to a True Knowledge of the Holy One, wouldn't it (Prov 9:10)? And it would even to the promise of God that ALL HIS people would KNOW him (Jer 31:21-34). And what is knowing God if not being raised from the dead and being made alive unto Him (Jn 17:3)?