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know1

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Cameron143 said:
Hmmmm....so, you lack love and discernment. I guess your response is righteous anger, and you are the arm of the Lord?
Perhaps, rather than acting so hostile, you might learn to receive correction. Jesus was meek and lowly of heart. Learn of Him.
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Frankly, I am not interested and pacifying anyone's fickle and petty feelings, and that includes yours.
You can't argue your point scripturally, so you have to try to put somebody on the defensive by pretending to be offended, just so you could win an argument, and deflect at the same time.
I came on cc to argue my point with scripture, but you have to make it about your feelings.
Let's get back to what this all started out from. How could I say that I demand healing from God? And from your point, why it would be wrong. And to do so with scripture. That would be nice.
 
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Cameron143

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know1 said:
Frankly, I am not interested and pacifying anyone's fickle and petty feelings, and that includes yours.
You can't argue your point scripturally, so you have to try to put somebody on the defensive by pretending to be offended, just so you could win an argument, and deflect at the same time.
I came on cc to argue my point with scripture, but you have to make it about your feelings.
Let's get back to what this all started out from. How could I say that I demand healing from God? And from your point, why it would be wrong. And to do so with scripture. That would be nice.
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I'm not offended. Just because you are offensive doesn't mean I have to take offense. If you believe God has helped you I think that's great. But God didn't help you because you demanded it of Him. God isn't beholden to anyone. It would have been an exercise of His grace, if, in fact, He did. In other words, He exercised grace in spite of your actions, and not because of them.
 
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know1 said:
We are not in agreement and I reject your words.
I'm not the one who needs healing, but it is you who is in desperate need, because you're curse goes back on you, in the name of Jesus.
Only a witch or warlock, posing as a child of God, would say such a thing, knowing full well, I never said anything of the sort.
It is written, suffer not the witch to live.
And as is sent against me, the same return into the gut and bones of the sender, in the name of Jesus.
As sickness is sent against me, so the same return to the sender with power and authority. And as death was sent against me by another warlock, the same returned to him.
There's nothing good in a witch, as they cannot bless others, but only seek to steal, kill, and destroy the same, for as the spirit is in them, so are they.
So no amount of prayer and fasting will help you, who is the one in desperate need of healing.
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Actually, I am still wondering about that idiotic post you wrote about the M&M's.
(Post # 177)

Very disrespectful. It was almost like you were on drugs at the time you wrote it. Absolutely made no sense whatsoever.

Curse me all that you want but know that God's angels protect me.

I really don't care what you think about me. Doesn't bother me at all.

Spiritually, your perceptions are way off the mark.

OK, we are done here. Time to move forward in my life and not waste my precious time responding to someone with hostile perceptions.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I'm not offended. Just because you are offensive doesn't mean I have to take offense. If you believe God has helped you I think that's great. But God didn't help you because you demanded it of Him. God isn't beholden to anyone. It would have been an exercise of His grace, if, in fact, He did. In other words, He exercised grace in spite of your actions, and not because of them.
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Okay, I understand where you're coming from, as I too used to believe that way, and I did not get any prayers answered. And the reason for that was because I didn't know what God was going to do.
I found out after, you can't have faith in God if you don't know what he's doing to do, due to uncertainties. One of them being, is it his will or not?
I too believe it is by God's grace that he answers my demands, but for different reasons than what you believe.
I ask, how can you have faith in God if you don't know what he's going to do, or what his will is?
Your faith therefore is reduced to nothing more than hoping, wishing, and wondering.
God will not answer those kind of prayers, because they are not of or in faith.
The other part of this has to do with the word of God, or more in particular, the promises of God.
It is written that everything created was done so by the word of God, as well as, we are born again by the same, and that the same said word is the power of God. It is also written that Jesus himself is the living word of God.
And again it is also written that we are to follow jesus's example, and one of the things he did was he spoke the word of God in faith to the problem.
Which is what I do.
So I'm not speaking to God demanding he do this or that, but to the situation, circumstance, or problem.
So in the sense that I send God's word at a particular problem, and since the word of God is God, actually it is an offspring of God, in that sense, I am telling God what to do.
So basically I'm just demanding the situation to line up with the word of God.
So if it's sickness, I speak to said sickness, commanding it to leave in the name of Jesus and line up with the word of God.
I do a lot more than that but that's the gist of it.
 
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tourist said:
Actually, I am still wondering about that idiotic post you wrote about the M&M's.
(Post # 177)

Very disrespectful. It was almost like you were on drugs at the time you wrote it. Absolutely made no sense whatsoever.

Curse me all that you want but know that God's angels protect me.

I really don't care what you think about me. Doesn't bother me at all.

Spiritually, your perceptions are way off the mark.

OK, we are done here. Time to move forward in my life and not waste my precious time responding to someone with hostile perceptions.
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I don't curse anybody. If no curse was sent, then no curse will return. It's that simple.
 
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know1 said:
Okay, I understand where you're coming from, as I too used to believe that way, and I did not get any prayers answered. And the reason for that was because I didn't know what God was going to do.
I found out after, you can't have faith in God if you don't know what he's doing to do, due to uncertainties. One of them being, is it his will or not?
I too believe it is by God's grace that he answers my demands, but for different reasons than what you believe.
I ask, how can you have faith in God if you don't know what he's going to do, or what his will is?
Your faith therefore is reduced to nothing more than hoping, wishing, and wondering.
God will not answer those kind of prayers, because they are not of or in faith.
The other part of this has to do with the word of God, or more in particular, the promises of God.
It is written that everything created was done so by the word of God, as well as, we are born again by the same, and that the same said word is the power of God. It is also written that Jesus himself is the living word of God.
And again it is also written that we are to follow jesus's example, and one of the things he did was he spoke the word of God in faith to the problem.
Which is what I do.
So I'm not speaking to God demanding he do this or that, but to the situation, circumstance, or problem.
So in the sense that I send God's word at a particular problem, and since the word of God is God, actually it is an offspring of God, in that sense, I am telling God what to do.
So basically I'm just demanding the situation to line up with the word of God.
So if it's sickness, I speak to said sickness, commanding it to leave in the name of Jesus and line up with the word of God.
I do a lot more than that but that's the gist of it.
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I'm not saying Christians shouldn't appeal to God for help and to bring about His promises. I believe we ask to little of God, not too much. Moses pleaded with God for the people based on the character of God. But God responds to His people who exercise faith in His promises, His character, and His actions.
A good example of what I'm referring to is found in 2 Chronicles 20. A number of armies are coming against God's people, and Jehosaphat gathers the people and makes an appeal to God. He basically asks God 3 questions:
...are You not...
...have You not...
...will You not...
His appeal to God was on the basis of God's character and promises. We all can likewise appeal to God in this manner. But none of us have the right or authority to demand anything of the Most High.
 
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