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CS1

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again Elder = presbyter from the Greek word "presbyters. " Post 141 If you can read I said

" They are mostly the eldest but are mature in the faith. " Being old doesn't make you presbyters.
 

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again Elder = presbyter from the Greek word "presbyters. " Post 141 If you can read I said

" They are mostly the eldest but are mature in the faith. " Being old doesn't make you presbyters.
I do not understand what you want to say with your post.
You u- turn the words in my mouth. As i recognize. Why?
 

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again Elder = presbyter from the Greek word "presbyters. " Post 141 If you can read I said

" They are mostly the eldest but are mature in the faith. " Being old doesn't make you presbyters.
I do not mean old men when I speak from eldest. The eldest (presbyters) were a group of determined men who leads the church.
As you find in Titus 1,5
 

CS1

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I do not understand what you want to say with your post.
You u- turn the words in my mouth. As i recognize. Why?
then move on please lol.
 

CS1

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I do not mean old men when I speak from eldest. The eldest (presbyters) were a group of determined men who leads the church.
As you find in Titus 1,5
ok
 

Lamar

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This is now a question for you all: On what grounds do you reject Miracles? Because they're from the Devil?
And if they are from the Devil, how would you know?
Also, why do you acknowledge that it's always the Devil but never God?
Before anyone could label the source of a claim of an miraculous event, the validity of the event itself must first be proven.

IOW, the miraculous claim must have really happened before discussing the power behind the event.

Make sense?
 

Eli1

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Before anyone could label the source of a claim of an miraculous event, the validity of the event itself must first be proven.

IOW, the miraculous claim must have really happened before discussing the power behind the event.

Make sense?
Yes of course.
My question was what would be your take after all of that has happened?
 

Lamar

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Yes of course.
My question was what would be your take after all of that has happened?
Your question is moot since none of it has been proven.

How can we judge if it is of God or not if we don't even know if a supernatural event even happened?
 

Eli1

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Your question is moot since none of it has been proven.

How can we judge if it is of God or not if we don't even know if a supernatural event even happened?
Ok so you're taking a hard exit here. :D
Miracles don't exist.

Ok, thank you.
 

Lamar

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Ok so you're taking a hard exit here. :D
Miracles don't exist.

Ok, thank you.
By no means. If God wants miracles, they cannot be hidden. If He does want miracles, let His will be done.

There is a big difference between claims of miracles and actual miracles.

Let me give you an example.

Donald Trump barely missed being killed by only inches.

Was this event an act of God or an act of Satan?

I will not label it either. Why, because it may have simply been random chance.

You seem to being pushing a false dichotomy.
 

Eli1

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By no means. If God wants miracles, they cannot be hidden. If He does want miracles, let His will be done.

There is a big difference between claims of miracles and actual miracles.

Let me give you an example.

Donald Trump barely missed being killed by only inches.

Was this event an act of God or an act of Satan?

I will not label it either. Why, because it may have simply been random chance.

You seem to being pushing a false dichotomy.
Bro, slow down. :D
Let's say that you have a method to verify a miracle. Great.
My question is not the method. My question is what do you do with the Miracle after?
Do you reject it? Do you accept it? Do you think it's from the Devil?

Do you understand what i'm saying?
 

Lamar

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Bro, slow down. :D
Let's say that you have a method to verify a miracle. Great.
My question is not the method. My question is what do you do with the Miracle after?
Do you reject it? Do you accept it? Do you think it's from the Devil?

Do you understand what i'm saying?
Do you reject it? Do you accept it? Do you think it's from the Devil?
Good question but still moot.

Since people are simply presenting claims without evidence, my thoughts are the claims are without merit and move on.

I would love to witness a miraculous event or even learn of a proven one.

That would be a good question to ponder.
 

Eli1

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Good question but still moot.

Since people are simply presenting claims without evidence, my thoughts are the claims are without merit and move on.

I would love to witness a miraculous event or even learn of a proven one.

That would be a good question to ponder.
lol
So this means that you don't believe in miracles or you don't understand English.
Because you can't pass your own test to give me an answer. :ROFL:
 

know1

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The only one that can heal is God. You can be of great faith and yet, God may or may not heal you. It is up to Him.
"Eat this, and you can be just like me", said the weed to the wheat, while trying to feed them a chocolate and candy coated turd, with the letters m&m written on it.
 

know1

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You may be in need of healing.
Any curse directed at me, goes back on the sender.
You are wrong on so many levels you wrote in post #2.
God is indeed the one who does the healing, but we, the believers, are the ones who direct his hand on who to heal.
Anyone who has faith for healing, will get the healing they have faith for.
This has nothing to do with God's will, because it is God's will for his children to be healthy.
I don't ask for God's healing when I'm in need of it, I demand it. And that is simply because, sickness and disease is of the devil, and I refuse to allow the devil's work in my body or that of my loved ones.
Not only do you not know what faith is or how it works or how the kingdom of God works, but you completely ignore the promises of God, as though they are meaningless and without power.
God watches over and Hastens to PERFORM his word!!!
 

Lamar

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lol
So this means that you don't believe in miracles or you don't understand English.
Because you can't pass your own test to give me an answer. :ROFL:
"Test"???

Since you know my "own test", could you tell me what it is?