Do You Hate Trump so Much You're Willing to let Biden/Harris Destroy America?

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JayBird

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She wants to control how businesses operate
So any regulation of business is communism?

Does that include child labor laws? Banning the dumping of chemicals into waterways? Prosecuting fraud? Prosecuting tax evasion? Having a minimum wage?


and how the citizens live their lives.
Are you an anarchist?
 

cv5

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People going back to work after being forced out of their job by State Governors (not Trump) is not "creating jobs" as Biden likes to say.
Lets not forget the party affiliation of the worst of these Governators.
 

tourist

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So any regulation of business is communism?

Does that include child labor laws? Banning the dumping of chemicals into waterways? Prosecuting fraud? Prosecuting tax evasion? Having a minimum wage?



Are you an anarchist?
Some regulations are necessary to ensure fairness and safety.

No, banning of dumping of chemicals into waterways is absolutely necessary.

Harris proposes to increase business tax from 21% to 28%. This will have the effect of businesses leaving the USA, resulting in massive job loss, and loss of revenue to the USA as fewer people will be paying taxes. Also, this will have an adverse effect on individuals that have a 401K. Stock market will tank and the value of holdings will greatly diminish.

There was no prosecuting of fraud in the 2020 general election for president.

Minimum wage may be necessary but the higher it rises the less opportunity for employment, especially for young people just starting their working lives. Look at California and see how raising the minimum wage for those in fast-food restaurants to $20 hour is working out. No way a kid barely out of school is worth that kind of wage. Many businesses have either closed their doors or greatly reduced staffing.

For the record I am all for child labor laws as children, at one time years ago, were severely exploited.

Not an anarchist but rather a realist.
 

tourist

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As I noted, under President Biden America not only re-gained all the jobs lost under Trump, but added an additional 6+ million jobs.
Most of those jobs were jobs that were lost because of the mandatory shut-down of the economy. A lot of the other jobs were jobs in the government adding to the deficit. Also, a lot of the jobs were low-wage part-time jobs. Now, instead of having one good paying job you have to have 2 or 3 low paying jobs.
 

JayBird

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Some regulations are necessary to ensure fairness and safety.

No, banning of dumping of chemicals into waterways is absolutely necessary.
Glad we agree that regulation is not communism.

Harris proposes to increase business tax from 21% to 28%. This will have the effect of businesses leaving the USA, resulting in massive job loss, and loss of revenue to the USA as fewer people will be paying taxes. Also, this will have an adverse effect on individuals that have a 401K. Stock market will tank and the value of holdings will greatly diminish.
We've had much higher corporate tax rates than that in the past (and during Republican Presidencies) without all of that.

There was no prosecuting of fraud in the 2020 general election for president.
Because it didn't happen. Trump lost. That's why he couldn't prove a single thing in court.

Minimum wage may be necessary but the higher it rises the less opportunity for employment, especially for young people just starting their working lives. Look at California and see how raising the minimum wage for those in fast-food restaurants to $20 hour is working out. No way a kid barely out of school is worth that kind of wage. Many businesses have either closed their doors or greatly reduced staffing.
It's a mixed bag. Other businesses have done very well. Ideally, we would have a situation where everyone who works a permanent full time job makes a wage that allows them to live at least a middle class life.

For the record I am all for child labor laws as children, at one time years ago, were severely exploited.

Not an anarchist but rather a realist.
Good to know. Thanks! :)
 

JayBird

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Most of those jobs were jobs that were lost because of the mandatory shut-down of the economy
Yep, that tends to happen during pandemics.

A lot of the other jobs were jobs in the government adding to the deficit. Also, a lot of the jobs were low-wage part-time jobs. Now, instead of having one good paying job you have to have 2 or 3 low paying jobs.
That's why it's important to make sure wages match up with the cost of living.
 

NightTwister

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Let's talk about the real consequences of the last 3 1/2 years under the Biden-Harris administration. Huge increase in fentanyl deaths. Huge increase in forced labor and sexual trafficking. States enshrining killing children in their state Constitutions. Huge increase in gang crime.
 

cv5

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Are you an anarchist?
Are you an Antifa-bot?

And good luck with sowing your Antifa seed around here bub. It's hard hard conservatives ground.
Looks like it's going to be an awfully hungry winter for you and your posse.
 

NightTwister

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Yep, that tends to happen during pandemics.


That's why it's important to make sure wages match up with the cost of living.
You wage is exactly what it costs to replace you and had nothing to do with the cost of living. Biden-Harris made sure real wages are down as they haven't kept up with inflation and interest rates
 

NightTwister

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So any regulation of business is communism?

Does that include child labor laws? Banning the dumping of chemicals into waterways? Prosecuting fraud? Prosecuting tax evasion? Having a minimum wage?



Are you an anarchist?
In communism, the government controls the means of production. In fascism, the government controls the businesses that control the means of production. In capitalism, businesses control the means of production. The fact that you don't understand these basic concepts shows you really have no understanding of the politics of economies.
 

JayBird

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Q.E.D. means you proved my point. Thanks.
If your point was that post-pandemic inflation was a global phenomenon, and that the US fared better than many other developed countries, then we were in agreement the whole time. :)
 

JayBird

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You wage is exactly what it costs to replace you and had nothing to do with the cost of living.
In terms of full time, permanent jobs? Then we'll disagree on that. I'd prefer to work our way back to the days of my parents when a single wage earner out of high school could support a family, own a home, etc. (with a full time permanent job).

Biden-Harris made sure real wages are down as they haven't kept up with inflation and interest rates
How?
 

JayBird

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In communism, the government controls the means of production. In fascism, the government controls the businesses that control the means of production. In capitalism, businesses control the means of production. The fact that you don't understand these basic concepts shows you really have no understanding of the politics of economies.
Sorry, I've no idea what in my post prompted you to post that reply.
 

NightTwister

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If your point was that post-pandemic inflation was a global phenomenon, and that the US fared better than many other developed countries, then we were in agreement the whole time. :)
No that was your point and you were wrong as the data shows.