Jesus tempted in the wilderness.

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Cameron143

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Who knows. Who knows if Angels can repent. I don't know.

But I do know that fallen angels have free will. And so do the holy angels.
I was merely pointing out that in Bible God does not seem to have made provision for the redemption of angels.
 

homwardbound

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This is what the Bible tells us....


And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more
and more in knowledge and depth of insight. Philippians 1:9​

Insight must be unveiled by grace.. by means of gaining more and more knowledge from God's Word.
Which causes the love of God to abound in believers who are fortunate to be able to fight the good fight well.

grace and peace ...............
Thanks, "I" am not able, God is and did it through Son once for us all to believe God and stand in Godm no matter what.
God is the only one good, according to Jesus
Matthew, Mark, Luke
Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mark 10:18
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Luke 18:19
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

The above proves to me, God Father of the risen Son is the one that is good period, Jesus and Father have won for us the people to believe and be one with them as One (Won for us) to see the verse below, in thanksgiving and praise, God won, we are in by beleif to it is done and new life begins in us, at least has in me
Mark 3:27
No man can enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.
Satan lost, defeated, put down, all that is left is for all flesh to stop its playing God as if are the most high, they are not
Psalm 82, thank you
 

cv5

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Good stuff. But death is more than just separation. Like many biblical concepts,there are multiple aspects to it. For example, the body of Christ is referred to as a body, a building, a bride, and more. Each description confirms the others, as well as adds to and informs the reality of a relationship with Christ. Death, biblically, also has a broader scope for me.
Physical life vs resurrection life
Physical death vs resurrection death

Just food for thought.
 

CS1

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‘and taking no credit in overcoming, see it not as you overcoming, God who overcame< John 16:33
of course, we overcome because of him. But when we fail it is not his fault.
 

cv5

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Good stuff. But death is more than just separation. Like many biblical concepts,there are multiple aspects to it. For example, the body of Christ is referred to as a body, a building, a bride, and more. Each description confirms the others, as well as adds to and informs the reality of a relationship with Christ. Death, biblically, also has a broader scope for me.
I think that you will agree that these "additional aspects" have to do with the devastating after effects and/or symptoms
of the "separation" phenomenon itself that preceded them.
 

homwardbound

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of course, we overcome because of him. But when we fail it is not his fault.
Agreed, came here to earth to fulfill law and prophets first, then died in our place and risen for us to be risen now too inGod Father's Spirit and Truth John 4:23-24 thanks you
 

homwardbound

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of course, we overcome because of him. But when we fail it is not his fault.
Not even from the start in the fall of Adam. Adam ate in "Unbelief" he would die, when he saw Eve not die right away who ate in "Unbelief" first
Genesis 3:6
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

"Unbelief" started it
"belief" in risen Son for us, one sees new as Father ends it, the ambiguousness here on earth in all of us, at least me seeing what love all means, this flesh not wanting that to take over ever at all. So the fight continues on until one gives up on self to do it, when no other flesh but Son's could ever do it.
Amazing Grace
God today takes us in belief and raises us
God-
Raises-
A-
child-
eternally
God who remains faithful as we the children do not and get so easily beset in the journey, each of us, accuse and excuse, playing a person better than others, oh I trust you God to teach me new in humility to see to not sin, or be in pride again as have and could be again. Trusting you to teach me over everyone else and myself
 

Genez

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You stated in the post: "Their problem was not because they had been created with a fallen nature."

The implication of this sentence is - That we were created with a fallen nature. Just saying. But I except your correction and agree with it.
"Except?" Not, 'accept?" Was that a Freudian slip?

Now go get a new straw for your drink.....

If anyone is curious how frivolous contrarians can work. The evidence is found in post # 49.
 

Genez

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You stated in the post: "Their problem was not because they had been created with a fallen nature."

The implication of this sentence is - That we were created with a fallen nature. Just saying. But I except your correction and agree with it.
What you are not putting together is that angels were never born.
They were all created. That's why it was said that way.
 

Cameron143

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I think that you will agree that these "additional aspects" have to do with the devastating after effects and/or symptoms
of the "separation" phenomenon itself that preceded them.
Separation has different aspects as well. Separation can mean apart from; that is, there is some sort of distance between. But separation can also mean not a part of, even when no distance exists.
Within any congregation or church will be a mixture of those both truly in Christ and those who only possess an outward profession. This is no different from OT Israel, where not all of Israel were actually the Israel of God. The later was generally only a remnant. The separation isn't one of proximity, but position. They could still partake in the life of the community and the blessings God bestows, yet still have no spiritual connection to God.
 

Genez

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Being spiritually dead doesn't mean we have no spirit. It means the spiritual aspect of man has been corrupted..
Spiritually dead = dead to all things spiritual. Dead to God.

But Jesus told him, “Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead.” Mat 8:22​

Humans are not born with a human spirit. That is why we read the following.


Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
“How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a
second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God
unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’
John 3:3-7​

If you can not grasp this concept, I am sorry...
 

homwardbound

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Not created, born fallen. Go back and read what I said.
Ever since Adam and Eve fell in 'unbelief" man/woman has been born with the knowledge of good and bad, have not sinned yet, not fallen until one decides to not believe and trust God to lead them, knowing this truth in them consciously
For me, I rest in the fact that God knows who are God's and who are not yet, and if will ever be. yet hopes all will choose to be in belief to this love and mercy given us all through Son Jesus to stand in. The truth sets one free from God revealing this to them simplicity
Take on my yoke and burden, it is light and easy
 

Genez

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OH GOD! Have MERCY!
 

homwardbound

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Separation has different aspects as well. Separation can mean apart from; that is, there is some sort of distance between. But separation can also mean not a part of, even when no distance exists.
Within any congregation or church will be a mixture of those both truly in Christ and those who only possess an outward profession. This is no different from OT Israel, where not all of Israel were actually the Israel of God. The later was generally only a remnant. The separation isn't one of proximity, but position. They could still partake in the life of the community and the blessings God bestows, yet still have no spiritual connection to God.
God knowing who is who and what is what, thank you to rest in trust to God to bring in all that will believe God willingly, just like Jesus went to that cross willingly, without a flesh fight at all, amazing to see that and be that from God giving that to us to love all, seeing an enemy hungry, feeding them, as Jesus once risen showed up to Peter and asked Peter three times do you love me, Peter said you know I do Lord, then feed my sheep. Father sent Son to save the lost, those that are already reckoned righteous do not need a sheep, they have the sheep, Jesus said he did not come to save the righteous ones (those considered righteous by God Father), the, lost ones
 

homwardbound

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OH GOD! Have MERCY!
By Son, God has had that once for us all it is done in Son John 19:30, then the risen life for us to right to be given it and walk humbly in it, thanks
 

Cameron143

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Spiritually dead = dead to all things spiritual. Dead to God.

But Jesus told him, “Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead.” Mat 8:22​

Humans are not born with a human spirit. That is why we read the following.


Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
“How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a
second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God
unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’
John 3:3-7​

If you can not grasp this concept, I am sorry...
See above.
I realize there are those here who are the only ones who know anything and others who misrepresent other people's posts and then ascribe misunderstanding to them, but you alone seem to have mastered both.
 

Cameron143

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God knowing who is who and what is what, thank you to rest in trust to God to bring in all that will believe God willingly, just like Jesus went to that cross willingly, without a flesh fight at all, amazing to see that and be that from God giving that to us to love all, seeing an enemy hungry, feeding them, as Jesus once risen showed up to Peter and asked Peter three times do you love me, Peter said you know I do Lord, then feed my sheep. Father sent Son to save the lost, those that are already reckoned righteous do not need a sheep, they have the sheep, Jesus said he did not come to save the righteous ones (those considered righteous by God Father), the, lost ones
I read this twice. I have no idea what your point is.
 

Nehemiah6

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I think not.....
And yes, Job CONFESSED and repented of his sin of "contending" with the Almighty aka putting God on trial.
First you said Job and sinning like Israel and I showed you that you were wrong. Now you brought up Job 40, long after he lost everything. Had you been in place of Job you too would have been contending with the Almighty. Think about it carefully. And Job's reply pertained to only this matter.

Had Job not been otherwise righteous in God's eyes, why would God ask him to pray for his three friends who were wrong about God? Why would God vindicate Job and restore bank to him more than he had lost? So when you are wrong, just admit it.
 

Genez

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See above.
I realize there are those here who are the only ones who know anything and others who misrepresent other people's posts and then ascribe misunderstanding to them, but you alone seem to have mastered both.
Thank you...
(for the testing)