Question about women in the church.

[Snackersmom]

Early Church Fathers were not mothers, though mothers were invaluable.
OT Patriarchs were not matriarchs, though matriarchs are honored.
The Apostles were all men not women, though women first saw the risen Lord.
Every writer of Scripture was a male....even if he was a eunuch or gentile.
Every major prophecy was given to a male.

The priority and headship belongs to the man. God has designed us this way.

That's a LITTLE better, but the way you are coming across is legit concerning. If the Bible says you shouldn't rejoice that the DEMONS are subject to you, ya might want to be careful about rejoicing that your wife is .

Also, not sure what you would consider a MAJOR prophesy, but Elizabeth's pronouncement that Mary was pregnant with the Messiah was pretty significant in my book. Also Anna's prophetic confirmation that Jesus was the Coming one. And if priority ALWAYS belongs to males, I don't think a woman would have been the first one to see the risen Savior, just sayin'.

It's odd to me that you make such a big deal of what your sisters in Christ can't do. Kinda comes across like your Y chromosomes are a point of pride, just fyi.

 

[cv5]

That's a LITTLE better, but the way you are coming across is legit concerning. If the Bible says you shouldn't rejoice that the DEMONS are subject to you, ya might want to be careful about rejoicing that your wife is .

Also, not sure what you would consider a MAJOR prophesy, but Elizabeth's pronouncement that Mary was pregnant with the Messiah was pretty significant in my book. Also Anna's prophetic confirmation that Jesus was the Coming one. And if priority ALWAYS belongs to males, I don't think a woman would have been the first one to see the risen Savior, just sayin'.

It's odd to me that you make such a big deal of what your sisters in Christ can't do. Kinda comes across like your Y chromosomes are a point of pride, just fyi.

The best thing you could do is go to the "first mention".
That would be the original plan. And still is.

 

[timemeddler]

Hi Daisey,
Unfortunately, Complementarianism (male rule) sometimes brings the worst out of men. In fact, there is the reality that domestic violence is higher amongst males holding complementarian views than those holding egalitarian views.
I am sorry that you feel put down. Not all Christian males hold this patriarchal position. In Christ there is neither male nor female, we are all one in Christ.
Peace
Jeffrey[/QUOTE

society has made masculinity into something it should be. Esau and jacob, esau may have been tough and macho, but god chose jacob, we should remember that.

 

[Derobo]

What you need to bear in mind is that the dominant religious system where Timothy was was a "Matriacrhial" system. Paul mentions that ADAM was first, which was at odds with the prevailing "wisdom" that claimed that Eve was first, and was the one with the SPIRITUAL AUTHORITY. The phony Catholic "Blessed Virgin" is really only an extension of that fallacy. That in Roman Catholicism, MARY is more significant than Jesus point up the problem. SInce CHristians in Timothy's venue had been propagandized about feminine primacy, it's easy to see why Christian Converts who weren't yet grounded in Biblical understandings would tend to lead things astray.

Martin Luther,for example, while being ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE about "Salvation by FAITH", had been trained to accept Mariolatry according to Roman Catholic fantasies about her (it) and did so.

God in Genesis WARNS that the woman will try to Dominate, but the Husband will be the ruler.

HOWEVER since in Christianity Male/female is no longer a consideration, If a WOMAN is called to minister, there's no reason to deny her that calling.

Where do you read that there are no difference between a male and female in christianity?
if you talk about this verse :

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

then that sir, is clearly not about leadership or roles but about faith and unity of believers regardless of nationality, that's why it says there is neither Jew nor greek.

1. They are equally objects of the Divine love and favour. One saint may love God more than another; the same saint may love God more at one time than another; but God always loves all His people with the same everlasting, ardent, unalterable affection. Infinite love admits of no degrees.

2. They have the same spiritual privileges. The same gospel is preached, the same Spirit poured on them; they have one Lord, faith, baptism; justified by the same blood, adopted into the same family, regenerated by the same grace, and preserved by the same power.

3. They all hold the Head, Christ Jesus. Differing in circumstantials, they are united in essentials. Inwardly determined for God, they are outwardly obedient to Him. On the other hand, every unconverted man has more hearts than one, and more ways than one.

4. They have the same well-grounded hopes and expectations. As one Father begot them, so one heaven shall receive them. There they shall be one in those senses in which now they are not so, for they shall see eye to eye. (B. Beddome, M. A.)

 

[Musicmaster]

Generally speaking:

Churchianity, being a creation of man, can do whatever it so desires, even with women standing in positions of teaching authority over the babes and boys in the audience who choose to sit under them.

Think about it: Most of churchianity is in a contract with the state by way of their pathetic 501 c3 contract, and so they are unequally yoked with the government. They are not a building of God. Those that aren't under that tax code contract are still creations of man, for the TRUE gathering of believers has already been defined by scripture, so all the programs and shows that keep the people from true fellowship, it's all contrived and purely religious in nature.

So, let them do whatever they so desire, because not even scripture means anything to them when they can explain away the parts they don't like with such great ease and eloquence. They have their reward here on earth...

MM

 

[cv5]

That's a LITTLE better, but the way you are coming across is legit concerning. If the Bible says you shouldn't rejoice that the DEMONS are subject to you, ya might want to be careful about rejoicing that your wife is .

Also, not sure what you would consider a MAJOR prophesy, but Elizabeth's pronouncement that Mary was pregnant with the Messiah was pretty significant in my book. Also Anna's prophetic confirmation that Jesus was the Coming one. And if priority ALWAYS belongs to males, I don't think a woman would have been the first one to see the risen Savior, just sayin'.

It's odd to me that you make such a big deal of what your sisters in Christ can't do. Kinda comes across like your Y chromosomes are a point of pride, just fyi.

Genesis 2:18
Strong's H5828

And there you go. Not much to equivocate is there?

 

[Derobo]

The best thing you could do is go to the "first mention".
That would be the original plan. And still is.

I agree with you. from the beginning, God created Adam first.
He choose Abraham to be the man who would be the father of many nations.
He Choose Moses to Lead the Israelites through the desert.
He choose Joshua to be the leader after Moses into the promise Land.
every prophet he used in the old testament were Men.
God used John the baptist to fullfill this prophesy by Esaias:

Mat 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

Then Jesus choose 12 men Apostles to proclaim his word.
one of them betrayed (Judas Iscariot)
and the other Apostles choose yet another man Matthias.

Jesus came to Apostle Paul in a vision on the road to Damascus, yet another man was chosen.

looking at church history no woman was ever chosen to be a pastor or have any leadership role in the church the first 1800 years, because people knew from scripture and through example of others that it wasn't possible or allowed.

I don't understand why this a issue.
this is not about me being a man, or you being a woman, its about doing what God wants, and following what he did, and not about what i want.

we all love our women, we all have mothers and we couldn't without women, that's why God said its not good for Adam to be alone.
but we have different roles and if we love God we will not be rebellious and do contrary to what he did and what the church did.

i encourage you all to be as biblical as you can according to your knowledge. ♥️

 

[Snackersmom]

Genesis 2:18
Strong's H5828

And there you go. Not much to equivocate is there?

If my point was to argue with you over the meaning of Strong's 5828, I would mention that the vast majority of the 21 uses of "ezer" referred to God helping men. I sincerely hope you wouldn't interpret God helping you to mean God should submit to you .

However, I'm not here to argue if wives should usurp authority from their husbands, rule over men, or teach assemblies that include adult males. I do not think that a wife should be doing any of those things.

My point is that the attitudes of some of the guys in this thread make me wonder why they are so desperate to appear superior to half their siblings in Christ.

I appreciate the men who focus on what I CAN do, rather than what I can't; Kinda makes me feel like they're TRUE leaders and not just posers whose only qualification is their Y chromosome.

 

[Derobo]

If my point was to argue with you over the meaning of Strong's 5828, I would mention that the vast majority of the 21 uses of "ezer" referred to God helping men. I sincerely hope you wouldn't interpret God helping you to mean God should submit to you .

However, I'm not here to argue if wives should usurp authority from their husbands, rule over men, or teach assemblies that include adult males. I do not think that a wife should be doing any of those things.

My point is that the attitudes of some of the guys in this thread make me wonder why they are so desperate to appear superior to half their siblings in Christ.

I appreciate the men who focus on what I CAN do, rather than what I can't; Kinda makes me feel like they're TRUE leaders and not just posers whose only qualification is their Y chromosome.

Maybe you should make a thread about what women can do in the body of Christ, i would gladly comment on that 🙏🏼
but that being said, this thread is about why people are silent about women pastors in the church when its not biblical.
this is a real issue, many people know its a issue men and women but people are silent for some reason.
God bless you Snackersmom

 

[Snackersmom]

Maybe you should make a thread about what women can do in the body of Christ, i would gladly comment on that 🙏🏼
but that being said, this thread is about why people are silent about women pastors in the church when its not biblical.
this is a real issue, many people know its a issue men and women but people are silent for some reason.
God bless you Snackersmom

I appreciate that, perhaps I will start the thread sometime but right now I'm elbow-deep in a children's ministry project. I only stepped in when some of yall were veering too far off that path. Perhaps you don't realize how you come across, or the impact your words might have. Being that we ARE the more fragile vessels, y'alls words can make or break us. Part of being a good leader is encouraging those you are called to lead.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Where do you read that there are no difference between a male and female in christianity?

No problem!!! Muzzle your women if you think you have to.

 

[Derobo]

I appreciate that, perhaps I will start the thread sometime but right now I'm elbow-deep in a children's ministry project. I only stepped in when some of yall were veering too far off that path. Perhaps you don't realize how you come across, or the impact your words might have. Being that we ARE the more fragile vessels, y'alls words can make or break us. Part of being a good leader is encouraging those you are called to lead.

Sister, if you look back at my comments, look what im saying regarding my sisters in christ, how we can't without you, we need you!!! that's why God created Eve!
if i was ever acting superior just because im a man then im sorry, this is not then intention at all!
i just wanna follow Gods word from beginning to end, and do it the best i can, the last thing i wanna do is to be contrary to his word, my respect for God is too big.
but your right we should encourage each other in our God given roles!
we can't without each other!

 

[Brasspen]

Maybe someone said it already, but Jesus said in Heaven there is neither female or male. We are equals. We are like the angels.
So did Paul, he said it too, I think this was in book of acts. Some with different races of people, we are equals. What God has called cleansed.

Woman hold the same ordained offices of men, given to them by Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Derobo]

No problem!!! Muzzle your women if you think you have to.

Sir. i hope you are not serious

 

[Derobo]

Maybe someone said it already, but Jesus said in Heaven there is neither female or male. We are equals. We are like the angels.
So did Paul, he said it too, I think this was in book of acts. Some with different races of people, we are equals. What God has called cleansed.

Woman hold the same ordained offices of men, given to them by Lord Jesus Christ.

We are equal in faith and unity in the body of Christ yes!
there are no difference between men or women when it comes to salvation, or faith, neither doesn't it matter if you are jew or gentile, we are all one!
but we don't share the same roles, that is very clear.

from the beginning, God created Adam first.
He choose Abraham to be the man who would be the father of many nations.
He Choose Moses to Lead the Israelites through the desert.
He choose Joshua to be the leader after Moses into the promise Land.
every prophet he used in the old testament were Men.
God used John the baptist to fullfill this prophesy by Esaias:

Mat 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

Then Jesus choose 12 men Apostles to proclaim his word.
one of them betrayed (Judas Iscariot)
and the other Apostles choose yet another man Matthias.

Jesus came to Apostle Paul in a vision on the road to Damascus, yet another man was chosen.

looking at the Bible and church history no woman was ever chosen to be a pastor or have any leadership role in the church the first 1800 years, because people knew from scripture and through example of others that it wasn't possible or allowed.

 

[Brasspen]

Don't twist the word of God to fit your own desire. And do not follow God with religiously. Being religous has caused the church and man much troubles recording in all history. Such as the burning of the medicine records in central America. They burned all the documented medicine plants that where written on wood, because they had pictures of the plants on them. That was being religous. That and they burned people to the stack for doing things that where not even in the bible, such as the position they used while with their wife.

This was a problem Job had, was he was religous, so God let him get hurt to fix it.

 

[Brasspen]

It certainly was a problem I have had. It was so bad that I would have anxiety that would cause me to delete a project I had worked on for months. Lots of anxiety and fear when being religous with God. God does not want us that way. We are he's children. Jesus said the children are free.

 

[Nehemiah6]

This was a problem Job had, was he was religous, so God let him get hurt to fix it.

What an absolutely silly remark. I wonder if you know anything at all about Job, who was called "righteous" by God himself, not "religious".

Also you did not say who is "twisting" Scripture, but if you are addressing Derebo, you evidently don't know the Bible either. What he has stated is Bible truth.

 

[cv5]

If my point was to argue with you over the meaning of Strong's 5828, I would mention that the vast majority of the 21 uses of "ezer" referred to God helping men. I sincerely hope you wouldn't interpret God helping you to mean God should submit to you .

However, I'm not here to argue if wives should usurp authority from their husbands, rule over men, or teach assemblies that include adult males. I do not think that a wife should be doing any of those things.

My point is that the attitudes of some of the guys in this thread make me wonder why they are so desperate to appear superior to half their siblings in Christ.

I appreciate the men who focus on what I CAN do, rather than what I can't; Kinda makes me feel like they're TRUE leaders and not just posers whose only qualification is their Y chromosome.

The use of S5828 in the context of Genesis 2:18 is meant to convey the intentionally created hierarchical relationship between Adam and the Woman.

This is reiterated and confirmed 1 Ti 2:13 by Paul ("first").

Then in vv 14 Paul warns of the weakness and vulnerability of the woman.
And not just ANY woman, but an initially sinless and perfect woman. Whoops.

BTW......it was ADAM who renamed the Woman Eve. Because of course only Adam had the vested authority to do so. Just like he had the authority to name the animals. Maybe you missed that part.

And something else: the Jews are ALSO "first". See how that works?

 

[Dino246]

Genesis 2:18
Strong's H5828

And there you go. Not much to equivocate is there?

Gen 2:18 helper: ezer kenegdo, also used of God Himself. Nope, no equivocation whatsoever.

It amazes me that you are so blinded by your commitment to sexism that you dismiss the evidence that refutes it.