Gift of Tongues

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daisyseesthesun

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There’s a physical limit to how long you can pray before your human brain runs out of things to pray for typically about one hour. I’ve heard that when you pray in the spirit, you can pray for multiple hours easily. Prayer warriors like the late Pastor Cho Would pray for five hours a day.
Jacko,

There are prayers of love too. Not everything has to be said.I just tell God what happened in my day and what I'm worried about and prayer requests.

2Do not be quick to speak, and do not be hasty in your heart to utter a word before God. After all, God is in heaven and you are on earth. So let your words be few."


but here are a few Christians that would pray for hours

Sheffey (1977) | Full Movie | Dwight Anderson | Harold Kilpatrick | Beneth Jones (youtube.com)
Samuel Morris | The African Mission to North America | Full Movies | Elijah J Tarpeh
 

Musicmaster

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If you have spoken in tongues before, please share your experience here and how you were able to receive such gift.
Generally speaking, who here has ever walked into a hospital and healed all whom they could touch. THAT would be impressive, and an evidence that we are still under the Kingdom Gospel, which we are not:

Mark 16:17-18
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

What I always hear about that latter operation of healing the sick after the laying on of hands, the things touted are always in isolated cases that has no proof, such as video. We've all seen charlatans allegedly lengthening one allegedly shorter leg, but never any documented case of a true, for example, paraplegic being healed in the sight of all, and on video. We see lots of choreographed garbage staged on that front, but never anything that is verifiable after the act. There are loads and loads of testimonies of alleged eye-witness accounts, but that is not what Jesus spoke in the above verse.

Ahh, and then we will hear from some who will say that there is nobody walking around with that level of faith, which only ignores the implications of what they are saying in relation to the very words of Jesus...where the Lord clearly stated that those who truly "believe" will do all those things, not just one of them...the one that's easy to emulate with gibberish, thundering against anyone who would question the authenticity of their gibberish with rhetoric like, "Dare not touch God's anointed!" Yeah, right. Dare one read the clear meaning of Jesus' words above, and they will see that ALL those things should be in common operation as a sign if we were under the Kingdom Gospel.

So, anyone who was saved under the Kingdom Gospel should be able to do those things...every one of them, not just one. Jesus stated no separation among all those things to those who "believe." Do we all not believe?

Yes, and we are also bound to hear from cessationists about these things as well, which is also a failure to rightly divide the word of truth. Cessationism is a cop-out. It betrays the lack of discerning truth, for Jesus stated no limit to the things listed, neither in power and force, nor in time.

MM
 

Lynx

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Generally speaking, who here has ever walked into a hospital and healed all whom they could touch. THAT would be impressive, and an evidence that we are still under the Kingdom Gospel, which we are not:

Mark 16:17-18
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

What I always hear about that latter operation of healing the sick after the laying on of hands, the things touted are always in isolated cases that has no proof, such as video. We've all seen charlatans allegedly lengthening one allegedly shorter leg, but never any documented case of a true, for example, paraplegic being healed in the sight of all, and on video. We see lots of choreographed garbage staged on that front, but never anything that is verifiable after the act. There are loads and loads of testimonies of alleged eye-witness accounts, but that is not what Jesus spoke in the above verse.

Ahh, and then we will hear from some who will say that there is nobody walking around with that level of faith, which only ignores the implications of what they are saying in relation to the very words of Jesus...where the Lord clearly stated that those who truly "believe" will do all those things, not just one of them...the one that's easy to emulate with gibberish, thundering against anyone who would question the authenticity of their gibberish with rhetoric like, "Dare not touch God's anointed!" Yeah, right. Dare one read the clear meaning of Jesus' words above, and they will see that ALL those things should be in common operation as a sign if we were under the Kingdom Gospel.

So, anyone who was saved under the Kingdom Gospel should be able to do those things...every one of them, not just one. Jesus stated no separation among all those things to those who "believe." Do we all not believe?

Yes, and we are also bound to hear from cessationists about these things as well, which is also a failure to rightly divide the word of truth. Cessationism is a cop-out. It betrays the lack of discerning truth, for Jesus stated no limit to the things listed, neither in power and force, nor in time.

MM
If true, that would be depressing.

I mean I know it happened one time for about 400 years, right before Jesus came. But if it was true right now, I don't think I would want to hang around on this world too long.
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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Jacko,

There are prayers of love too. Not everything has to be said.I just tell God what happened in my day and what I'm worried about and prayer requests.

2Do not be quick to speak, and do not be hasty in your heart to utter a word before God. After all, God is in heaven and you are on earth. So let your words be few."


but here are a few Christians that would pray for hours

Sheffey (1977) | Full Movie | Dwight Anderson | Harold Kilpatrick | Beneth Jones (youtube.com)
Samuel Morris | The African Mission to North America | Full Movies | Elijah J Tarpeh

Thank you so much for these links!


💮
 

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Here are some Bible verses that emphasize the importance of asking God vocally, showing that there’s value in expressing your needs and desires out loud:

1. Matthew 7:7-8

“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.”

This passage highlights the act of asking as a direct expression of faith. Jesus encourages vocalizing requests to God as a way to seek His intervention.

2. James 4:2-3

“You do not have because you do not ask God. When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.”

This verse directly emphasizes that asking God is essential, suggesting that if someone lacks something, it may be because they haven’t voiced their request to God.

3. Philippians 4:6

“Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.”

The use of “prayer and petition” suggests making one’s needs known to God, which often involves vocal or deliberate communication of those desires.

4. 1 John 5:14-15

“This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. And if we know that he hears us—whatever we ask—we know that we have what we asked of him.”

This passage reassures believers that God hears their requests, emphasizing the act of asking according to His will.

5. John 16:24

“Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, and your joy will be complete.”

Jesus here explicitly instructs His followers to ask, indicating that vocalizing one’s needs in prayer can lead to joy and fulfillment.

These verses indicate that while God indeed knows what we need, there is a Biblical precedent for expressing those needs and desires vocally. The act of asking can be seen as a demonstration of faith and trust in God’s provision.
Your opinion that these verses mean asking out loud is just your opinion.
I stand by my post.
I know that God hears my silent prayers.
 

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Praying that long is ridiculous. You're listening to the wrong people. I'd suggest reading your New Testament.
this one comes to mind...

7 “And when you are praying, do not use thoughtless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard because of their many words. 8 So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

The Lord’s Prayer
9 “Pray, then, in this way:

‘Our Father, who is in heaven,
[d]Hallowed be Your name.
10 [e]Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
[f]On earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day [g]our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from [h]evil.[i]’
 

jacko

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Your opinion that these verses mean asking out loud is just your opinion.
I stand by my post.
I know that God hears my silent prayers.
God knows everything, if you can pray as fervently silently as someone who can pray, weeping and on. Their knees, then go for it.
 

jacko

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this one comes to mind...

7 “And when you are praying, do not use thoughtless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard because of their many words. 8 So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

The Lord’s Prayer
9 “Pray, then, in this way:

‘Our Father, who is in heaven,
[d]Hallowed be Your name.
10 [e]Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
[f]On earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day [g]our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from [h]evil.[i]’
Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.” (Matthew 4:1-2, NIV)
 

daisyseesthesun

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Your opinion that these verses mean asking out loud is just your opinion.
I stand by my post.
I know that God hears my silent prayers.
DRobinson,

Now Hannah spoke in her heart; only her lips moved, but her voice was not heard. Therefore Eli thought she was drunk

And Hannah answered and said, No, my lord, I am a woman of a sorrowful spirit: I have drunk neither wine nor strong drink, but have poured out my soul before the LORD.

WORMWOOD,
The amateurish suggestions in your last letter warn me that it is high time for me to write to you fully on the painful subject of prayer.
You might have spared the comment that my advice about his prayers for his mother it "proved singularly unfortunate". That is not the sort of thing that a nephew should write to his uncle-nor a junior tempter to the under-secretary of a department. It also reveals an unpleasant desire to shift responsibility; you must learn to pay for your own blunders.
The best thing, where it is possible, is to keep the patient from the serious intention of praying altogether. When the patient is an adult recently re-converted to the Enemy's party, like your man, this is best done by encouraging him to remember, or to think he remembers, the parrot-like nature of his prayers in childhood. In reaction against that, he may be persuaded to aim at something entirely spontaneous, inward, informal, and unregularised; and what this will actually mean to a beginner will be an effort to produce in himself a vaguely devotional mood in which real concentration of will and intelligence have no part. One of their poets, Coleridge, has recorded that he did not pray "with moving lips and bended knees" but merely "composed his spirit to love" and indulged "a sense of supplication". That is exactly the sort of prayer we want; and since it bears a superficial resemblance to the prayer of silence as practised by those who are very far advanced in the Enemy's service, clever and lazy patients can be taken in by it for quite a long time. At the very least, they can be persuaded that the bodily position makes no difference to their prayers; for they constantly forget, what you must always remember, that they are animals and that whatever their bodies do affects their souls. It is funny how mortals always picture us as putting things into their minds: in reality our best work is done by keeping things out.
If this fails, you must fall back on a subtler misdirection of his intention. Whenever they are attending to the Enemy Himself we are defeated, but there are ways of preventing them from doing so. The simplest is to turn their gaze away from Him towards themselves. Keep them watching their own minds and trying to produce feelings there by the action of their own wills. When they meant to ask Him for charity, let them, instead, start trying to manufacture charitable feelings for themselves and not notice that this is what they are doing. When they meant to pray for courage, let them really be trying to feel brave. When they say they are praying for forgiveness, let them be trying to feel forgiven. Teach them to estimate the value of each prayer by their success in producing the desired feeling; and never let them suspect how much success or failure of that kind depends on whether they are well or ill, fresh or tired, at the moment.
But of course the Enemy will not meantime be idle. Wherever there is prayer, there is danger of His own immediate action. He is cynically indifferent to the dignity of His position, and ours, as pure spirits, and to human animals on their knees He pours out self-knowledge in a quite shameless fashion. But even if He defeats your first attempt at misdirection, we have a subtler weapon. The humans do not start from that direct perception of Him which we, unhappily, cannot avoid. They have never known that ghastly luminosity, that stabbing and searing glare which makes the background of permanent pain to our lives. If you look into your patient's mind when he is praying, you will not find that. If you examine the object to which he is attending, you will find that it is a composite object containing many quite ridiculous ingredients. There will be images derived from pictures of the Enemy as He appeared during the discreditable episode known as the Incarnation: there will be vaguer-perhaps quite savage and puerile-images associated with the other two Persons. There will even be some of his own reverence (and of bodily sensations accompanying it) objectified and attributed to the object revered. I have known cases where what the patient called his "God" was actually located-up and to the left at the corner of the bedroom ceiling, or inside his own head, or in a crucifix on the wall. But whatever the nature of the composite object, you must keep him praying to it-to the thing that he has made, not to the Person who has made him. You may even encourage him to attach great importance to the correction and improvement of his composite object, and to keeping it steadily before his imagination during the whole prayer. For if he ever comes to make the distinction, if ever he consciously directs his prayers "Not to what I think thou art but to what thou knowest thyself to be", our situation is, for the moment, desperate. Once all his thoughts and images have been flung aside or, if retained, retained with a full recognition of their merely subjective nature, and the man trusts himself to the completely real, external, invisible Presence, there with him in the room and never knowable by him as he is known by it-why, then it is that the incalculable may occur. In avoiding this situation-this real nakedness of the soul in prayer-you will be helped by the fact that the humans themselves do not desire it as much as they suppose. There's such a thing as getting more than they bargained for!
Your affectionate uncle
SCREWTAPE​
 

jacko

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The phrase “Jesus was led by the Spirit” from Luke 4:1 in Koine Greek is:

Ἰησοῦς δὲ πλήρης Πνεύματος Ἁγίου ὑπέστρεψεν ἀπὸ τοῦ Ἰορδάνου καὶ ἤγετο ἐν τῷ Πνεύματι ἐν τῇ ἐρήμῳ.

Transliteration: Iēsous de plērēs Pneumatos Hagiou hypestrepsen apo tou Iordanou kai ēgeto en tō Pneumati en tē erēmō.

• ἤγετο (ēgeto): This is the verb for “was led,” which is in the imperfect passive form, indicating continuous action in the past. It suggests that Jesus was continually being led by the Spirit during His time in the wilderness.
• ἐν τῷ Πνεύματι (en tō Pneumati): This means “in the Spirit” or “by the Spirit,” referring to the Holy Spirit who guided Jesus during this time.

The phrase emphasizes that the Holy Spirit actively directed and accompanied Jesus during His 40 days of fasting and temptation in the wilderness, reflecting His full submission to God’s will and spiritual preparation for His mission.
 

jacko

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#53
The search here is a search to be LED by the spirit …in our prayer lives. The Holy Spirit is GOD! Amen.
 

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If you have spoken in tongues before, please share your experience here and how you were able to receive such gift.
If you get into a true discussion on this subject it may offend many. First let me point out that the tongue spoken on the day of Pentecost in the upper room by the disciples being filled by the Holy Sprit, was understood by everyone that heard them speak, no matter what language they spoke or nation they came from, Acts 2:6-8. The key is that it was understood by all that heard it. There was no need for an interpreter. This is the same tongue that will be spoken by God's elect when they are delivered up before the Antichrist, (Satan claiming to be God, II Thes 2:3-4), to testify against him and expose his lies, with the Holy Spirit speaking through them. (Math 10:16-20, Mark 13:9-11, Lk 12:11-12). This testimony will be understood by every nation and language in the world just as it was on the day of Pentecost. Only God is able to do this.

If you compare this to the tongue spoken in the churches that say you must speak in tongues as proof that you have the Holy Spirit, I ask you one question. Is it understood by all that hear it, as in the day of Pentecost. Does something take over your tongue and your eyes roll up as you speak, why your brain is wondering what is going on? Not sure what spirit this is, but truly, what is being said is not understood, thus it is not the tongue spoken of in Acts 2. Something else is going on.

If you consider the gift of tongues mentioned in I Cor 1:14, understand what it is speaking about. If you go to a foreign country to preach the gospel, they are not going to understand you because you don't speak their language. In this case you must take an interpreter with you to translate what you said. The gift of tongues in this case would be if you were able to learn and speak more languages than the one you grew up with so that you could be a more effective communicator. I hope this reply doesn't offend anyone but rather drives some deeper into God's word.
 

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If you get into a true discussion on this subject it may offend many. First let me point out that the tongue spoken on the day of Pentecost in the upper room by the disciples being filled by the Holy Sprit, was understood by everyone that heard them speak, no matter what language they spoke or nation they came from, Acts 2:6-8. The key is that it was understood by all that heard it. There was no need for an interpreter. This is the same tongue that will be spoken by God's elect when they are delivered up before the Antichrist, (Satan claiming to be God, II Thes 2:3-4), to testify against him and expose his lies, with the Holy Spirit speaking through them. (Math 10:16-20, Mark 13:9-11, Lk 12:11-12). This testimony will be understood by every nation and language in the world just as it was on the day of Pentecost. Only God is able to do this.

If you compare this to the tongue spoken in the churches that say you must speak in tongues as proof that you have the Holy Spirit, I ask you one question. Is it understood by all that hear it, as in the day of Pentecost. Does something take over your tongue and your eyes roll up as you speak, why your brain is wondering what is going on? Not sure what spirit this is, but truly, what is being said is not understood, thus it is not the tongue spoken of in Acts 2. Something else is going on.

If you consider the gift of tongues mentioned in I Cor 1:14, understand what it is speaking about. If you go to a foreign country to preach the gospel, they are not going to understand you because you don't speak their language. In this case you must take an interpreter with you to translate what you said. The gift of tongues in this case would be if you were able to learn and speak more languages than the one you grew up with so that you could be a more effective communicator. I hope this reply doesn't offend anyone but rather drives some deeper into God's word.
brother, did you even bother to read my post or just looking to bible flex. I'm talking about praying alone.
 

Randy4u2c

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ja
brother, did you even bother to read my post or just looking to bible flex. I'm talking about praying alone.
jacko. God knows what is on your mind before you even start to pray. Of course He hears you.
 

jacko

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ja

jacko. God knows what is on your mind before you even start to pray. Of course He hears you.

As I stated, I was praying and the out of my mouth came the words hallelujah halluehah over and over,, the words started to mumble and slur.. and suddenly the words and my mind became jumbled and the new sounds started rolling out of my mouth. I was overwhelmed because I almost couldn't believe my earthly ears. I had to stop and I felt an anointing like Ive almost never felt. Like I said wow.. the kingdom of God is at hand... I swear to you at moment, I felt like I could sell all my belongings and it wouldn't make a difference. I've tried now 3 times to be lead my the spirit in my prayers but only English would come out.. So I don't know if that was the Spirit leading me in just that one time but it was powerful and I say this is 100% truth.
 

Lynx

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God knows everything, if you can pray as fervently silently as someone who can pray, weeping and on. Their knees, then go for it.
"The proper way for a man to pray,"
Said Deacon Lemuel Keyes,
"And the only proper attitude
Is down upon his knees."

"No, I should say the way to pray,"
Said Rev. Doctor Wise,
"Is standing straight with outstretched arms
And rapt and upturned eyes."

"Oh, no; no, no," said Elder Slow,
"Such posture is too proud:
A man should pray with eyes fast closed
And head contritely bowed."

"It seems to me his hands should be
Austerely clasped in front.
With both thumbs pointing toward the ground,"
Said Rev. Doctor Blunt.

"Las' year I fell in Hodgkin's well
Head first," said Cyrus Brown,
"With both my heels a-stickin' up,
My head a-pinting down;

"An' I made a prayer right then an' there -
Best prayer I ever said,
The prayingest prayer I ever prayed,
A-standing on my head."
 

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praying alone?

All I know is, from prayerful and Careful Bible study:
"Be careful ( anxious ) for nothing; but in every thing by prayer​
and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made​
known unto God. And The Peace of God, which passeth all​
understanding, Shall Keep your hearts and minds through​
Christ Jesus" (Philippians 2:6-7 AV)​

Plus, I Also know This:

"Likewise The Spirit Also Helpeth our infirmities: for we know not​
what we should pray for as we ought: but The Spirit Itself Maketh​
Intercession For us with groanings which cannot be uttered.​
And He That Searcheth the hearts Knoweth What is the Mind Of The​
Spirit, because He Maketh Intercession For the saints According To​
The Will Of God.​
And we know that all things work together for good to them that​
love God, to them who are the called According To His Purpose"​
(Romans 8:26-28 AV)​
Thanks And Praise Be Unto God, He Hears me, if I "pray alone To Him in my own language",
And being a simpleton, He Intercedes For me even "when I don't know what to pray for!"

"Simplicity In Christ!" Amen?

Amen.