Who has said God purposes people to be vile? Knowing something before it happens as God knew man would disobey and sin does not mean He made anyone do that. It does seem that many people need to break it down to either God makes them sin (which is not true) or they are naturally free to choose (which is not true either). Man is born dead to God. That is a fundamental Biblical truth. None are righteous... no, not one! All sin and anyone who sins is a slave to sin. Does taken captive to do the will of the devil sound like a free man to you? It is called being born after Adam. Jesus is the second Adam. We need to be born of Him, and then we can be transformed in His image.
“Who has said God purposes people to be vile? “
im asking saying God didn’t purpose this or plan and ordain it . Man did it independently apart from Gods Will for them which is good
“Knowing something before it happens as God knew man would disobey and sin does not mean He made anyone do that. “
indeed and agreed we’ll said
foreknowledge is one thing , pre ordaining is another
if we look at it foreknolwedge of what would be later is why he ordained Christ before creation to come and be manifest when he was after man had
become sinners. Not that they were created sinners but they later became sinners
“but with the precious blood of
Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: who
verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.”
1 Peter 1:19-21 KJV
It seems foreknowledge is how and why he ordained Christ beforehand.
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him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:”
Acts 2: 23
We can tangibly see God has foreknowledge and how Christ was pre ordained in the prophets writings like this before he was born
“But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”
Isaiah 53:5-6 KJV
“It does seem that many people need to break it down to either God makes them sin (which is not true) or they are naturally free to choose (which is not true either). Man is born dead to God. “
“For
he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.”
Luke 20:38 KJV
Mankind was created and made alive by God , Adams transgression brought sin to mankind’s nature and sin brings death
“Wherefore, as
by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so
death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
For
as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,
so
by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”
Romans 5:12, 19
Through Adam we inherit a sinful nature then later we sin and are condemned to death we aren’t born dead we’re born condemned to die later when we die. We can be saved and never die or can go ahead and die rejecting the lord
theough Christ and his spirit we inherit a nature of goodness the son of Gods spirit in us .
We’re all going to die because of sin we can die like this by faith
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
Romans 6:3-7
Or we can die in our sins like Jesus warned if we reject him
“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe
not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
John 8:24
We’re all gonna die and exist under a sentance of death because we sin having that sinful nature adam caused this when he ate the
knowledge of good and evil
We aren’t dead we’re like this corrupted
“I find then
a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. ..but I see another
law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?”
Romans 7:21, 23-24 KJV
God didn’t create us with the e law of sin in us or good and evil he made them good and they lived by his word and fellowshipped with him there was no law but the commandment of life telling them not to earth the forbidden fruit
We inherit his deeds and nature because we all come from his dna and her dna the first two sinners and sin brings death
“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for
in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:16-17 KJV
god knows beforehand what’s gonna happen if he eats the fruit so
he tells him the truth.
then satans lie comes along
“And
the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods,
knowing good and evil.
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her
husband with her; and he did eat.”
Genesis 3:4-6
Both broke the commandment we can discuss why but either way both ones and broke Gods commandment regarding good and evil knowledge and partook as Satan tempted them to do
the choice has always been mans to make between good and evil since we were created God placed good and evil before man life and death and never forced us to choose just told us the truth And said believe and live
Also Warned us of what will happen if we don’t obey fully informed and have to choose life or death