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Great example. Amen! 
A gift of knowledge isn‘t learned. It is like a gift: given. And the reason it is a spiritual gift is because the Spirit gives it.
Without traditions that cloud our understanding these things are easy to understand.
A gift of knowledge isn‘t learned. It is like a gift: given. And the reason it is a spiritual gift is because the Spirit gives it.
Without traditions that cloud our understanding these things are easy to understand.
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LOL, are you following?
You
"That's not correct. A spiritual gift must have a spiritual component. Otherwise you're just "book-learned".
One who is called should be confirmed by others."
My response.
"God's calling a person is the most spiritual component and is the only one that matters, as is His word. "
you
"Okay. Can you give me an example?"
One who preaches doesn't have to have the gift of the apostellō, which means one who is sent out. The apostle is sent out.
Preaching is speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the word of GOD.
You
"That's not correct. A spiritual gift must have a spiritual component. Otherwise you're just "book-learned".
One who is called should be confirmed by others."
My response.
"God's calling a person is the most spiritual component and is the only one that matters, as is His word. "
you
"Okay. Can you give me an example?"
One who preaches doesn't have to have the gift of the apostellō, which means one who is sent out. The apostle is sent out.
Preaching is speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the word of GOD.
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What God's written Word says on the matter of the cloven tongue of Pentecost is one thing, but men's doctrines about it are another. I will show the difference here, and my fellow-brethren in Christ can either take it or leave it.
Per Acts 2, the cloven tongue manifested by The Holy Spirit through Christ's Apostles on that day of Pentecost was heard by the multitudes present in their 'own' languages and dialects of their birth.
The Holy Spirit even left a perfect outline about that cloven tongue in the Greek New Testament manuscripts, with the order of appearance of Greek glossa (language) and Greek dialektos (dialect). That is how we know those present heard them speak in their own dialects of birth, and in the U.S. that would mean if you were there, and from the Southeastern U.S. you would hear the Apostles say 'yal', and if you were from the Northern U.S. you'd hear them say 'you's guys'.
In other words, Acts 2 proves the cloven tongue is not... gibberish speech.
In 1 Corinthians 12 thru 14 by Apostle Paul, he points to the idea of tongues to mean various languages of the world, not some mystery gibberish speech...
1 Cor 12:9-10
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
KJV
In the following, per the Greek New Testament manuscripts, the word "unknown" in the KJV was ADDED by the KJV translators. It is not in the Greek manuscripts...
1 Cor 14:2-5
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
KJV
The true... cloven tongue of Pentecost is to manifest especially at the end of this world during the "great tribulation" when some of us will be delivered up to councils and the synagogue of Satan in order to give a TESTIMONY for Christ against the beast. Per Mark 13, Lord Jesus told us to not premeditate what we will say in that hour, but to speak what The Holy Spirit gives us to speak. Most likely those witnesses will be televised around the world, which would never have been possible without satellite communications technology. God is going to speak directly to the world through His faithful servants with the original tongue that all nations once spoke prior to the tower of Babel event.
Per Acts 2, the cloven tongue manifested by The Holy Spirit through Christ's Apostles on that day of Pentecost was heard by the multitudes present in their 'own' languages and dialects of their birth.
The Holy Spirit even left a perfect outline about that cloven tongue in the Greek New Testament manuscripts, with the order of appearance of Greek glossa (language) and Greek dialektos (dialect). That is how we know those present heard them speak in their own dialects of birth, and in the U.S. that would mean if you were there, and from the Southeastern U.S. you would hear the Apostles say 'yal', and if you were from the Northern U.S. you'd hear them say 'you's guys'.
In other words, Acts 2 proves the cloven tongue is not... gibberish speech.
In 1 Corinthians 12 thru 14 by Apostle Paul, he points to the idea of tongues to mean various languages of the world, not some mystery gibberish speech...
1 Cor 12:9-10
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
KJV
In the following, per the Greek New Testament manuscripts, the word "unknown" in the KJV was ADDED by the KJV translators. It is not in the Greek manuscripts...
1 Cor 14:2-5
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
KJV
The true... cloven tongue of Pentecost is to manifest especially at the end of this world during the "great tribulation" when some of us will be delivered up to councils and the synagogue of Satan in order to give a TESTIMONY for Christ against the beast. Per Mark 13, Lord Jesus told us to not premeditate what we will say in that hour, but to speak what The Holy Spirit gives us to speak. Most likely those witnesses will be televised around the world, which would never have been possible without satellite communications technology. God is going to speak directly to the world through His faithful servants with the original tongue that all nations once spoke prior to the tower of Babel event.
"How can they preach unless they are sent?" is the verse in English.
Are there other parts of the Bible you don't like?
That is not the full context of the text. You know better than that.
5 For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “
The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Not all are called to be apostles.
No, God did not tell you that. And it is not gibberish, not if the person is not abusing the gifts. I have told this story before. I know personally a man that was saved and became a preacher of a large church because of the gift of tongues.
This is a "story" I grew up with, my parents told me. A man they knew from Syria.I believe,who moved to Canada. He knew little English. One Sunday he passed a church and thought he heard his native tongue being spoken. He went into the church and sat in the back. A woman was speaking in tongues and told him how to become born again in his own language. After the service he went to the pastor and asked to speak to the lady from Syria. The pastor said there was no one there from Syria. He became a born again Christian that day because he heard the Gospel spoken to him in his own tongue. He became a pastor of a large church. I attended that church, met that pastor and ministered from the platform of the church he is pastor of. Explain to me why the devil would want to get a man saved, become a pastor of a wonderful church of believers spreading the Word of God???!! In 20 yrs of ministry I could tell of many more instances. You need to check which spirit you're talking to, it sure isn't from God.
This is a "story" I grew up with, my parents told me. A man they knew from Syria.I believe,who moved to Canada. He knew little English. One Sunday he passed a church and thought he heard his native tongue being spoken. He went into the church and sat in the back. A woman was speaking in tongues and told him how to become born again in his own language. After the service he went to the pastor and asked to speak to the lady from Syria. The pastor said there was no one there from Syria. He became a born again Christian that day because he heard the Gospel spoken to him in his own tongue. He became a pastor of a large church. I attended that church, met that pastor and ministered from the platform of the church he is pastor of. Explain to me why the devil would want to get a man saved, become a pastor of a wonderful church of believers spreading the Word of God???!! In 20 yrs of ministry I could tell of many more instances. You need to check which spirit you're talking to, it sure isn't from God.
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Great example. Amen!
A gift of knowledge isn‘t learned. It is like a gift: given. And the reason it is a spiritual gift is because the Spirit gives it.
Without traditions that cloud our understanding these things are easy to understand.
A gift of knowledge isn‘t learned. It is like a gift: given. And the reason it is a spiritual gift is because the Spirit gives it.
Without traditions that cloud our understanding these things are easy to understand.
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2 Thessalonians 3:6
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
Romans 10:13-15 ~ Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on Him in Whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of Whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? As it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
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Note the exclusion of the word "unknown" in 1 Cor. 14:2 does not change what the scripture goes on to reveal. NO MAN UNDERSTANDS what the Spirit filled person is saying when their renewed spirit speaks directly to God, not even they themselves. Letting go and letting God is an act of faith.
1 Cor 14:2-5
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: FOR NO MAN understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1 Cor 14:2-5
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: FOR NO MAN understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.