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JohnDB

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You cannot expect large numbers of Christians in Muslim countries because they could be killed for professing their faith, just as those who depart the Islamic faith risk their lives to do so, since murdering infidels and Jews and those of "the book" is mandated in the Quran.
No different from what the Early Church experienced. Many of them were killed, kicked out and made homeless by having all assets seized.
 
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No different from what the Early Church experienced. Many of them were killed, kicked out and made homeless by having all assets seized.
I am certainly not in any hurry to move to a country that has such backwards
and barbaric practices written into their "holy" books. Are you?
 

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I am certainly not in any hurry to move to a country that has such backwards
and barbaric practices written into their "holy" books. Are you?
Uhhhh.....no.

And honestly it's not the vast majority of the Muslim people.....only a few militants doing this.

We have had the same type of thing here in the USA but we, as a nation, stop such behavior. We don't allow the bombing of Abortion clinics or killing of doctors by a few crazed "Christians".

There are other such actions but not as extreme by Christians. Where part of us rejoices over the stopping of what we see as immorality we also don't know what to do if it weren't for law enforcement.

And this is what is happening there but without the law enforcement doing anything. The people don't like it...but they also don't know what to do about it...and are unwilling to risk personal harm to intervene.
 
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And honestly it's not the vast majority of the Muslim people.....only a few militants doing this.
Not about who does what so much as the point is that violence against others is written into their
so-called holy books. To properly follow Islam one is mandated to murder, and actually, murdering
others is the only assurance of salvation a Muslim has, though oddly enough even Mo was unsure.
 

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Not about who does what so much as the point is that violence against others is written into their so-called holy books.
Not much different from Old Testament scriptures....
Except Muslims have no equivalent New Testament scriptures to follow.

Roughly the same time our New Testament was being authored and finished the Koran was being written.
 
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Not much different from Old Testament scriptures....
Except Muslims have no equivalent New Testament scriptures to follow.

Roughly the same time our New Testament was being authored and finished the Koran was being written.
The Quran was written after 600. NT Scriptures were finished well before then. Also, comparing what the
Quran teaches Islamists cannot be compared to what New Covenant followers are taught. Not. At. ALL.
Nowhere are we told to murder or kill anyone. Many make the same mistake you are making.


List of Killings in the Name of Islam: Last 30 Days

List of Islamic Terror Attacks

The list is kept updated and current. During this time period, there were 137
Islamic attacks in 25 countries, in which 798 people were killed and 587 injured.
 

JohnDB

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The Quran was written after 600. NT Scriptures were finished well before then. Also, comparing what the
Quran teaches Islamists cannot be compared to what New Covenant followers are taught. Not. At. ALL.
Nowhere are we told to murder or kill anyone. Many make the same mistake you are making.


List of Killings in the Name of Islam: Last 30 Days

List of Islamic Terror Attacks

The list is kept updated and current. During this time period, there were 137
Islamic attacks in 25 countries, in which 798 people were killed and 587 injured.
I stand corrected on the dates....I thought it was earlier.

I've never really studied the Koran or Muslim history much.

I just know what I see from Muslims I personally know. They are extremely respectable and not intent on murdering the infidels. They are interested in living a life others wish for. Being upright and extremely patriarchal and sometimes matriarchal when the patriarch has died. A daughter-in-law can go to the Patriarch for problems with a son or grandson....and if they agree, the son or grandson is severely chastised if not apostacized and restoration is made to the daughter-in-law. She could find herself being "adopted" and the natural son tossed out on his ear.

Which absolutely is in defiance of Christian culture's teaching of extreme individuality and no collectivism that has become a hallmark.

I'm not saying that Muslims are always this way....obviously look at the news and Iran and Palestinians have shown the extremist point of view.
 
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I stand corrected on the dates....I thought it was earlier.

I've never really studied the Koran or Muslim history much.

I just know what I see from Muslims I personally know. They are extremely respectable and not intent on murdering the infidels. They are interested in living a life others wish for. Being upright and extremely patriarchal and sometimes matriarchal when the patriarch has died. A daughter-in-law can go to the Patriarch for problems with a son or grandson....and if they agree, the son or grandson is severely chastised if not apostacized and restoration is made to the daughter-in-law. She could find herself being "adopted" and the natural son tossed out on his ear.

Which absolutely is in defiance of Christian culture's teaching of extreme individuality and no collectivism that has become a hallmark.

I'm not saying that Muslims are always this way....obviously look at the news and Iran and Palestinians have shown the extremist point of view.
Yes, individuals stray from what the Quran teaches and advocates. This is nothing new. Christians are guilty of the same thing.

Still, the hero of Islam, their idealized man, is an adulterous war-mongering pedophile and rapist.

Oh, surely Mo did not think himself an adulterer. He allowed himself more wives than others could have.

Many more. PS~ Muhammad was born c. 570 CE, and believed to have received the Quran between 610 and 632 CE
 

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Yes, individuals stray from what the Quran teaches and advocates. This is nothing new. Christians are guilty of the same thing.

Still, the hero of Islam, their idealized man, is an adulterous war-mongering pedophile and rapist.

Oh, surely Mo did not think himself an adulterer. He allowed himself more wives than others could have.

Many more. PS~ Muhammad was born c. 570 CE.
Obviously he considered himself equal to a king....look at Solomon.

But they definitely follow the Abrahamic covenant....theirs and the Jewish diet is not different.
 
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Obviously he considered himself equal to a king....look at Solomon.

But they definitely follow the Abrahamic covenant....theirs and the Jewish diet is not different.
You will never hear Islam called the religion of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but only Abrahamic, because they
remove Isaac as the child of promise and put Ishmael in his place. Mo claims lineage through Ishmael. That is
pretty significant considering Jesus comes through the true child of promise, Isaac's line via Jacob, renamed Israel.
In fact that was the whole reason God separated them out from the world: to bring forth our Messiah. That is their fruit.
After Jesus came into the world, His cursing of the fig tree foreshadowed the coming end of the Temple worship system.
 
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From Hebrews 10:1, 4, and 1 Corinthians 5:7 The law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves... because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Christ our Passover Lamb has been sacrificed for us. Thank you, Jesus!
 
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I stand corrected on the dates....I thought it was earlier.

I've never really studied the Koran or Muslim history much.

I just know what I see from Muslims I personally know. They are extremely respectable and not intent on murdering the infidels. They are interested in living a life others wish for. Being upright and extremely patriarchal and sometimes matriarchal when the patriarch has died. A daughter-in-law can go to the Patriarch for problems with a son or grandson....and if they agree, the son or grandson is severely chastised if not apostacized and restoration is made to the daughter-in-law. She could find herself being "adopted" and the natural son tossed out on his ear.

Which absolutely is in defiance of Christian culture's teaching of extreme individuality and no collectivism that has become a hallmark.

I'm not saying that Muslims are always this way....obviously look at the news and Iran and Palestinians have shown the extremist point of view.
Well I thought so too. I even had two friends that were muslims on campus this was pullman wa in 2014. In those days I loved listening to Nicole mullen. I was at the mall in Idaho right over the border in Idaho listening to My redeemer lives loud then I saw two men put on masks and heading angrily toward my car. Thankfully I got into the car fast enough and got away. I never trusted any Muslim again. They have a hatred for Christian music and are quite scary to be ready for violence at a moment notice.