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Inquisitor said:
Chat GPT will give you, nothing more or less, when you restrict it to the literal reading of the text.
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1Co 2:13-14
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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The sabbath is a law.

The sabbath belongs to Israel and in a covenant between God and Israel.

The Bible tells you directly that Gentiles are not under the law.

Your faulty reading of the text causes you to exalt the sabbath above everything else.

You named your church after the sabbath law.

Is there no end to this fanatical sabbath day worship?
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You keep saying we are faulty...
Take a look at yourself
Your understanding about Jews and Gentiles needs to be corrected. God does not distinguish us by DNA, or race but God looks at the heart.
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
 
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SabbathBlessing said:
Can you point out any offerings made on the Sabbath in the NT? Those ended at the Cross but the weekly Sabbath according to the commandment ended.
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Here are some sacrifices for the sabbath and every other day of the week.

Romans 12:1
Therefore I urge you, brothers and sisters, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.

Ephesians 5:2
And walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma.
 
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hornetguy said:
It is not the death of Jesus on the cross that saves us.... it is the fact that he is the firstborn of those raised from the dead that establishes his kingdom. If it was only his death, then there was no miracle in that... only a sacrifice.
The RESURRECTION is what give his sacrifice the power to be our once and only sacrifice for sins.
The kindgom was not established until after his resurrection...
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“The kindgom was not established until after his resurrection.”

I would add the word “ fully “
 
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good grief, your repetition is like fingernails on a blackboard..... but I suppose you think it "helps you keep the Sabbath..." :rolleyes:
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“Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

…….One man esteemeth one day above another:

another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.

He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:1, 5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; and having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:13-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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MeowFlower said:
It's the law of God. Not Moses.
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“And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee , and with Israel.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭34:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Many generations later

“Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭4:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man( Jesus ) is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: and by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭13:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12KJV‬‬
 
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SabbathBlessing said:
I think you misunderstand.

We are not saved by keeping the law, we are saved by grace through faith.

We all have sinned and deserve death, so no one is saved by the law.

All the law does is point out what is right and what is wrong according to God. Rom 3:20 Rom 7:7 It can't save us but points us to the One who can- Jesus.

Jesus doesn't save us in our sins, He saves us from sin Mat 1:21, and if we surrender to Jesus. He lives in us and does what we can't do by ourselves, live righteously obeying all of the laws. This is the faith that works, its not our works but Christ, we just have to cooperate with Him though love and faith

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

He doesn't make us do it alone, so not sure why people are fighting against His righteous way of living. If we abide in Him, we will follow the path that Jesus took, following in His footsteps, He is leading the way back to reconciliation Rev 22:14.
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You're not sure why there are opponents of God's righteous way of living ?

Obviously not many who claim the name of Christ actually read the Bible.

Less understand it in context,the harmonizing of the whole narrative.

Others regurgitate their objections just to cause those they target to repeat themselves in a hopeless effort to reach that antagonist.

Bigots aplenty too.

Those who think the SDA are the only ones who observe Sabbath.

Those are ones who obviously have never heard of Messianic Jews.

Others are likely Christian Identity proponents.

When someone insists morality is not part of their personal "theology" believe them!
When they insist God's Sabbath gift is nullified, believe them.

Why?
Think about it.

No one comes to Christ unless God calls them.

Those God called don't disrespect His word by insisting their own ,that what segregates faith in the Jewish Jesus, is able to reword Christ's teaching mistakes.

Which is what you're reading from most here.

BTW,just for fun . Do you know what the faith of the Pilgrims was? They were Calvinist Separatists. They wanted to break from the church of England.

If you encounter anyone who makes fun of "Calvinism" in their hate screed,remember that. ;)
 
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SabbathBlessing said:
The Sabbath started at Creation, no sacrifices needed, because no sin.

In the Sabbath commandment- there is nothing about sacrifices, it is about keeping the Sabbath day holy and resting from works and labors.

There was sacrifices daily for sin because people sinned daily even on the Sabbath, but sacrifices and the Sabbath were never married.

When Jesus came, He took away for the need for sacrifices for sin, because He became our sacrificial Lamb. So instead of taking a lamb or goat to a Levitical priest we can go directly to Jesus when we sin, when we repent, confess which means a change of heart and a change of direction.

Sin is breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 any of the Ten Commandments James 2;10-12 Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30

Why the Sabbath continued on in the NT according to the commandment Luke 23:56

The Sabbath continued in the NC not once having an animal sacrifice because they were never married.
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remember the Sabbath command must be kept alongside All other commandments, Fail to keep One mean failed to keep All.
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
“And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee , and with Israel.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭34:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Many generations later

“Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭4:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man( Jesus ) is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: and by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭13:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12KJV‬‬
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The law of God.

Moses was the scribe.

You rework Paul's letters to confirm to your errors. However, Paul never denigrated Gods law.
 
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TMS said:
You keep saying we are faulty...
Take a look at yourself
Your understanding about Jews and Gentiles needs to be corrected. God does not distinguish us by DNA, or race but God looks at the heart.
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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Here is a harder question for you to answer.

You incorrectly understood what Paul was saying in chapter two.

So now you can interpret the paragraph and tell me what Paul is saying.

Romans 11:24
For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and contrary to nature were grafted
into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into
their own olive tree?

Given that genetic lineage is nullified

Who are the natural branches?
 
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This is really what it's about. There's absolutely no other reason to be so fixated on a day of the week other than idolatry. Christ saves through his gospel, but we never hear Saturday fanatics talk about it because they really don't understand it. They give lip service to Christ, but act like a weekly 24-hour period is their savior with all of the inordinate focus they put on it. It's unreal.

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I have never met a more stubborn populace that is more concerned with resting on a particular day, instead of focusing on sharing the Good News with a ton of lost souls.
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Sabbath observance is a salvation issue, God blessed it & sanctified it. In six days God created a perfect planet which he declared as very good.

[Gen 1:31 KJV] 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

The Sabbath rest was made for man so that God could spend time with his people.

[Gen 2:2-3 KJV] 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

[Exo 20:11 KJV] 11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The active agent in the creation is identified as Jesus :

[Jhn 1:1-5, 10-13 KJV] 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. ... 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Sabbath observance beginning at the creation is the way designated by the creator to spend time with the creator, Jesus, it literally doesn’t get any better than that.
 
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Sabbath observance is a salvation issue, God blessed it & sanctified it. In six days God created a perfect planet which he declared as very good.

[Gen 1:31 KJV] 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

The Sabbath rest was made for man so that God could spend time with his people.

[Gen 2:2-3 KJV] 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

[Exo 20:11 KJV] 11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The active agent in the creation is identified as Jesus :

[Jhn 1:1-5, 10-13 KJV] 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. ... 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Sabbath observance beginning at the creation is the way designated by the creator to spend time with the creator, Jesus, it literally doesn’t get any better than that.
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If you read Genesis properly, you'll know that the 7th day was blessed and made holy because of the 'Rest". So if you don't enter into Gods Rest then the day is Not blessed and holy. This is what Heb 4 is trying to convey.
 
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