the Sabbath

[SabbathBlessing]

Indeed, but apparently only I know what I pointed out, which is now on my website under Controversial Issues (thanks to my favorite Judaizer for your help in hashing it out :^). It was:

7. Jesus declared he is Lord of the Sabbath and it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath in MT 12:1-12.

8. Jesus healed a crippled woman on the Sabbath in LK 13:10-16.

If Jesus thought keeping the Sabbath was an important law, he would have affirmed it on these two occasions, but he did not specifically nullify it either, which jibes/harmonizes perfectly with Paul.

9. Paul taught that a person may rest on the Sabbath or not in CL 2:16, GL 4:9-11 & RM 14:5.

10. HB encourages Christians to enter God’s Sabbath rest by persevering faith in 3:7-4:11.

Perhaps you misunderstood the question.

Where did God abrogate the Sabbath commandment? Quoting that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath does not help your case because establishes the Sabbath- back to Creation Exo 20:11 when God made everything according to His perfect plan. Are you lord of your house? Do you interpret that as visitors who come there should tear it down and get rid of it? If you think Jesues doing good on the Sabbath somehow negates the Sabbath commandment, this is what the Pharasees thought who also accused Jesus of not being God and crucified Him, so not the best camp to side with. Jesus kept the Sabbath and as His custom was in the synagogues teachings God’s Word, just as the apostles did decades after the Cross, following in the footsteps of Jesus, the same footsteps we are told to follow if we abide in Him John 15:10 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-23


God blessed the Sabbath only God can reverse His blessing Num 23:20

Paul is not God, he was a servant of God’s and a servant is not greater than his master John 13:16

Why we have this warning of Paul’s writings people really should take more seriously because the warning is people twisting to their own destruction. Jesus saying depart from those who practice lawlessness at His Second Coming is just that. Why we need to be careful to reconcile Pauls writings to Jesus, not Jesus to Paul. Paul can’t save us, Jesus is the only way.

 

[Dino246]

so let e get this straight.

we are not saved from the penalty of sin (death)

we are saved to keep the law so we can save ourself by keeping the law?

so what?

Exactly. Logic seems to be the weak link with this particular legalist.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

That's what happens when you blindly follow people.

No one is righteous and that includes Ellen White.

Follow Jesus and you can't go wrong.

That would require Sabbath-keeping

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah.

And obeying al of the commandments if we abide in Him

1 John 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

1 John 2: 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

John 8:12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”

Come to the light of God’s Truth

All of God’s commandments are Truth.

 

[Pasifika]

There are two laws, the priesthood laws under the Levites was what was written in the book of the law, not the Ten Commandments.

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

This is what was written and put beside the ark. Not what was inside the ark God’s eternal Ten Commandments.

Hebrews 7 is addressing the law of priesthood because the law said all priests needed to come from Levi because the Levites were the only ones who were faithful while Moses went up to get the Ten Commandments. Jesus coming from the tribe of Judah caused an issue under the law so the necessity of the aw had to be changed, which is what Hebrews 7 is all about.

There is a law that not a jot or tittle can be changed and a law that was temporary. We already see in the law of Moses the priesthood changed, animal sacrifices changed which means that is not the unchangeable law Jesus was referring to. It is obviously the Ten Commandments written by the finger of God, the laws Jesus quoted from when He said not a jot or tittle can be changed Mat 5:18 because He promised He would not alter His Words Psa 89:34. At some point we need to start believing God and what He taught, everything else really is only a snare that I fear will not end well according to the Words of Jesus Christ Mat 7:21-23 Rev 22:14-15

We don’t have to agree, thats okay, but our time here is short and once Jesus comes back all decisions are final Rev 22:11

well, the 10 commandments were also written in the book of the Law.
the 10 commandments was also called the "words the covenant" Ex 34:28 in reference to the Sinai covenant.

 

[Dino246]

Please get it right. We're anti-sabbaths-are-a-salvation-issue proponents. We're not against sabbaths or even observing them if you want to

Save your fingers and let the insults roll off. You won't convince them that their words are inappropriate because to them, we're profligate sinners who warrant such mistreatment.

 

[Pasifika]

That would require Sabbath-keeping

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah.

And obeying al of the commandments if we abide in Him

1 John 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

1 John 2: 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

John 8:12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”

Come to the light of God’s Truth

All of God’s commandments are Truth.

The sabbath is kept under the New Covenant when we "Believe" the Gospel.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

well, the 10 commandments were also written in the book of the Law.
the 10 commandments was also called the "words the covenant" Ex 34:28 in reference to the Sinai covenant.

The Ten Commandments were not written in the book, they were written on stone placed inside the ark of the covenant. Exo 40:20 Exo 31:18 The book was placed outside. Deut 31:24-26

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Save your fingers and let the insults roll off. You won't convince them that their words are inappropriate because to them, we're profligate sinners who warrant such mistreatment.

I do it to expose their method of polarizing the discussion with mischaracterizations

 

[SabbathBlessing]

The sabbath is kept under the New Covenant when we "Believe" the Gospel.

If we believe the gospel we would believe Jesus when He said repent (of sin-for breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4) - the Kingdom of God is at hand.

I think this is going to be a tough sell, Jesus I committed adultery and never repented for it and changed my ways, and I broke the Sabbath commandment, but I believe the gospel. In scripture you break one commandment you break them all. James 2:10-12 They were never edited and man cannot edit what God wrote with His own finger. Our salvation is from sin, we are not saved in our sin Heb 10:26-30.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The Ten Commandments were not written in the book, they were written on stone placed inside the ark of the covenant. The book was placed outside.

Oh... How did you find the stone tablets to be able to know what they say?

 

[Pasifika]

The Ten Commandments were not written in the book, they were written on stone placed inside the ark of the covenant. The book was placed outside.

Ex 34:21. Six days you should labor, but the seventh day you shall rest..
Ex34:27. Then the Lord said to Moses, "write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant You and with Israel ..

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Oh... How did you find the stone tablets to be able to know what they say?

The Bible is not “the book of the law”. The book of the law was the law of Moses that He wrote on paper. The Ten Commandments is what God wrote and claimed His unit of Ten as “My commandments” that was inside the ark of the covenant. Your disagreement is not really with me.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Ex 34:21. Six days you should labor, but the seventh day you shall rest..
Ex34:27. Then the Lord said to Moses, "write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant You and with Israel ..

You left out the next verse for some reason. This is referring to what Moses wrote down in a book.

What did God write?


Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He(God) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the [a]Ten Commandments.

It can’t get any plainer than this

 

[Pasifika]

If we believe the gospel we would believe Jesus when He said repent (of sin-for breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4) - the Kingdom of God is at hand.

I think this is going to be a tough sell, Jesus I committed adultery and never repented for it and changed my ways, and I broke the Sabbath commandment, but I believe the gospel. In scripture you break one commandment you break them all. James 2:10-12 They were never edited and man cannot edit what God wrote with His own finger. Our salvation is from sin, we are not saved in our sin Heb 10:26-30.

if we believe we will never Sin again. If you still sin then keeping sabbath command still void

 

[SabbathBlessing]

if we believe we will never Sin again. If you still sin then keeping sabbath command still void

Yes, a Christian should not be living in perpetual sin and if they are I would be spending more time in prayer. If we slip and fall, we can go to Jesus who is now our High Priest instead of bringing an animal to sacrifice, and when we repent, confess to Him He cleanses us (gives us grace) but then says go and sin no more- right back under the law, but sin should be painful and if its not, I would consider spending a lot more time in prayer. Through Jesus we can gain victory John 14:15-18 its the other spirit telling us we can’t.

 

[Pasifika]

You left out the next verse for some reason. This is referring to what Moses wrote down in a book.

What did God write?


Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He(God) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the [a]Ten Commandments.

It can’t get any plainer than this

So both Moses and God wrote the commandments. Moses wrote in the book and God on tablet of stones.

So what covenant is it then? the 10 commandments in the verse you quote Ex 34:28? isnt it the Old covenant in Sinai?

 

[SabbathBlessing]

So both Moses and God wrote the commandments. Moses wrote in the book and God on tablet of stones.

So what covenant is it then? the 10 commandments in the verse you quote Ex 34:28? isnt it the Old covenant in Sinai?

Moses I am sure wrote them down but it doesn’t change anything, that ONLY the Ten Commandments was inside the ark, written in stone by the finger of God. It was God’s work Exo 32:16, not Moses. There is no greater Authority than God and its sad people can’t seem to see this. Like man could edit what God personally wrote and people seems to think thats just fine despite Jesus saying not a jot or tittle can pass from His law because no one is above God.

Anyway, we have been through this too many times. You will not change my mind, I will not change yours, Jesus will have to sort everything out and He will soon enough.

Take care

 

[Pasifika]

Yes, a Christian should not be living in perpetual sin and if they are I would be spending more time in prayer. If we slip and fall, we can go to Jesus who is now our High Priest instead of bringing an animal to sacrifice, and when we repent, confess to Him He cleanses us (gives us grace) but then says go and sin no more- right back under the law, but sin should be painful and if its not, I would consider spending a lot more time in prayer. Through Jesus we can gain victory John 14:15-18 its the other spirit telling us we can’t.

if you still slip and fall then you haven't get to the stage where you deemed an "overcomer" (overcome sin)

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The Bible is not “the book of the law”. The book of the law was the law of Moses that He wrote on paper. The Ten Commandments is what God wrote and claimed His unit of Ten as “My commandments” that was inside the ark of the covenant. Your disagreement is not really with me.

Your logic evades me

• The Bible is not “the book of the law”
• The book of the law was the law of Moses that He wrote on paper

What Moses wrote down is the first 5 books of the bible

 

[SabbathBlessing]

if you still slip and fall then you haven't get to the stage where you deemed an "overcomer" (overcome sin)

If we confess our sins, He is faithful to cleanse us of all sin and unrighteousness 1 John 2:9 so you are wrong.

But as stated someone in Christ should not be living in perpetual sin. Sin is breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4 His version James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 not ours

Jesus said He has a people who overcome and they keep His commandments

John 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. Through His power John 14:15 we have to cooperate with Him. Rebelling against His law, is not the way to do this Rom 8:7-8