Age Difference

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What would be the problem in finding a repentant partner who is no longer a virgin? I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.
I'm surprised to read this because the above picture is what I see with many single women who claim it's hard to find anyone interested in them. I obviously can't refute your lived experience, but I pray everyone can get their righteous desire answered by God.
Once again, thank you for your input. I will engage more tomorrow. God bless you sister.
I appreciate your detailed replies. Please forgive my typos -- I usually have a few here and there, but it's the end of the day -- and the witching hour in which my brain is rapidly turning to mush. :)

A repentant non-virgin partner is no problem.

But as pointed out in my post. I'm thinking more of the example in which someone is actively looking to replace their current spouse with someone younger, prettier, or richer.

If a 50-year-old man and a 20-year-old woman fall in love and believe God wants them to marry, who am I to judge?

But if the man left his 45-year-old wife and 3 kids for Miss 20, then I can't be so agreeable.

Likewise...

I think it's always important to talk about both sides of the story when discussing these subjects.

If a woman fell in love with a man making $400,000 a year and believed God wanted them to get married, how could I protest?

But if that woman left her $40,000 a year husband and uprooted their 3 kids to run off with Mr. $400,000, then I would think there's a problem.
 
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I'm surprised to read this because the above picture is what I see with many single women who claim it's hard to find anyone interested in them. I obviously can't refute your lived experience, but I pray everyone can get their righteous desire answered by God.
Once again, thank you for your input. I will engage more tomorrow. God bless you sister.

One thought I had while looking at this comic -- I do agree that there is some truth to this.

I've read the common complaint that men receive mostly rejection and never get replies on dating sites, but I always wonder how much of this has to do with Christian culture. In most circles I've been part of, the man is to to be the pursuer and the woman is to be pursued. Some Christian communities believe women are not ever to pursue, (some even say it would be a sin,) so I do think that can be part of it.

And here is yet another funny double standard of modern life:

1. You mentioned in your post that women who work and earn money are now demanding to be an equal, or at least more prominent partner in a marriage.

2. On the flipside, many men seem to think that since women are working and have independent lives, they should also be equally responsible for pursuing the man.

I understand that no one wants to be rejected, but there seems to be a this assumption that women are now expected to help pay the bills, but be good submissive wives -- and yet also actively pursue the men to be their husbands before marriage.

"Be bold, get out there and show him a sign, offer to take him out on a date! But once you get married, no, no, no. You have to go sit in the corner and be quiet and submit and never show initiative again!" Talk about mixed signals.

Here's another problem I see with that double standard.

Yes, there are plenty of times when women are guilty of rejecting nice guys. It's been said in this very Single's Forum before that some women would even reject Jesus if He showed up on their doorstep.

But let me also tell you about all the women I know who are humble, hard-working servants of the Lord, still virgins, but maybe a bit heavier or "plainer" in the looks department.

And do you know what happens? They're immediately passed over for the ex-stripper who just became a Christian, is trying to get off drugs, and is still struggling with leaving her old life behind. But she's also a 15 on a scale of 1-10, and every guy in the church knows it. All other women fade away in her presence, and no male in the church is interested in anyone but her (true story from a church I once attended.)

I'm certainly not knocking the repentant young lady who is trying to turn her life around. I applaud anyone who comes to Christ and have spent a lot of time talking to people with darker pasts than most.

But what I am saying is that these guys are doing the exact same thing as the girl pictured in this meme -- it's just packaged up in another way.

Another problem, and I'm sure some guys have dealt with this, too -- are pursuers who are just a bit too desperate, and maybe even on the verge of being a stalker.

I don't know how long you've been reading this forum, but over the years, we've had SO. MANY. single people say that they are DESPERATE to get married. And if you read in between the lines -- plain and simple, it's because they want to have sex. Now to their credite, they are trying to follow the infamous "for it is better to marry than to burn with passion" verse we've all been told a million times.

The problem is that many, many people come across as if they would gladly grab most anyone of the opposite gender who had anything in common with them and any sort of interest -- and immediately turn that person into their own personal sex outlet.

We've seen that time and time again here. Well-meaning people, trying to find a Biblical answer, but coming across as if they will hunt down and capture ANYONE with the right body parts who might possible be interested in offering relief for their suffering.

And it's NOT AT ALL attractive to be the victim of someone's affections who is coming across as wanting to possess you -- or anyone else -- as their own experimental doll.

I'm sure men have gotten this vibe from some women, too. I can only speak of my own experience as a woman, and I can tell tell you I've gotten that feeling from guys over the years -- and again, it's another big part of why I'm single.

May I suggest a much more realistic version of that meme/comic above:

1. For the female version, instead of all the male hands trying to push through the door with flowers and hearts, portray it with what so many guys are trapped with instead of a real woman.

Instead of flowers and hearts, they're holding up images, videos, fantasies of surgically enhanced body parts and actions -- that no real woman could actually live up to.

No wonder she isn't opening the door.

2. And for the male version -- show the femaie hands holding Tik Tok images of people with perfect lives, beautiful kids on exotic vacations, coming back to beautiful houses -- all of which these women expect HIM to fulfill for them.

No wonder the poor guy is sitting there alone.


I certainly don't have the answers. But doesn't it seem obvious?


And it's astounding to me that people seem to wonder why everyone is so lonely in this world.
 
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Soulsearch, you explained it well, and it is true; as Smoke said, yes, we won't openly admit this, but this is exactly the heart of the matter and what women object to. It is also tragic, as I don't understand how men only consider the first flush of beauty to be our peak. When I think women get more beautiful as they age, certainly more graceful.
 
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Soulsearch, you explained it well, and it is true; as Smoke said, yes, we won't openly admit this, but this is exactly the heart of the matter and what women object to. It is also tragic, as I don't understand how men only consider the first flush of beauty to be our peak. When I think women get more beautiful as they age, certainly more graceful.
I strongly believe issues like this need to be spoken about from both angles.

It seems that men who are in favor of only choosing the most beautiful women should also be ok with women choosing men who are equally as beautiful and/or the best providers.

This is something I talk to God about often.

After Job went through his trials and lost all his children, he has 3 daughters to replace the ones he lost. The Bible specifically notes that nowhere else in the land could any woman be found who was more beautiful than Job's daughters.

Beauty can clearly be a blessing from God.

But I have often asked God, "If men, including men who believe in You, want nothing to do with women deemed ugly or are daring enough to live past the age of 30 (because You will us to,) what do YOU have for us instead, Lord?"

I often wonder what God's will is for all the women who aren't pretty, young, or fertile enough to be seen as worthy of a husband, because that's going to be the majority of women.

And the men will then say they can't find wives... (it's the male version of the comic posted above.)
 
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People just have to be realistic and tune out social media. If you don't like something about yourself physically try to improve yourself but only if it's within your control. For example I used to be fat and I've lost the weight but I'm short and nothing in the world will change me being 5'6 . That already puts me out of the running as far as most women criteria goes. Just have to make peace with it and move on
 

MsMediator

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Sure, perhaps in a particular case the 18 year old is at a disadvantage. It's certainly possible. Nevertheless, was there anything offensive in what I said?

To engage in your point though, anything is possible, right? Maybe the older adult is at a more disadvantage in terms of resources but otherwise doesn't mind. If it's that 18 year olds are too immature, then we should really consider the age of consent and when a human becomes an adult. I don't disagree than generally, there is a correlation with "age" and "maturity", but that isn't really what we are talking here. Where is the moral argument in two consenting adults with an age gap? Is there one?
Two consenting adults above 18 who fall in love...I think that is fine and I really do not care. I am not jealous of younger women. However, if it is a sugar daddy type of relationship even if they are consenting, that is morally wrong.
 

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Soulsearch, you explained it well, and it is true; as Smoke said, yes, we won't openly admit this, but this is exactly the heart of the matter and what women object to. It is also tragic, as I don't understand how men only consider the first flush of beauty to be our peak. When I think women get more beautiful as they age, certainly more graceful.
Speaking only of physical attributes and according to worldly standards, many women get more beautiful and graceful as they age, however many do not. Same applies to men, some age well and some do not. I heard stories of women fearing of getting old and aged, however I have not known too many (hardly any) who have had a breakdown or crisis over getting old. Most women I have known either do not care about their looks as they age, or try to maintain their youth through skin care, etc. but nothing too extreme. Nowadays it is becoming more common for women to not hide their age, as more and more women (even single women) in their 30s and older are not dying their gray hair. More and more men find gray strands on women attractive, even younger men in their 20s.
 

Lynx

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I think the main protest against couples with large age gaps is that you usually don't find a 50-year-old man who is still a virgin and marrying a 20-year-old as his first wife or sex partner.
Weeeeeell... I'm only three years and a couple months from being one of those myself. ;)
 

Lynx

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People just have to be realistic and tune out social media. If you don't like something about yourself physically try to improve yourself but only if it's within your control. For example I used to be fat and I've lost the weight but I'm short and nothing in the world will change me being 5'6 . That already puts me out of the running as far as most women criteria goes. Just have to make peace with it and move on
I'm only 5 feet 7 inches myself.

I consider it a handy filter. If I was taller I'd have to try a LOT harder to filter out superficial girls. At 5/7 I don't have to try at all. They don't waste my time and theirs and I get on with my life.
 

Smoke

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I appreciate your detailed replies. Please forgive my typos -- I usually have a few here and there, but it's the end of the day -- and the witching hour in which my brain is rapidly turning to mush. :)

A repentant non-virgin partner is no problem.

But as pointed out in my post. I'm thinking more of the example in which someone is actively looking to replace their current spouse with someone younger, prettier, or richer.

If a 50-year-old man and a 20-year-old woman fall in love and believe God wants them to marry, who am I to judge?

But if the man left his 45-year-old wife and 3 kids for Miss 20, then I can't be so agreeable.

Likewise...

I think it's always important to talk about both sides of the story when discussing these subjects.

If a woman fell in love with a man making $400,000 a year and believed God wanted them to get married, how could I protest?

But if that woman left her $40,000 a year husband and uprooted their 3 kids to run off with Mr. $400,000, then I would think there's a problem.
I do agree with this post. It's just that we can hand craft many scenarios which could make an age gap relationship good or bad depending on external factors. My point is that when we take away those external factors and look at the fact there exist an age gap, one cannot make an unbiased/prejudice-free statement about the couple simply because one is a young adult and the other is older. It's not the age gap that is the issue, it's something else. If it was innately age related, no one has brought a moral argument against it, only scenarios outside of the age gap which are morally wrong.
 

Lynx

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If it was innately age related, no one has brought a moral argument against it, only scenarios outside of the age gap which are morally wrong.
Well... I mean... Dude got a point.
 

Smoke

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People just have to be realistic and tune out social media. If you don't like something about yourself physically try to improve yourself but only if it's within your control. For example I used to be fat and I've lost the weight but I'm short and nothing in the world will change me being 5'6 . That already puts me out of the running as far as most women criteria goes. Just have to make peace with it and move on
Very well said brother. Just out of curiosity, have you seen or heard about that insane surgery to lengthen the tibia or femur bone by inserting a rod and slowly extending it over time? People go through great lengths to change things about them and it's wild when considering the many negative consequences from a surgery such as this.
 

Lynx

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Very well said brother. Just out of curiosity, have you seen or heard about that insane surgery to lengthen the tibia or femur bone by inserting a rod and slowly extending it over time? People go through great lengths to change things about them and it's wild when considering the many negative consequences from a surgery such as this.
"I wish I was a little bit taller
I wish I was a baller
I wish I had a girl who looked good
I would call her
I wish I had a rabbit in a hat
With a bat
And a six four Impala"
 

seoulsearch

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People just have to be realistic and tune out social media. If you don't like something about yourself physically try to improve yourself but only if it's within your control. For example I used to be fat and I've lost the weight but I'm short and nothing in the world will change me being 5'6 . That already puts me out of the running as far as most women criteria goes. Just have to make peace with it and move on
Just for the record, from the pictures you've posted, you're a good-looking guy with a witty, insightful personality.

Congrats on the weight loss -- what tips would you give others for losing weight?

And don't worry too much about the height.

Now it's true that you might not land some 6' Amazon babe, but I've known lots of short girls who wouldn't mind if a guy is more in their height range. :)
 

Smoke

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I'm only 5 feet 7 inches myself.

I consider it a handy filter. If I was taller I'd have to try a LOT harder to filter out superficial girls. At 5/7 I don't have to try at all. They don't waste my time and theirs and I get on with my life.

Made me think of this meme I saw recently.
 

seoulsearch

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I just don't understand how it's morally wrong for a man to be attracted to an adult female at the peak of her beauty especially when we consider she is at her prime to carry his children. I'm all ears though.
If it was innately age related, no one has brought a moral argument against it, only scenarios outside of the age gap which are morally wrong.
I do think there comes a point where large age gaps can become a moral problem.

I wrote a thread years ago asking if a man insists on marrying a woman half his age, who does he expect to take care of her and their children after he dies? Most especially if he has always been the sole breadwinner and leaves her with no real job skills or means to support their family.

I can't remember a single person answering that the older man should be in charge of leaving his wife and children an inheritance, and I can understand this, as I am NOT AT ALL trying to advocate that women should only marry men with money. But what really shocked me is that I think maybe one guy at most even thought to mention a life insurance policy. This had me wondering, "Does anyone think about/worry what will happen to their family if they die? And if so, what do they do about it?"

What I found disturbing was that this seemed to imply a feeling of, "I can marry this young hot thing, but when I die, that's her problem to deal with. She's no longer my responsibility, and neither are our kids." How much does God hold a man (parent) responsible for his (their) kids, even after death? The Bible says that parents are to store up an inheritance for their children.

If someone is several years older, has, and/or develops life-threatening medical conditions, I would think this would bring up some very serious moral questions about the couple's future, especially if they want to have kids. Now of course, you could run into the classic gold digger scenario as well.

But your posts seem centered around the insistence of age-gapped couples who genuinely love each other, so let's go from there.

I grew up in a family with a stay-at-home mom and a dad with a very stressful job. One of the things my parents talked about regularly (even though they were only 2 years apart,) was savings and life insurance, because my Dad's biggest fear was keeling over from a heart attack and leaving my Mom destitute with a young family. I don't know if this is an anomoly in Christian families, but I never hear anyone else talking about it.

Yes, of course God can miraculously heal, but I wouldn't bet a future family just on hoping for a miracle. Years ago I read about a Hollywood celebrity who was much older and passed away, leaving behind a young widow and their young son. He left her plenty of money to survive on, but the thing she was having problems with was finding any kind of support or community for women who were left widowed with a child at age 33 (except, perhaps, for military spouses -- but even then, her situation was quite unique.)

This raises all kinds of questions about the morality of the age at which one should be able to parent a child. If a man is 70 and has a serious heart condition, should he pass himself off as a perfectly viable father to a 25-year-old who wants children?

If he marries a woman who already has very young children herself, what responsibility, if any, does have towards them if/when he dies?

And as I think you can deduct from my posts, I am a firm believer in moral dilemmas going both ways. Years ago, I read about a woman who insisted on every available medical treatment to become pregnant in her 60's. She had twin boys -- only to die 2 years later and I don't think she even had a partner or husband, leaving the boys as orphans. This might sound cold of me, but I don't think she should have pursued motherhood in those conditions.

No, we can't know the future, so we have this uncomfortable line to walk of not being fearful, but consider the best interests of everyone involved. I think we have to made responsible choices with the information we have, no matter what age.

And of course, it's a different picture if both parties are adamant about not wanting to have children.

But I've seen more than one Christian marriage fall apart because they both SAID they didn't want children when marrying, but then one changed their mind after some time, and eventually decided, "If you can't/won't give me children, I'm going to go find someone who can."
 

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Very well said brother. Just out of curiosity, have you seen or heard about that insane surgery to lengthen the tibia or femur bone by inserting a rod and slowly extending it over time? People go through great lengths to change things about them and it's wild when considering the many negative consequences from a surgery such as this.
Sounds like a good way to screw up your body, no way am I even considering that! Yeah some people will do anything....