Woman first....what do you think?
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I know she was 
. Her husband also blamed her when he made the decision to follow her in transgression. Which is what some men in the church are doing today, blaming issues on "prideful women" rather than men shirking their spiritual responsibilities. If you feel that male-ness alone is a mandate from God to be a strong leader, then shouldn't a fallen, prideful woman be no match for a spiritual male?
I'm curious what your point is, your OP was an interesting premise but you seem to have spiraled away from it. Clarify?
Take your time with your response!
. Her husband also blamed her when he made the decision to follow her in transgression. Which is what some men in the church are doing today, blaming issues on "prideful women" rather than men shirking their spiritual responsibilities. If you feel that male-ness alone is a mandate from God to be a strong leader, then shouldn't a fallen, prideful woman be no match for a spiritual male?I'm curious what your point is, your OP was an interesting premise but you seem to have spiraled away from it. Clarify?
Take your time with your response!
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….yeah I never said anything about man and women sharing the same roles nor did I mention what Paul said about eve being deceived had neither point had anything to do eith what I had said in reply to the op
nor was I talking about the marriage structure wheras a husband is the head of his wife . Not that all men are the head of all women or all women must submit to all men . Or women are less than a man anything like that as some seem to think what I had said is
God doesn’t care if a person is a man or a women he sees us not by our flesh identity or gender but by the spirit redeemed through Jesus that has no gender role he sees us by the lives we live in his son
nor was I talking about the marriage structure wheras a husband is the head of his wife . Not that all men are the head of all women or all women must submit to all men . Or women are less than a man anything like that as some seem to think what I had said is
God doesn’t care if a person is a man or a women he sees us not by our flesh identity or gender but by the spirit redeemed through Jesus that has no gender role he sees us by the lives we live in his son
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Yeah I hadn’t said anything about teaching in the church…..or again gender roles in society lol or anything like that I had responded to the op in unrelated subject you may have my post mixed up with another
But consider that Jesus looks at us like this my friend
“While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”
Matthew 12:46-50 KJV
Family.
“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”
Genesis 1:27
“This is the book of the generations of Adam.
In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.”
Genesis 5:1-2
“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
Acts 8:12 KJV
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27-29
consider peters first revelation from the prophet Joel after receiving the spirit and beginning to speak by it
“But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: ……And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Acts 2:16-18, 21
I believe God can use women and does use them as he does men to spread the message of the gospel. Truly very very very few men are actually qualified to have any spiritual authority over anyone else . And very few are in that position to be leading a congregation which isnt what I was talking about . I think gender doesn’t qualify anyone but being called and made able and given a commission by God does like for instance Mary when she became the first witness of Jesus resurrection.
I get it though some of them didn’t believe her either … those silly women and all lol always a gossipin’ 😅😅
But consider that Jesus looks at us like this my friend
“While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”
Matthew 12:46-50 KJV
Family.
“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”
Genesis 1:27
“This is the book of the generations of Adam.
In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.”
Genesis 5:1-2
“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
Acts 8:12 KJV
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27-29
consider peters first revelation from the prophet Joel after receiving the spirit and beginning to speak by it
“But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: ……And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Acts 2:16-18, 21
I believe God can use women and does use them as he does men to spread the message of the gospel. Truly very very very few men are actually qualified to have any spiritual authority over anyone else . And very few are in that position to be leading a congregation which isnt what I was talking about . I think gender doesn’t qualify anyone but being called and made able and given a commission by God does like for instance Mary when she became the first witness of Jesus resurrection.
I get it though some of them didn’t believe her either … those silly women and all lol always a gossipin’ 😅😅
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This makes me wonder who the first person was that exercised faith in God's word. Of course, Abram is infamous for faith according to Hebrews 11...
but Eve, going on God's promise of her seed, at seeing that she had brought forth a son, exclaimed that she had brought forth a man ("ish," which typically indicates a husband, in comparison to the typical "ha adam' man) believed that she had brought forth the [et; a word that is not uttered but is indicated by the first and the last letters of the Hebrew alphabet as 'the' LORD] when she gave birth to Cain. Although it turned out that it was their second son, Abel, who "in faith offered..." Eve's initial reaction to Cain shows that she faithfully expected the promised child, Jesus.
but Eve, going on God's promise of her seed, at seeing that she had brought forth a son, exclaimed that she had brought forth a man ("ish," which typically indicates a husband, in comparison to the typical "ha adam' man) believed that she had brought forth the [et; a word that is not uttered but is indicated by the first and the last letters of the Hebrew alphabet as 'the' LORD] when she gave birth to Cain. Although it turned out that it was their second son, Abel, who "in faith offered..." Eve's initial reaction to Cain shows that she faithfully expected the promised child, Jesus.
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If you had done your homework, you would know that those words don’t appear in the law… anywhere, so they aren’t “God’s words” at all. Paul is likely quoting a statement from someone else. Paul expresses surprise at this idea and rips it apart saying, “Did the word of God come only to you” (man)?
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Psst… “infamous” means famous for the wrong reasons.
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I know she was . Her husband also blamed her when he made the decision to follow her in transgression. Which is what some men in the church are doing today, blaming issues on "prideful women" rather than men shirking their spiritual responsibilities. If you feel that male-ness alone is a mandate from God to be a strong leader, then shouldn't a fallen, prideful woman be no match for a spiritual male?
I'm curious what your point is, your OP was an interesting premise but you seem to have spiraled away from it. Clarify?
Take your time with your response!
. Her husband also blamed her when he made the decision to follow her in transgression. Which is what some men in the church are doing today, blaming issues on "prideful women" rather than men shirking their spiritual responsibilities. If you feel that male-ness alone is a mandate from God to be a strong leader, then shouldn't a fallen, prideful woman be no match for a spiritual male?I'm curious what your point is, your OP was an interesting premise but you seem to have spiraled away from it. Clarify?
Take your time with your response!
1Ti 2:14
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1Ti 2:15
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
To your point, what was the result of Eve's deception? It was simply this.
Gen 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
In other words, Eve's deception resulted in women having sorrow in conception, and in women (wives, in context) having a desire to rule over their own husbands.
What about Adam?
Unlike Eve, he was not deceived, but his actions were the result of direct disobedience to what the LORD had commanded him, and the results or consequences of his willful disobedience far outweigh the results of Eve's deception.
For example:
Gen 3:17
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18
Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return
The direct results or consequences of Adam's willful disobedience were a cursed ground, and physical death, or man returning to the ground/dust from which he was initially formed.
As Paul said:
Rom 5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Rom 5:15
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Rom 5:16
And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
Rom 5:17
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Rom 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Rom 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Rom 5:20
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Rom 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
It was by Adam's sin or willful disobedience that many were made sinners, and it is through his offence that death reigned by one. Furthermore, Adam's disobedience brought judgment upon all men to condemnation. Worse still, as Paul went on to explain, Adam's disobedience negatively affected creation itself.
Rom 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Rom 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Here, creation is likened to a pregnant woman who is groaning and travailing in pain as she is waiting to be delivered from the bondage of corruption. Who subjected it to this bondage or corruption? Him, Adam, who has subjected the same through his act of willful disobedience.
Anyhow, my point, which pertains to your point, is this:
MAN, and not woman, is primarily responsible for this earth's mess, so, rather than men slinging insults at women (not that many women aren't exceedingly sinful themselves), or rather than men seeking to blame all of this world's problems upon women, how about men start taking accountability for their own actions while stepping up to the plate and doing what God ordained them to do.
Sounds like a plan to me...
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Well I just arrived on this thread and I have not read the entire thing but this quote from the op on the first page is more than a little selective in a very prejudicial sense and seems to serve an agenda.
What makes you the expert or wanna be teacher here, with but 3 years saved and not being married? What experience do you have to make a very sweeping statement that 'we' are seeing fallen women having a prideful desire for equality and or superiority' and that it is a widespread problem in churches ALL over? Worse, how do you perceive that opinion to be proven by the book of Romans?
I do not hesitate to say that you are playing fast and loose with the book of Romans and this has led to your silly determination that somehow God only speaks to address your perceptions of women, garnered most likely from men who like to blame women for most things just like Adam did when God tapped him on the shoulder with regards to his eating the forbidden fruit IRREGARDLESS of the fact he tried to blame Eve. You know, God did not accept that blame then and I doubt He does so now.
What makes you the expert or wanna be teacher here, with but 3 years saved and not being married? What experience do you have to make a very sweeping statement that 'we' are seeing fallen women having a prideful desire for equality and or superiority' and that it is a widespread problem in churches ALL over? Worse, how do you perceive that opinion to be proven by the book of Romans?
I do not hesitate to say that you are playing fast and loose with the book of Romans and this has led to your silly determination that somehow God only speaks to address your perceptions of women, garnered most likely from men who like to blame women for most things just like Adam did when God tapped him on the shoulder with regards to his eating the forbidden fruit IRREGARDLESS of the fact he tried to blame Eve. You know, God did not accept that blame then and I doubt He does so now.
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I don't know how well acquainted you are with men (yr profile is not available so I don't know which gender you are), but men gossip quite admirably in every sense and are far from keeping secrets or being the guardians of juicy news, anymore than any woman. And the Bible no where states that Jesus died especially for women. That's almost funny but for the fact that if that is what you think, you need to study up on that particular notion.
Well for one, the Bible mentions Peter's MIL. Matt. 8: 14-15 There is nothing in scripture that prevents any person from desiring to be a disciple of Christ (actually we are ALL disciples of Christ if we follow Him) from to marry, just as there is nothing in scripture that states you should not be married.
There is actually only one stipulation with regards to marriage wherein in seems an 'overseer' should be married. It would be preferable for many reasons; one being that he should not be tempted in obvious ways. For that matter, and since you seem to be so interested in sin in churches, are you not aware of all the situations in which pastors or other men in positions of authority have seduced and had sex with members of their congregations? You know, you really seem to pride yourself on your 'knowledge', but it is not evident in what your present as proof of what you are writing here.
Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. I Tim. 3: 2-5
There is a reason why Christians young in their faith should not desire to teach as it seems you desire or are trying to do.
There is actually only one stipulation with regards to marriage wherein in seems an 'overseer' should be married. It would be preferable for many reasons; one being that he should not be tempted in obvious ways. For that matter, and since you seem to be so interested in sin in churches, are you not aware of all the situations in which pastors or other men in positions of authority have seduced and had sex with members of their congregations? You know, you really seem to pride yourself on your 'knowledge', but it is not evident in what your present as proof of what you are writing here.
Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. I Tim. 3: 2-5
There is a reason why Christians young in their faith should not desire to teach as it seems you desire or are trying to do.
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Hey hey Zeke, good morning! Coffee? .
We can have it over some juicy gossip. Have you heard the latest?
Some believe that universal axioms spoken by Jesus Christ do not apply to them!!!
We can have it over some juicy gossip. Have you heard the latest?
Some believe that universal axioms spoken by Jesus Christ do not apply to them!!!
favorite show ever
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