Understanding God’s election

[Rufus]

Can a Calvinist stop being a slave to TULIP?

Can the unregenerate stop being in bondage to their sin nature and the devil?

 

[Rufus]

Are all believers going to receive a resurrection body, just like the Lord's glorious heavenly body?

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“For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, ​

and the two will become one flesh.” This is a profound mystery—but I am talking ​

about Christ and the church." Ephesians 5:31-32​

God wants us to understand that.

In Eternity, not all believers were predestined to be born to believe during the Church age!
That means? Not all chosen to become the Church!

Not all believers were Chosen in Him to be resurrected as His Bride!

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“For this reason a man will leave his father and mother ​

and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” ​

This is a profound mystery—but I am talking ​

about Christ and the church." Ephesians 5:31-32​

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Why must some persist in not understanding what it is telling us?
Is unwavering loyalty to one's church dogma of higher importance?

What does your question have to do with being in Adam or the Last Adam?

But I do have a question for you since you don't understand the Eph 5 passage you quoted above. When the OT saints died, where did their souls go?

 

[Rufus]

So the dead don't speak to anyone?

1 Samuel 28-7
Then Saul said to his servants, “Seek out for me a woman who is a witch, that I may go to her and inquire of her.”
And his servants said to him, “Behold, there is a witch at Endor.”

Do you remember the narration.

The dead have spoken to the living.

Do you think that witch herself called up Samuel to speak to Saul or did that happen by God's hand?

Do any of your deceased friends or relatives speak to you? Or you to them. Do you conjure them up?

 

[brightfame52]

Can the unregenerate stop being in bondage to their sin nature and the devil?

No sir

 

[Rufus]

OOk... I'll play stupid.

Who were the saints being addressed?

As though you haven't all this time?

 

[Rufus]

Jacob stands for Israel and Esau represents Edom.

As I said before, rogerg.

Paul is not talking about individuals but nations and sub-divisions within nations.

Your missing the wider context.

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God does not hate like we hate each other.

God is love and that is the dominating trait that was demonstrated in Christ.

God did not choose Edom but God did choose Israel.

Further on, God chose Judah.

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Romans 10:10
For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

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Yes, Paul is talking about five specific individuals in Rom 9. We must understand Paul on his own terms, on the basis of his reason for writing in their place (called the "occasion" for writing) and in the context of his own words. Paul did not have nations in mind. Paul in Rom 9 is explaining to his Gentile saints to whom he was writing that even though Israel has historically been an apostate nation -- a nation who largely rejected their Messiah, God's Word has not failed, neither has God rejected THOSE Jews whom He has foreknown from the foundation of the world.

Also, your interpretation serious conflicts with Rom 9:21. Explain to us, please, how THREE nations comprise ONE lump out of which God makes two? (Of course, if we throw Pharaoh into the mix, then we're dealing with four nations and two lumps!) What about all the other nations in the world? God didn't deal with them? All the other nations in the world, God has abandoned?

Also, which lump is the odd nation out!? God made Ishmael into a nation, Issac into a nation and Esau into a nation. So, where's the third lump or four if we toss in Egypt?

Finally, explain to us who or what the "same lump of clay" is from which God made two lumps of clay.

 

[Rufus]

So, your only teacher is the Holy Spirit, too?

Does the Holy Spirit ever show you where you are wrong?

So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers,
to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up "

Ephesians 4:11-12​

I detect incredulity in your question. The all-knowing, all-wise, infallible Holy Spirit isn't sufficient for the teaching task?

 

[Rufus]

Why did you answer that for Rufus, who thinks he has no need for teachers?
That all he needs is his bible and the Holy Spirit to show him all he needs to know.
That was the problem I was addressing.

I never said what I just highlighted above. Quit misrepresenting me, already.

 

[Rufus]

OK folks....

To some here:

I will not try to change you.
And, you will not be able to change me. Why?

It has been determined by now that we all are not one in the Spirit.

So, consider the following, and take it as from the Lord...

In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions ​

among you, and to some extent I believe it. No doubt there have to be factions among ​

you to show which of you have God’s approval. 1 Corinthians 11:18-19​

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No sense in continuing trying to convince me of your errors.
And, I will not do likewise with mine.

Time to unsubscribe to this thread.
It has already served its purpose.

grace and peace ...............

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Oh my...it appears the heat in the kitchen has become too much for the head chef of heresies to handle. Well...don't let the door hit you on the way out...

 

[Inquisitor]

Test

 

[Inquisitor]

False teaching

Are you claiming that the quotation from the scripture is a false teaching?

"God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city"

You may be following some traditional theology?

I will repeat what the sola scripture states.

"God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city"

Now you tell me why God can't take away someone's share.

Using only the scripture and not some traditional theology from Augustine.

 

[Inquisitor]

Simply trying to say that we have been saved by Christ's faith and His righteousness, not ours.
Given that I was not quite sure of your point, I made my best attempt to reply to it.
No biggie.

It is a biggie.

We become perfect when Jesus returns and not before.

Nothing is perfect in the here and now.

 

[Inquisitor]

Not exactly sure what you mean. Christ's faith wasn't/isn't temporal - it is eternal. Christ's name is Faithful AND TRUE.
And it was through Christ's faith and righteousness alone (not ours), that salvation was brought forth.

Correct, in that we have the righteousness of Christ now as a gift.

But we live in a body of flesh and the spirit within and we are in an internal conflict.

Our faith is necessary now but not when Jesus returns.

Our hope in Jesus is for now but not when Jesus returns.

Love I believe is the only gift that remains when Jesus returns.

1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God does not consist in talk but in power.

That is sola scripture.

1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God does not consist in talk but in power.

Tradition will nullify that power.

Sola scripture is the clarion call.

 

[Rufus]

It is a biggie.

We become perfect when Jesus returns and not before.

Nothing is perfect in the here and now.

Existentially that is true. However, the imputed righteousness of Christ which justifies all true believers "in the here and now" is perfect.

 

[lrs68]

Everyone of us were once a child so this verse is for every person ever born or conceived.

So it is not the will of my Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.

The real question is if as a child the Father doesn't want anyone to perish, why would that same sentiment change as an adult?

Truly the Father wants every human to be saved. Too bad most choose to reject God like Romans 1 explains.