Our Lord gave us 2 Commandments. According to him there is no greater commandments than these 2 commandments. What is the 1st Commandment?

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Mem

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My partial quote that you responded to pertained to what Jesus said, and not to what Paul said. Contextually, Jesus was definitely referring to the law of Moses.

Jhn 5:45
Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
Jhn 5:46
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
Jhn 5:47
But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

As far as Paul is concerned, he directly quoted Moses from Deuteronomy 30:11-14, and he did so in relation to the righteousness which is of faith.

Deu 30:11
For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deu 30:12
It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:13
Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:14
But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

Rom 10:6
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above)
Rom 10:7
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead)
Rom 10:8
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

The children of Israel had the gospel preached unto them, and they could have inherited eternal life through it. Unfortunately, the gospel was not mixed with faith in most who heard it.

Heb 4:2
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

In context, the them was the children of Israel.
Do you mean to equate the law with the gospel?
 

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The children of Israel had the gospel preached unto them, and they could have inherited eternal life through it. Unfortunately, the gospel was not mixed with faith in most who heard it.

Heb 4:2
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

In context, the them was the children of Israel.
Certainly. But the gospel included the end to the curse of the Law. God's original intent was not derailed by Israel's refusal to obey God at Sinai.

"The law as added because of transgressions."

Having concluded that all were under sin and the curse of the law, the gospel then included salvation from that curse AND the promises given to Abraham 430 years prior to Sinai and to Christ from the foundation of the world before time.

BTW: it's not like the gospel obtained a new function because of the Law rather, its power was sufficient to even remove the curse at Sinai.
 
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Certainly. But the gospel included the end to the curse of the Law. God's original intent was not derailed by Israel's refusal to obey God at Sinai.

"The law was added because of transgressions."

Having concluded that all were under sin and the curse of the law, the gospel then included salvation from that curse AND the promises given to Abraham 430 years prior to Sinai and to Christ from the foundation of the world before time.

BTW: it's not like the gospel obtained a new function because of the Law rather, its power was sufficient to even remove the curse at Sinai.
We are possibly/probably in total agreement, but I am not sure if I am understanding you correctly.

I definitely agree that Christ was foreordained to be the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world from before the foundation of the world (1 Pet. 1:18-20, John 1:29), and that definitely greatly preceded the giving of the law.

I also definitely agree that Abraham had the gospel preached unto him (Gal. 3:8) prior to the giving of the law, and that the covenant which was confirmed before of God in Christ was in no way disannulled when the law was added 430 afterwards (Gal. 3:17).

I also definitely agree that Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law while being made a curse for us (Gal. 3:13).

My only possible point of contention, and that is only IF I am reading you correctly (I might not be), is that I fully believe that Christ provided a means for the people of Moses' day to similarly be redeemed from the curse of the law through faith in him. If not, then nobody was saved for approximately 1500 years while the law was in effect, and I am hoping that you do not believe that. If you do not believe that people under the law could have been freed from the curse of the law through faith in Christ, then I definitely disagree with you on that point.
 

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@Mem pinpointed it exactly.

The Law at Sinai was only designed to preserve the current life of the Jews. That was God's promise through the Law at Sinai which includes the 10 Commandments. God kept His side of the covenant but the Jews could not keep theirs. That is why they became slaves to the Law and to God: they continued to live the lives God preserved through the covenant but they defaulted on their end. When that occurs, one side keeps the covenant and the other defaults, the ones who did not meet the requirements are debtors to the one who did. The problem was they owed God their lives, which is what He promised to preserve.

Life in Christ is not based on the covenant at Sinai. Because of Christ's sacrifice of His own life (which was required to end the curse of the Law) men who receive Christ as their Redeemer and Lord receive the same eternal life Jesus received upon His resurrection. This is the new life. Indeed it is new and not our old lives renovated; we died with Him when we receive Him. God the Father, then, gives new life to our mortal bodies.

Which bus the born again (new) life offered in the risen Christ, thanks Aaron

There is a gigantic difference, I think you explained it well to me anyways. I love Luke 21 where that woman gave little and the other rich person gave more than her. Jesus asked his disciples, who gave more? They supposed that rich man and Jesus corrected them.
The gigantic difference in first birth of flesh nature and the new birth in Father's Spirit and Truth that God seeks for us to see and be willing to be new
Wow is me
 

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My only possible point of contention, and that is only IF I am reading you correctly (I might not be), is that I fully believe that Christ provided a means for the people of Moses' day to similarly be redeemed from the curse of the law through faith in him. If not, then nobody was saved for approximately 1500 years while the law was in effect, and I am hoping that you do not believe that. If you do not believe that people under the law could have been freed from the curse of the law through faith in Christ, then I definitely disagree with you on that point.
I see.

Any who had faith beyond the confines of the Law would have been prisoners to Death until Christ appeared to them.

This is in the scriptures:

"And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.

51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many."


So, although the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, the benefits of that could not be seen until, in the fullness of time, the Lamb was slain in time and space.

So, even though their hope was in something greater than what was promised in the Law, they were still held by the curse of the Law until it was broken. Once broken (by accepting the blood of Christ as the propitiation for their sins) they could be returned to the covenant between God and God, the promises of which were given to Abraham. In this covenant, the new life they receive is a life not vulnerable to the way of the world but a life from eternity, suitable for an everlasting condition with the Lord.
 
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I see.

Any who had faith beyond the confines of the Law would have been prisoners to Death until Christ appeared to them.

This is in the scriptures:

"And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.

51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many."

So, although the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, the benefits of that could not be seen until, in the fullness of time, the Lamb was slain in time and space.

So, even though their hope was in something greater than what was promised in the Law, they were still held by the curse of the Law until it was broken. Once broken (by accepting the blood of Christ as the propitiation for their sins) they could be returned to the covenant between God and God, the promises of which were given to Abraham. In this covenant, the new life they receive is a life not vulnerable to the way of the world but a life from eternity, suitable for an everlasting condition with the Lord.
Under the new covenant or new testament, our bodies are still subject to death.

Rom 8:10
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

We (those under the new covenant), like they (those under the old covenant), have a hope of receiving glorified bodies at Christ's return.
 

Aaron56

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Under the new covenant or new testament, our bodies are still subject to death.

Rom 8:10
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

We (those under the new covenant), like they (those under the old covenant), have a hope of receiving glorified bodies at Christ's return.
"Death" was capital "d". As in the authority of.

Jesus did not receive the keys of death and hell until after He appeared as the Christ.

"All authority has been given to Me".

As proof, the graves opened up at the moment of His sacrifice.

Furthermore, it is given unto men once to die. We may die with the Lord or we may die in our sins.
 

homwardbound

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"Death" was capital "d". As in the authority of.

Jesus did not receive the keys of death and hell until after He appeared as the Christ.

"All authority has been given to Me".

As proof, the graves opened up at the moment of His sacrifice.

Furthermore, it is given unto men once to die. We may die with the Lord or we may die in our sins.
Whether we. live or die we are the Lord's wow
God, did not come to save our flesh, rather our Souls in his life giving Spirit for us, the risen Son to stand in belief to this truth, thanks
 

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MARK 12:29-31

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Amen!
 

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Hello @Godsgood, perhaps Matthew's Gospel can help shed some light on this for us?
Matthew 22
34 When the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together.
35 One of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him,
36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?
37 And He said to him, “ ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’
38 “This is the great and foremost commandment.
39 “The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’
40 “On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”
The Lord, in Mark's Gospel, begins His answer (to the scribe's question) by reciting the opening portion of the Jewish prayer & creed* that is known as "the Shema". The first "commandment" (of the two) then, is what follows immediately after the Shema (as the passage from Matthew makes a bit clearer for us above).

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy (David)



*("creed" means, "what we believe")
Amen!
 
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If we live by these two commandments we are fulfilling all the laws of Christ. God is Love and in Him there is no darkness at all.
The First Commandment is to “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’” If truly Love God that much His love will shine through you. 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] There is no commandment greater than these.” If you have the Love of God in you from loving God with your everything, You will automatically love others as you love yourself. It doesn’t even say love them more than you love yourself. We don’t have to take junk from people and abuse ourselves to love people. Just love them as you would yourself. Easy peasy if Gods love is in you. His fruits will shine forth out of you and you will want to,love others, because it will make you happy.
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Let us read as if we are listening when a scribe asked Jesus WHICH IS THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS?
This is what Jesus said.

MARK 12:28-31
28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.


Perhaps you have noticed that in the Verse 30 there is the word AND. It is because the verse 30 is just the continuation of the First Commandment in Verse 29.
The Original Bible have no Chapters & Verses, Man put these marks so it is easy to find the specific words written.

Without the number of verse written, the answer of Jesus is like this.

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.


Therefore: The First Commandment is we must know or Identify who is the One Lord and One God.
To Know then To Love.
 
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Let us read as if we are listening when a scribe asked Jesus WHICH IS THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS?
This is what Jesus said.

MARK 12:28-31
28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Perhaps you have noticed that in the Verse 30 there is the word AND. It is because the verse 30 is just the continuation of the First Commandment in Verse 29.
The Original Bible have no Chapters & Verses, Man put these marks so it is easy to find the specific words written.

Without the number of verse written, the answer of Jesus is like this.

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.


Therefore: The First Commandment is we must know or Identify who is the One Lord and One God.
To Know then To Love.
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If the First Commandment is what is written in Mark 12:29 and the verse 30 is just a continuation of the First Commandment.

Perhaps this verse will serve as a test.

We all know that there is ONLY ONE True God.
The First Commandment is To Know The One True God AND To Love Him.
Who can Identify The One True God Sitting in 1 Throne seen by Apostle John?
REVELATION 4:2
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne
 
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What I have noticed with Jesus answer on question, which is the first commandment of all?
Then Jesus said the first of all the commandment is HEAR, O ISRAEL; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD.

It seems like not a commandment but since Jesus said The First of All The Commandment is.
The First commandment then is HEAR, O ISRAEL; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD.

The completion of the first commandment was also expressed by God in the Old Testament:
DEUTORONOMY6:4-5
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
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And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might
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As we know that the Original Holy Bible has no Chapters and Verses.

The system of chapters and numbers was not added to the Bible until the 1550's. Then they originally had the numbers in the margin next to the verses rather than in the text itself as they did not (yet) consider them to be part of the text. So any Bible published before 1550 will not have chapters and verses.

The Chapters and Verses were just placed so it is easy to find a specific topic.

With the Original Holy Bible, here is the answer of The Lord Jesus Christ when he asked by one of the Scribes. "Which is the First Commandment of All?

This is what Jesus said on which is the First Commandment.:

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
 

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Love is a gift of the Holy Spirit, you don't generate agape love by legal obedience.

Galatians 3
So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by works of the Law,
or by hearing with faith
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Do you receive the Holy Spirit (agape love) by sabbath obedience?

Sabbath obedience is a work of the law!

You receive all gifts of the Holy Spirit by hearing with faith, Paul states.

Not drawing closer to God.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Agape love is from God but we need to allow it to happen.

God does not force us to love.
It is a choice.

The law is written on our hearts and minds.

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

We understand the laws and choose to follow them because they are in our MINDS. and we desire to follow them because they are in our HEARTS.

the 10 commandments are a great summery of the principles of agape love.
To love God with all your heart is what the first 4 covers and the next 6 covers our love for our neighbour's.

Rom 13:8-10
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
 

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Love can mean lots of things to different people.
Even agape love can mean different things. But God gave us the example of Jesus. Unselfish love in the life of Jesus.

He obeyed the Father and walked in Spirit.
Notice that He perfectly kept the 10 commandments..

How do people justify us only keeping the commandments that suit them. ?

True love will obey all the commandments.

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1Jn 5:2-3
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

These commandments are not new but have been around from the start.

God is love and the principle of love is what the universe is built on.

2Jn 1:5-6
5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another. 6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
 
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As we know that the Original Holy Bible has no Chapters and Verses.

The system of chapters and numbers was not added to the Bible until the 1550's. Then they originally had the numbers in the margin next to the verses rather than in the text itself as they did not (yet) consider them to be part of the text. So any Bible published before 1550 will not have chapters and verses.

The Chapters and Verses were just placed so it is easy to find a specific topic.

With the Original Holy Bible, here is the answer of The Lord Jesus Christ when he asked by one of the Scribes. "Which is the First Commandment of All?

This is what Jesus said on which is the First Commandment.:

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
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Whoever fulfilled The First Commandment can Identify The One True God Sitting in 1 Throne as Apostles John seen.
REVELATION 4:2
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

Who is the One True God Sitting on The Throne?
 

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The commandments of love are from the old testament. They are new to those that do not know them.

Can I keep the commandment of love and steal from my neighbor, or kill, or lie to my neighbors? Can I love God with all my heart and take His name in vain, or have other gods before Him, or forget the sabbath day by not keeping it holy?

Love is the keeping of the law.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

Mat 22:36-40
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

These 2 commandments do not replace or make the law void. They are the bases or foundation that the other laws hang on.
 
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Whoever fulfilled The First Commandment can Identify The One True God Sitting in 1 Throne as Apostles John seen.
REVELATION 4:2
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

Who is the One True God Sitting on The Throne?
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In the New Testament. The Jews Loved God, that is why they preached and fulfilling the Commandments in The Old Testament.
In our times today, Christianity Loves God that is why they are preaching and fulfilling The Word of God.
But since they don't know The One True God although they are serious in spreading the word of God, This is what Paul said to them.
ROME 10:2
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For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

And even they are fulfilling the laws, this is what God The Father tells about them.
JEREMIAH 4:22
22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me
; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

Mark 12:29-30 is the Complete Commandment of God as First Commandment of All.
We can't fulfill Verse 30 unless we fulfilled Verse 29
MARK 12:29-30
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
 

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MARK 12:29-31

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Okay. What’s your point?