Are giants the offspring of angels and humans?
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for example Joseph and Benjamin were born to Rachel, who stole her father's idols. the most wicked, but most beloved of Jacob's wives.
are therefore Joseph and Benjamin evil damnable people for whom the entire earth should be destroyed? simply because of who their mother is?
no. instead they are blessed - as was also Rachel
the religiously mixed view of Genesis 6 simply does not fit scripture.
see how easy it is to blow that idea up?
boom! done.
are therefore Joseph and Benjamin evil damnable people for whom the entire earth should be destroyed? simply because of who their mother is?
no. instead they are blessed - as was also Rachel
the religiously mixed view of Genesis 6 simply does not fit scripture.
see how easy it is to blow that idea up?
boom! done.
I think they were all one race. Cain left the scene and some, if not a lot, of the godly seed's descendents probably left to join them to fulfill soulish desires, like the righteous Lot left Abraham, while the godly seed remained by the gate of Eden. God destroyed everyone except Noah because their works were evil and there was no hope for them because they had left behind the revelation of God guarded by those mentioned in Genesis 5
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I haven't been following the discussion, so I'm not getting what you're implying. Jacob wasn't a wicked person, neither was Rachel, but the ungodly before the flood were because they had completely abandoned God. There were centuries between the time the godly sons of Adam started mixing with the ungodly women from Cain's line. Eventually all of those descendents became ungodly. If there were only a few godly souls left, what would be the point ot letting it continue? When Noah entered the ark he was the only one left. His father died 5 years earlier and his grandfather died the year of the flood.
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Oh waitress, it seems that my steak is slightly under cooked.
First, to address the "correct" Hebrew perception of the subject, we need to realize that this is disputed even among rabbinical interpretative schools of thought. But, I do hope that nobody feels it necessary to bring Lilith into the conversation. There is a school that parallels the angel baby daddy view, Kabbalah I think (though I certainly could be corrected), and another that parallels the Sethite view. The Sethite view addresses the
issue you brought up by the suggestion that Noah and his family's disembarking from the ark, while meant to begin on a totally clean slate as a fresh 'do over' was flubbed from the start by Noah himself by not following God's instruction to the jot and resulted in displacing the tittle, figuratively speaking. Noah and his wife were instructed to leave the ark in a different manner than they were instructed to board the ark, this time side by side and their sons and their wives were to follow suit. However, Noah went ahead of his wife and so did his sons. And so, they carried 'the issue' with them into the 'new beginning.'
First, to address the "correct" Hebrew perception of the subject, we need to realize that this is disputed even among rabbinical interpretative schools of thought. But, I do hope that nobody feels it necessary to bring Lilith into the conversation. There is a school that parallels the angel baby daddy view, Kabbalah I think (though I certainly could be corrected), and another that parallels the Sethite view. The Sethite view addresses the
issue you brought up by the suggestion that Noah and his family's disembarking from the ark, while meant to begin on a totally clean slate as a fresh 'do over' was flubbed from the start by Noah himself by not following God's instruction to the jot and resulted in displacing the tittle, figuratively speaking. Noah and his wife were instructed to leave the ark in a different manner than they were instructed to board the ark, this time side by side and their sons and their wives were to follow suit. However, Noah went ahead of his wife and so did his sons. And so, they carried 'the issue' with them into the 'new beginning.'
Which by the way, the Bible actually condones
Please consider
1 Corinthians 7:13-14
And a woman who has a husband who does not believe, if he is willing to live with her, let her not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy.
... which we should expect completely the opposite, for a marriage between a believer and unbeliever to be adamantly damned 20 times over, if @Pilgrimshope yoir view on Genesis 6 was correct, if the entire world would be at risk of irrevocable destruction because of such a union between any two human beings.Please consider
“which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
Luke 3:38 KJV
and it’s far fetched to think that men were and still are the sons of God and not angels brother ?
“who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. ( the angels aren’t hiers the sins are hiers )
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?
….And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire. …..Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
Hebrews 1:3-5, 7, 14 KJV
the hiers of God are mankind brother not the angels . Jesus became a man because we’re the sons.
“For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, In the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
Hebrews 2:10-14, 16-17 KJV
It just seems brother I should consider what throw says as well and it seems to be pretty clear and overwhelming
your looking at the ot and a certain line of humans. This line that receives the law later
“well then why do you believe God has not destroyed the entire world again for Christians marrying non Christians, or Jews marrying non Jews, and that Christians/believers or even true Israel are a physically hereditary group?”
because christianity doesn’t say any notebook ing about who you marry it’s for gentiles and Jews everyones the same. We haven’t been given any command for not marrying other peoples that was ot stuff and actually it’s one of the reasons israel was corrupted and Jerusalem destroyed and left desolate . Was a leading cause of idolatry
“Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?”
Nehemiah 13:27
wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.”
1 Kings 11:8 KJV
“And Ezra the priest stood up, and said unto them, Ye have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of Israel.”
Ezra 10:10 KJV
Christianity isnt about flesh and blood regulations of who we marry it’s about Gods kingdom . He’s going to destroy the world when he returns because of the state of man like genesis 6 it won’t have anything to do with marriage but repentance and belief in the gospel
because christianity doesn’t say any notebook ing about who you marry it’s for gentiles and Jews everyones the same. We haven’t been given any command for not marrying other peoples that was ot stuff and actually it’s one of the reasons israel was corrupted and Jerusalem destroyed and left desolate . Was a leading cause of idolatry
“Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?”
Nehemiah 13:27
wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.”
1 Kings 11:8 KJV
“And Ezra the priest stood up, and said unto them, Ye have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of Israel.”
Ezra 10:10 KJV
Christianity isnt about flesh and blood regulations of who we marry it’s about Gods kingdom . He’s going to destroy the world when he returns because of the state of man like genesis 6 it won’t have anything to do with marriage but repentance and belief in the gospel
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A son of God as evident in scripture is any creature made by God who was sinless in its creation. Adam was a son of God. All angels, cherubims, seraphims are sons of God. Fallen man has the power to become sons of God through the new birth, through the gospel(we are made a new creature in Christ).
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24 And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: 'You should intercede for men, and not men for you. Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of earth, and begotten giants as your sons. 25 And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die and perish.
26 Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. 27 But you were formerly spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling.
28 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling.
29 Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. 30 And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble.
They take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offences. 31 And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them. 32 From the days of the slaughter and destruction and death of the giants, from the souls of whose flesh the spirits, having gone forth, shall destroy without incurring judgement, thus shall they destroy until the day of the consummation, the great judgement in which the age shall be consummated, over the Watchers and the godless, yea, shall be wholly consummated.
Even christians can have evil spirits which is where sickness comes from because of sin. Healing thru the gift of healing can only come thru knowledge and understanding of who these spirits are for they are a living being which even Jesus spoke to them. There were times the disciples could not because of unbelief. Mark 9:19
There were other instances when the disciples were able to cast out demons, but Jesus explains that the demon they encountered in Mark 9 could only come out by prayer and fasting (Mark 9:29).
There are many here in CC
26 Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. 27 But you were formerly spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling.
28 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling.
29 Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. 30 And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble.
They take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offences. 31 And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them. 32 From the days of the slaughter and destruction and death of the giants, from the souls of whose flesh the spirits, having gone forth, shall destroy without incurring judgement, thus shall they destroy until the day of the consummation, the great judgement in which the age shall be consummated, over the Watchers and the godless, yea, shall be wholly consummated.
Even christians can have evil spirits which is where sickness comes from because of sin. Healing thru the gift of healing can only come thru knowledge and understanding of who these spirits are for they are a living being which even Jesus spoke to them. There were times the disciples could not because of unbelief. Mark 9:19
There were other instances when the disciples were able to cast out demons, but Jesus explains that the demon they encountered in Mark 9 could only come out by prayer and fasting (Mark 9:29).
There are many here in CC