Are giants the offspring of angels and humans?
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One translation
Second Hebrew translation confirming first translation
Bereshit 6
וַֽיְהִי֙ כִּֽי־הֵחֵ֣ל הָֽאָדָ֔ם לָרֹ֖ב עַל־פְּנֵ֣י הָֽאֲדָמָ֑ה וּבָנ֖וֹת יֻלְּד֥וּ לָהֶֽם׃
When humankind began to increase on earth and daughters were born to them,
וַיִּרְא֤וּ בְנֵי־הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶת־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם כִּ֥י טֹבֹ֖ת הֵ֑נָּה וַיִּקְח֤וּ לָהֶם֙ נָשִׁ֔ים מִכֹּ֖ל אֲשֶׁ֥ר בָּחָֽרוּ׃
the divine beings saw how pleasing the human women were and took wives from among those who delighted them.—
הַנְּפִלִ֞ים הָי֣וּ בָאָ֘רֶץ֮ בַּיָּמִ֣ים הָהֵם֒ וְגַ֣ם אַֽחֲרֵי־כֵ֗ן אֲשֶׁ֨ר יָבֹ֜אוּ בְּנֵ֤י הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם וְיָלְד֖וּ לָהֶ֑ם הֵ֧מָּה הַגִּבֹּרִ֛ים אֲשֶׁ֥ר מֵעוֹלָ֖ם אַנְשֵׁ֥י הַשֵּֽׁם׃ {פ}
It was then, and later too, that the Nephilim appeared on earth—when divine beings cohabited with the human women, who bore them offspring. Such were the heroes of old, the men of renown.
One translation
Second Hebrew translation confirming first translation
Bereshit 6
וַֽיְהִי֙ כִּֽי־הֵחֵ֣ל הָֽאָדָ֔ם לָרֹ֖ב עַל־פְּנֵ֣י הָֽאֲדָמָ֑ה וּבָנ֖וֹת יֻלְּד֥וּ לָהֶֽם׃
When humankind began to increase on earth and daughters were born to them,
וַיִּרְא֤וּ בְנֵי־הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶת־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם כִּ֥י טֹבֹ֖ת הֵ֑נָּה וַיִּקְח֤וּ לָהֶם֙ נָשִׁ֔ים מִכֹּ֖ל אֲשֶׁ֥ר בָּחָֽרוּ׃
the divine beings saw how pleasing the human women were and took wives from among those who delighted them.—
הַנְּפִלִ֞ים הָי֣וּ בָאָ֘רֶץ֮ בַּיָּמִ֣ים הָהֵם֒ וְגַ֣ם אַֽחֲרֵי־כֵ֗ן אֲשֶׁ֨ר יָבֹ֜אוּ בְּנֵ֤י הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם וְיָלְד֖וּ לָהֶ֑ם הֵ֧מָּה הַגִּבֹּרִ֛ים אֲשֶׁ֥ר מֵעוֹלָ֖ם אַנְשֵׁ֥י הַשֵּֽׁם׃ {פ}
It was then, and later too, that the Nephilim appeared on earth—when divine beings cohabited with the human women, who bore them offspring. Such were the heroes of old, the men of renown.
I took you off ignore for but a moment, and only to realize that you are still stubbornly teaching this same nonsense.
Here is what the word of God says:
Heb 1:5
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
The author's question pertains to the following portions of Old Testament scripture.
Psa 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
2Sa 7:14
I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
1Ch 17:13
I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee:
In their original contexts in the Old Testament, and in the way they are properly interpreted for us in the New Testament, these verses all pertain to Jesus Christ. He is God's only begotten Son, and he was begotten on the day in which God raised him from the dead.
Act 13:32
And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
Act 13:33
God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Similarly, the father and son relationship spoken of in both 2 Samuel 7:14 and 1 Chronicles 17:13 is the relationship between God the Father and Jesus his son.
With these truths in mind, in Hebrews 1:5, which you continue to butcher, the author was asking what angel God spoke these specific promises to, and the correct answer is none of them. This does not mean that angels are never called "sons of God" in scripture. Again, the question only pertains to the proof texts that the author was then citing to his readers, and not to the entirety of scripture.
Ironically, you are the one who is making God out to be a liar by continually butchering the scriptures.
Knowing how stubborn and proud you are from my past interactions with you on this thread and elsewhere, I am placing you right back on ignore. I only momentarily removed you from there because I see that you are deceiving at least one forum member here with your terrible misapplications of scripture. Before I go, I will tell you one last time that you truly need to repent. You are not the great theologian that you vainly think yourself to be. In fact, you are below a novice in that regard.
Here is what the word of God says:
Heb 1:5
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
The author's question pertains to the following portions of Old Testament scripture.
Psa 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
2Sa 7:14
I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
1Ch 17:13
I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee:
In their original contexts in the Old Testament, and in the way they are properly interpreted for us in the New Testament, these verses all pertain to Jesus Christ. He is God's only begotten Son, and he was begotten on the day in which God raised him from the dead.
Act 13:32
And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
Act 13:33
God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Similarly, the father and son relationship spoken of in both 2 Samuel 7:14 and 1 Chronicles 17:13 is the relationship between God the Father and Jesus his son.
With these truths in mind, in Hebrews 1:5, which you continue to butcher, the author was asking what angel God spoke these specific promises to, and the correct answer is none of them. This does not mean that angels are never called "sons of God" in scripture. Again, the question only pertains to the proof texts that the author was then citing to his readers, and not to the entirety of scripture.
Ironically, you are the one who is making God out to be a liar by continually butchering the scriptures.
Knowing how stubborn and proud you are from my past interactions with you on this thread and elsewhere, I am placing you right back on ignore. I only momentarily removed you from there because I see that you are deceiving at least one forum member here with your terrible misapplications of scripture. Before I go, I will tell you one last time that you truly need to repent. You are not the great theologian that you vainly think yourself to be. In fact, you are below a novice in that regard.
Your definition is not completely biblical. Angels are sons of God. When the Lord laid the foundations, no man was around, only the morning stars (angels) and all the sons of God (angels being part).
Job 38:
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
The exact opposite can be said of you. Why are you so dead set on making sure that everything fits nice and neat into your own personal understanding that don't allow for anything to fall outside of what YOU think is possible or not. To be honest I think your obsession with proving angels don't have "wieners", is just as baffling to me as proving they do is to you. I personally think it clearly says these things and honestly fits EVERYTHING in reality so much better than any other explanation I've heard. Now I don't want to debate this or get into it at all. This is so close to the bottom of the list of "things I want to debate brothers and sisters about", that I just won't, but my point here is that you are at the other extreme on this issue to the point you won't allow for anything outside of your own modern experience to have possibly taken place.
I think it's obvious something out of the ordinary took place here and made giants. Was that just really tall guys? What about the others that made Israelites feel like grasshoppers in there sight? Your view doesn't allow for these to be actual giants right?
So you have to fit these parts into you nice safe personal understanding off the top right? Like your view denies all these verses, right?
That's my point, you're calling them out for "having to make it all fantastical", but you're having to do the same thing the other way to make it 100% unfanatical. Maybe this isn't the hill to die on?
I think it's obvious something out of the ordinary took place here and made giants. Was that just really tall guys? What about the others that made Israelites feel like grasshoppers in there sight? Your view doesn't allow for these to be actual giants right?
So you have to fit these parts into you nice safe personal understanding off the top right? Like your view denies all these verses, right?
That's my point, you're calling them out for "having to make it all fantastical", but you're having to do the same thing the other way to make it 100% unfanatical. Maybe this isn't the hill to die on?
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Maybe he played with one too many Ken dolls in his youth?
Ooooh! You are making me tho angry! I thwear...if you mention me one more time, then I will hit you over your head with my purse!
Take it easy, Kenny, and work on your lisp. While you are at it, go and read 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
Ooooh! You are making me tho angry! I thwear...if you mention me one more time, then I will hit you over your head with my purse!
Take it easy, Kenny, and work on your lisp. While you are at it, go and read 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
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What about worshippers of God and worshippers of false gods ?
“A son of God as evident in scripture is any creature made by God who was sinless”
show me any verse in the Bible sayong any such thing and you’ll have some merit . Here’s a sample of biblical support for saying mankind has always been Gods sons
“which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
Luke 3:38 KJV
“And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:”
Exodus 4:22 KJV
“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”
Genesis 1:27
Only man was created in Gods image and given dominion over all his other creatures
heres a chapter explaining that angels aren’t the sons of God but man is
“being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. ( better name than angels they have never been called Gods son)
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire. Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
Hebrews 1:4-7, 14 KJV
here’s more about that
“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, ( they aren’t ministering sporits sent to minister to the hiers they are the hiers ) he also himself likewise took part of the same; ( jesus became a man not an angel because man is the children ) that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, ( his brethren are men not angels ) that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”( not the angels the people )
Hebrews 2:14, 16-17
but where’s the biblical basis for saying all of sinless creation is gods sons ?
“A son of God as evident in scripture is any creature made by God who was sinless”
show me any verse in the Bible sayong any such thing and you’ll have some merit . Here’s a sample of biblical support for saying mankind has always been Gods sons
“which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
Luke 3:38 KJV
“And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:”
Exodus 4:22 KJV
“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”
Genesis 1:27
Only man was created in Gods image and given dominion over all his other creatures
heres a chapter explaining that angels aren’t the sons of God but man is
“being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. ( better name than angels they have never been called Gods son)
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire. Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
Hebrews 1:4-7, 14 KJV
here’s more about that
“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, ( they aren’t ministering sporits sent to minister to the hiers they are the hiers ) he also himself likewise took part of the same; ( jesus became a man not an angel because man is the children ) that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, ( his brethren are men not angels ) that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”( not the angels the people )
Hebrews 2:14, 16-17
but where’s the biblical basis for saying all of sinless creation is gods sons ?
Was isreal sinless too ?
“And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:”
Exodus 4:22 KJV
simply look at the very beginning it’s obvious only mankind is created in the likeness and image of God . Only mankind is given dominion over all of what God had just created he gave earth to mankind as an inheritance
just look at creation and how it unfolded how man is centralized and placed above creation
Gods design of creation is to have mankind made after his own image and likeness . That’s why Adam is called the son of God mankind is uniquely created to be Gods children .
angels aren’t the sons of God they are his spiritual ministers that are made to minister to the hiers ( the children are the hiers )
“For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?
…And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire. Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
Hebrews 1:5, 7, 14
Hiers are children of a father not the ministers u to the hiers but the hiers are the children it seems really clear to me but everyone has an opinion mine is just that I believe the Bible clearly calls mankind Gods children alone and makes a distinction between men and angels clearly again
bit just an opinion looking at scripture and what it actually does tell us about the subject of angels and man
“And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:”
Exodus 4:22 KJV
simply look at the very beginning it’s obvious only mankind is created in the likeness and image of God . Only mankind is given dominion over all of what God had just created he gave earth to mankind as an inheritance
just look at creation and how it unfolded how man is centralized and placed above creation
Gods design of creation is to have mankind made after his own image and likeness . That’s why Adam is called the son of God mankind is uniquely created to be Gods children .
angels aren’t the sons of God they are his spiritual ministers that are made to minister to the hiers ( the children are the hiers )
“For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?
…And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire. Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
Hebrews 1:5, 7, 14
Hiers are children of a father not the ministers u to the hiers but the hiers are the children it seems really clear to me but everyone has an opinion mine is just that I believe the Bible clearly calls mankind Gods children alone and makes a distinction between men and angels clearly again
bit just an opinion looking at scripture and what it actually does tell us about the subject of angels and man
