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eternally-gratefull

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Made pure

Made righteous

Yes made so in act and deed

Sometimes...irrelevant

If God appeared to you today as he is, you would fall on your face and realise just how UNPURE you are.

your only fooling yourself if you think you are pure!
 
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No you are not...because that is how we can have confidence in the day of judgment.
1st john 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

John tells us to have confidence on the day of Judgment we must be as Christ is.
John tells us we can have confidence. ONLY BECAUSE OF CHRIST. One who has faith in the promise of God, is confident. Because he knows he has been forgiven.

It is NOT because we have reached perfection.
 
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If God appeared to you today as he is, you would fall on your face and realise just how UNPURE you are.
Maybe so
your only fooling yourself if you think you are pure!
No you are fooling yourself in believing that anything less that completely pure will inherite the Kingdom.

It seems to me that you do not even hope for the resurrection as you refuse to purify yourself.

1st John 3
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
 
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Originally Posted by 4runner

No you are not...because that is how we can have confidence in the day of judgment.
1st john 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

John tells us to have confidence on the day of Judgment we must be as Christ is.
John tells us we can have confidence. ONLY BECAUSE OF CHRIST. One who has faith in the promise of God, is confident. Because he knows he has been forgiven.

It is NOT because we have reached perfection.
John say we have confidence because we are as Christ is. You say John did not say that but something else.

Who should I believe.
 
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Originally Posted by Cobus

The differance is also... Jesus prayed for me in this.... I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;
I know SOON all these people you like to label where will be made ONE with Jesus, and they will be AS PERFECT as Him right here on earth.. Because as God is we will be like HIM in this World!

Praise the MIGHTY SALVATION OF GOD! AMEN!
That was JESUS' prayer...are you saying we are to attain the same thing?
That was Jesus' prayer for His church I.E. you and me
 
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I believe He already has. You must be in TURMOIL.
It seems like you do not know what it means to be set free or you do not understand what Jesus came to set us free from.

Actually I am in complete peace.
 
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I believe He already has. You must be in TURMOIL.




So make up your mind dude!

Can people become sinless or not. What does refrain from sin mean?

Are you teaching sinless perfection yes or no?

This is one of your proof texts:

(1 John 3:9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

But you say they can sin, as in one sin?

So can one born of God sin or not?

Whats with the doublemindedness?
You are double minded. you say you are free yet, you also say you cannot refrain yourself from sin. Sounds like bondage to me.
 
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Originally Posted by 4runner

Anyone who fight so hard against the righteousness of the believer has not submitted themselves to the Lordship or leadership of Christ.
You don't even know what the "righteousness of the believer" is.

*hint* ......it has nothing to do with us.
Christ in us, and Christ in me will not sin. If I am truly dead like the op said
 
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I have seen your legalistic gospel since you have been here. Don't deny it.
Blah, blah ,blah you cannot see because you are blind, and you cannot hear because you have shut or ears. you have no idea what I believe or preach because you do not care to know. You just want to keep eating the same spoon fed regurgitation you have been eating all your life.
 
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Christ in us, and Christ in me will not sin. If I am truly dead like the op said
Are you breathing? Then you still have your old man sin nature. You do sin, and will sin. Guaranteed.

1 John 1:8.
 
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Are you breathing? Then you still have your old man sin nature. You do sin, and will sin. Guaranteed.

1 John 1:8.
You statement is about as unbiblical as i have seen, but coming from you that is not a surprise.

Romans 6
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me

Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.



If you are not dead to sin, you are dead in sin.
 
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"There is no one righteous, not even one" (Romans 3:10);...."All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags" (Isaiah 64:6).... No one has righteousness because no one is without sin: "There is not a righteous man on earth who does what is right and never sins" (Ecclesiastes 7:20);.... "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us" (1 John 1:8);.... "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23).

"Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes" (Romans 10:1-4).

It is faith in Jesus that wins us His righteousness, not our attempts to keep God's commandments. "For we maintain that a man is justified (Greek - dikaioo, declared righteous) by faith apart from observing the law" (Romans 3:28; see also Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8-10).
 

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Are you breathing? Then you still have your old man sin nature. You do sin, and will sin. Guaranteed.

1 John 1:8.

HAHA I laughed when I saw "Are you still breathing?"
 

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I dunno why it struck me as funny but it did for some reason :p
 
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You statement is about as unbiblical as i have seen, but coming from you that is not a surprise.
Why do you feel obligated to say things like that?

Romans 6
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me

Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If you are not dead to sin, you are dead in sin.
All true verses. Note none of them say we do not sin. Romans 7 and 1 John 1:8 say we do sin.

We are dead TO sin. We will still sin.
 
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"There is no one righteous, not even one" (Romans 3:10);...."All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags" (Isaiah 64:6).... No one has righteousness because no one is without sin: "There is not a righteous man on earth who does what is right and never sins" (Ecclesiastes 7:20);.... "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us" (1 John 1:8);.... "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23).

"Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes" (Romans 10:1-4).

It is faith in Jesus that wins us His righteousness, not our attempts to keep God's commandments. "For we maintain that a man is justified (Greek - dikaioo, declared righteous) by faith apart from observing the law" (Romans 3:28; see also Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8-10).
This is why Jesus had to come to deliver us from our sin. Are you saying He failed, and we are still in bondage?

God promises us through His word that we can defeat sin, if we look closely at the word of God. There are many many promises that deal with that fact.

We are told that "in every temptation, God will make a way of escape that we will be able to bear it".

God said "sin shall not have dominion over you".

I literally can list twenty more...reckon yourself dead unto sin and alive unto God

''praise be to God who always causes us to triumph in Christ Jesus,

lead me not into temptation but deliver me from evil'' and so forth.


I firmly believe we have mistakenly missed why he has saved us (to set us free) "You shall call His name Jesus, for he shall save his people from their sins" (now, in this life) to preserve us blameless unto the coming of the Lord. In the Bible, we are told "He that commits sin is the servant of sin, and the servant abides not in the house forever. But whom the Son sets free is free indeed."


We are told by Jesus Himself "Without me, you can do nothing." yet in the writings of Paul we are told "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.". Is this perhaps what Jesus meant when he expressed his deep concern that "when the Son of man returns, will he find faith on the earth?" Do we believe (have faith in) these promises of God for our lives?
 
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Why do you feel obligated to say things like that?


All true verses. Note none of them say we do not sin. Romans 7 and 1 John 1:8 say we do sin.
Only because you are blind

We are dead TO sin. We will still sin.
This is a contradiction, self disproving
 
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Only because you are blind
Is it possible for you to reply to a post without being insulting?

This is a contradiction, self disproving
It is not a contradiction. Jesus Christ has delivered us from sin. Every Christian has two natures. The old man and the new. Christ in you vs the old sin nature. We are to put off the old and put on the new. But the old man does rear up occasionally in all of us.

What does 1 John 1:8 say, 4runner?