Slain in the spirit?

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wolfwint

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Of the detailed accounts, Acts 19:1-7 specifically debunks the idea that speaking in tongues was just a sign for the Jews.
This I have already mentioned in my post. It was for the disciples of John the Baptist. Which knew only the baptism of John the Baptist.
 

Genez

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The Holy Spirit of God was introduced in an Official way known as the era Paul defined to all of us as the Gentile Reign. It's a period of time dedicated to ALL of humanity to be welcomed by God, not just to the Hebrew/Jews as it was for roughly 2,500 years. But the Gentile Reign, highlighted by the Holy Spirit of God, demonstrates the full essence including Gifts and Fruits of the Holy Spirit.

The entire package of Fruits of the Holy Spirit are still in complete array and so are the Gifts. And the Bible claims they will not end before the Gentile Reign ends or when the Perfect has Come. Which will be the moment the Church is Raptured by the Perfect to Come Himself.
The Church is God gathering the Bride for His Son.
Bride to reign with Him throughout eternity.

The Jews had a priesthood on earth.
But, not the Church!
Peter says that we are a Royal Priesthood!
Not just a priesthood on earth!

We have been called into Royalty.
Royalty to be reigning with the King of Kings.

But you are a chosen people, a Royal Priesthood, a holy nation,
God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him
who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 1 Peter 2:9​


And, you guys just want to keep arguing, over and over, about the same old petty stuff?
When there is so much more to learn about?

grace and truth...
 

lrs68

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Nothing to argue about because we're CURRENTLY still in the Gentile Reign. It HAS NOT ended yet. The HOLY SPIRIT is still the focus because of the Gospel. Therefore what was started HAS NEVER ended and WILL NOT end until the Rapture.

That means the Fruits and Gifts of the Holy Spirit haven't changed nor ended because we're still in the same period it began in.
 

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op: slain in the spirit?

Should not that be "slain in the flesh"? ie:

) "...I am crucified with Christ...: (Galatians 2:20 AV)

) "...I die daily..." (1 Corinthians 15:31 AV)

) "...I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection..." (1 Corinthians 9:27 AV)
"slaying the FLESH", Correct?​
If there is such a 'concept' of "a SLAIN spirit", then it Would Be The Opposite Of:

This Scripture, Correct?:

"To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that​
the spirit may be SAVED in The Day of the Lord Jesus." (1 Corinthians 5:5 AV)
Thus, "the spirit that is SLAIN" = Not Saved, But Receives Eternal Condemnation In
The Lake Of Fire
(Rev 20:15 AV) Correct?

Why should any saint "...be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another,
envying one another..."?

Is "walking in The Spirit" the same as "by sight"? ie: "emotions, feelings,
experiences, dreams, visions, NDE's, sensational signs and wonders, etc, etc, etc"?
OR:

"What Saith [ God In His PURE and HOLY WORD Of ] The Scriptures?"
To Today's Body Of Christ, who should all be "walking in The Spirit"?:

"...we walk By faith and NOT by sight..." (2 Corinthians 5:7)​

So, precious friends, which is it? Can't be BOTH, Correct?

Should we not rather focus more on "loving our neighbor, fulfilling All the law in
ONE Word LOVE" (Romans 8:10-13; Galatians 5:14 AV), By Zeroing In On:

"The Fruit Of The Spirit":

"...The Fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness,​
goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.​
And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.​
If we live in The Spirit, let us also walk in The Spirit. Let us not be desirous of​
vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." (Galatians 5:22-26 AV)​
Therefore, focusing LESS / stopping all the disagreement, arguing, and bickering about something not Found In Scripture, Disapproved Unto God, with NO "Honor/Glory To Him"?

Amen:

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And, avoiding Disapproval by further Focusing More On "studying God's Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided", and Then: Obeying
Ephesians 3:9 AV, eh?:

Basic Distinctions (14 +) Of Prophecy vs Mystery!
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[ Update/Additions #’s: (19) (20) (21) (22) (23) (24) ]

"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all To The Glory Of God."​
(1 Corinthians 10:31 AV)​
Amen.
 

Genez

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Nothing to argue about because we're CURRENTLY still in the Gentile Reign. It HAS NOT ended yet. The HOLY SPIRIT is still the focus because of the Gospel. Therefore what was started HAS NEVER ended and WILL NOT end until the Rapture.

That means the Fruits and Gifts of the Holy Spirit haven't changed nor ended because we're still in the same period it began in.
That's it?
 

Genez

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Of the detailed accounts, Acts 19:1-7 specifically debunks the idea that speaking in tongues was just a sign for the Jews.

While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?”
John’s baptism,” they replied. Acts 19:1-3
Those were Jews!
It says they received the baptism of John - the Baptist!

Gentiles were not being baptized by John in Israel.


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Wansvic

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Where does it say that the Holy Spirit that fell indwelt them?
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Acts 2:4

Peter stated the Gentile experience was the same. Acts 15:8

The Samaritans also received the Holy Ghost. Acts 8:15-18

The 12 men of Ephesus received the Holy Ghost as well. This is understood as what they experienced was directly related to Paul's initial question, Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed? Acts 19:1-7
 

Wansvic

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Tongues were still active within the Church at the time of writing.

You fail to rightly divide the Word of God.
Tongues is still active today. They continue to serve the same purpose as in biblical times, they manisfest to edify born again Christians. And attest to the unbeliever that God truly exists.
 

Cameron143

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And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Acts 2:4

Peter stated the Gentile experience was the same. Acts 15:8

The Samaritans also received the Holy Ghost. Acts 8:15-18

The 12 men of Ephesus received the Holy Ghost as well. This is understood as what they experienced was directly related to Paul's initial question, Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed? Acts 19:1-7
That was speaking of the disciples, and is referring to Joel 2. And they also had the cloves of fire which was the evidence that the filling had already transpired. And it was also the promise of the Father that Jesus told them to wait for, and is the baptism of the Spirit mentioned in Ephesians 1:13. It is also performed by Jesus, which is foretold by John the Baptist in Matthew 3:11...He will baptize with the Holy Ghost, and with fire.

Notice that it was a filling and not said to be an indwelling. They received the power Jesus promised they would receive in Acts 1:8. Jesus had already imparted the Spirit to them when He was yet with them...John 20:22.
 

Wansvic

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Go to Acts 2:37 and you will see the work of the indwelling Spirit.
The context of the entire account contradicts the idea that the individual's were indwelt at the point of being pricked in the heart. However, after that occurred, the believer's were given a promise. Those willing to believe God received the gift of the Holy Ghost and had their sins remitted in accordance with His promise. (Acts 38-42)
 

Cameron143

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The context of the entire account contradicts the idea that the individual's were indwelt at the point of being pricked in the heart. However, after that occurred, the believer's were given a promise. Those willing to believe God received the gift of the Holy Ghost and had their sins remitted in accordance with His promise. (Acts 38-42)
Again, you are confusing indwelling with sealing. Who pricked their hearts?
 

Wansvic

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This I have already mentioned in my post. It was for the disciples of John the Baptist. Which knew only the baptism of John the Baptist.
You are missing the point, the account reveals it is possible to know if the Holy Spirit has come to dwell in one's body. Paul asked, Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed? The account reveals speaking in tongues confirmed the experience.

Paul's question reveals people know whether or not they have received the Holy Ghost. No one has to guess if they have had the experience.
 

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The Church is God gathering the Bride for His Son.
Bride to reign with Him throughout eternity.

The Jews had a priesthood on earth.
But, not the Church!
Peter says that we are a Royal Priesthood!
Not just a priesthood on earth!

We have been called into Royalty.
Royalty to be reigning with the King of Kings.

But you are a chosen people, a Royal Priesthood, a holy nation,
God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him
who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 1 Peter 2:9​


And, you guys just want to keep arguing, over and over, about the same old petty stuff?
When there is so much more to learn about?

grace and truth...
Building is useless without first becoming a member of the royal priesthood through the NT rebirth. Those in Matthew 7:23 found this out the hard way.
 

Wansvic

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While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?”
John’s baptism,” they replied. Acts 19:1-3
Those were Jews!
It says they received the baptism of John - the Baptist!

Gentiles were not being baptized by John in Israel.


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Actually the question was, Have you received the Holy Ghost SINCE you believed. Meaning at some point after you came to believe in Jesus.
 

Genez

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Sampson was filled by the Holy Spirit at times.
But, Sampson was not indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

Christians are indwelt. That means?
Though we may grieve him with our stupidity and arrogance.
He will never depart from indwelling us.

Big difference!
 

Wansvic

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...And they also had the cloves of fire which was the evidence that the filling had already transpired. ..
The account indicates when the filling actually took place. The filling took place after the visual tongues sat upon them, not simultaneous with that event. The visual manisfestation of tongues of fire revealed the truth concerning verbal tongues; the Holy Spirit had entered into the individuals. Note fire evidenced God's presence in the OT. Jews would have made the connection between tongues of fire and speaking in tongues. Peter actually said that what was seen and heard was the Holy Ghost.

"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" 1 Cor 6:19

"And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4

Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." Acts 2:33
 

Genez

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There is a thing called 'tongues' that is active today.
No doubt about that.

They act as if Satan has not the power to induce his own version of such a thing.
It's a counterfeit that evil uses within those who are able to be hypnotized.

Not all people can be hypnotized. They are here to protect those who are.
But the hypnotizable must be willing to believe the Word of God to do so.

And, another thing.
Like drugs and addiction...
Not all will become addicted to the experience of evil, producing the counterfeit tongues.
Those will repent when given the truth.

It's as form of spiritual drug addiction.
Addicts will lie, steal, and cheat for their habit.....
Truth does not matter anymore for them.
As far as truth, only to manipulate what should be the truth, to keep on having their desire.
They distort the Word of God for their own means.

Hello, there!
Mister?
Are you able to hear me?

The Lord is going to sort this out with an absolute and finalized way.
He will make Donald Trump seem gentle and mild in how He will deal with corruption.
There will be no one defending now their corruption left standing.

For many in that day will say... "LORD! LORD! Did we not?"
They will hear.... I never knew you.

Now is the time to repent.

What we see today almost runs parallel to what tongues were needed for originally.


1 Corinthians 14:21
In the Law, it is written:
“With other tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,
says the Lord.”


Today it's now the deceived tongues people who will not listen!
They are just as stubborn and evil towards truth in attitude as those who tongues had been originally given for.

Got to do the laundry....
 

Wansvic

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That was speaking of the disciples, and is referring to Joel 2. And they also had the cloves of fire which was the evidence that the filling had already transpired. And it was also the promise of the Father that Jesus told them to wait for, and is the baptism of the Spirit mentioned in Ephesians 1:13. It is also performed by Jesus, which is foretold by John the Baptist in Matthew 3:11...He will baptize with the Holy Ghost, and with fire.

Notice that it was a filling and not said to be an indwelling. They received the power Jesus promised they would receive in Acts 1:8. Jesus had already imparted the Spirit to them when He was yet with them...John 20:22.
The scriptures shared reveal the individual's actually received the Holy Ghost. Those who already have the Holy Ghost would not be required to receive the Holy Ghost again.
 

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The account indicates when the filling actually took place. The filling took place after the visual tongues sat upon them, not simultaneous with that event. The visual manisfestation of tongues of fire revealed the truth concerning verbal tongues; the Holy Spirit had entered into the individuals. Note fire evidenced God's presence in the OT. Jews would have made the connection between tongues of fire and speaking in tongues. Peter actually said that what was seen and heard was the Holy Ghost.

"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" 1 Cor 6:19

"And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4

Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." Acts 2:33
Filling is not the same thing as indwelling. We are commanded to be filled with the Spirit. This is something we can do. We are not commanded to be indwelt by the Spirit. This is something we cannot do.
Albeit, what happened at Pentecost was neither of these. It was a sealing with the Spirit...the baptism of the Spirit, performed by Christ...as an empowerment and authentication of the work of God.
 

Cameron143

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The scriptures shared reveal the individual's actually received the Holy Ghost. Those who already have the Holy Ghost would not be required to receive the Holy Ghost again.
And yet they did experience a manifestation of the Spirit. Thus, what they experienced was not an indwelling.
Later, in Acts 2:37, when people were pricked in the heart, this is the evidence that they had been indwelt.
The disciples had already received the Holy Spirit when Jesus breathed on them...John 20:22. What they experienced the day of Pentecost was a different manifestation of the Spirit.