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Aaron56

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Those born new from Father in risen Son have no more need to be taught by anyone else.
Do you believe this? That no more teaching is required? How do you explain the majority of the New Testament that came after this verse? Or even that this verse was taught after it was recorded?
 

homwardbound

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Do you believe this? That no more teaching is required? How do you explain the majority of the New Testament that came after this verse? Or even that this verse was taught after it was recorded?
God himself does that who lives in us
Those born new get to see to simply love in truth to all, that is how. There is no more need fro others to interfere with a love relationship between God and them
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
you might reply that verse above is just for the disciples, really??????????????????
Does Father God, not speak at all anymore?
You know, the truth as every person of mature age knows
Right is right, and wrong is wrong Love each other in unity
God won With Son as risen to give new life to us all, do you not see this truth
We are to share and not control or manipulate anyone into belief or are we?
Lets see? Do I think I know? I have in past, not anymore, thanks
 

Aaron56

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God himself does that who lives in us
Those born new get to see to simply love in truth to all, that is how. There is no more need fro others to interfere with a love relationship between God and them
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
you might reply that verse above is just for the disciples, really??????????????????
Does Father God, not speak at all anymore?
You know, the truth as every person of mature age knows
Right is right, and wrong is wrong Love each other in unity
God won With Son as risen to give new life to us all, do you not see this truth
We are to share and not control or manipulate anyone into belief or are we?
Lets see? Do I think I know? I have in past, not anymore, thanks
So one with the gift of teaching does what, exactly?
 

homwardbound

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So one with the gift of teaching does what, exactly?
points one, anyone to God's love for them to have a personal relationship with Father and Son also
freed from sin as is done by Son once for us all
religion teaches people to sin by telling them to not sin, uses under Law to get them under their thumb and lead them
Paul's Romans 7 really to me needs to be read from Romans 6, through Romans 8 with them trusting personally to hear from God the truth of those Chapters to them personally
God just loves us all y'all

That is freeing them from the bondage of sin that takes occasion by the command not to sin
 

Aaron56

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points one, anyone to God's love for them to have a personal relationship with Father and Son also
freed from sin as is done by Son once for us all
religion teaches people to sin by telling them to not sin, uses under Law to get them under their thumb and lead them
Paul's Romans 7 really to me needs to be read from Romans 6, through Romans 8 with them trusting personally to hear from God the truth of those Chapters to them personally
God just loves us all y'all

That is freeing them from the bondage of sin that takes occasion by the command not to sin
So they teach?
 

homwardbound

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whatever gift given from God is given one does, those that are born new, not playing God and doing wrong riding a fence in and out like a wave from the ocean
I see clearly this:
To take care of any board in my own eye first, before seeking out to remove any speck in Amy other person eye
God did that once for us all took care of the board to give us each gift(s) to help one another in God's Love and mercy
No more do I tell you to love your neighbor as yourself
I now tell you to love your neighbor as I have loved you

Therefore, how are we all loved by God first? If you sin right now, over I do it too.
Are we still by God remain forgiven by God? yes or no please
Thank you
 

Aaron56

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whatever gift given from God is given one does, those that are born new, not playing God and doing wrong riding a fence in and out like a wave from the ocean
I see clearly this:
To take care of any board in my own eye first, before seeking out to remove any speck in Amy other person eye
God did that once for us all took care of the board to give us each gift(s) to help one another in God's Love and mercy
No more do I tell you to love your neighbor as yourself
I now tell you to love your neighbor as I have loved you

Therefore, how are we all loved by God first? If you sin right now, over I do it too.
Are we still by God remain forgiven by God? yes or no please
Thank you
I'm not following you. Blessings.
 

Edify

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So anyone who is paid more than they "need" is necessarily not focused on helping others? They are then proud, arrogant, and narcissistic? Who gets to define "need"? What about those who have side income... should they be paid less (or not at all) because their "needs" are covered?

It looks to me that you have a bee in your bonnet about a specific personal experience and are trying to justify your response by discussing a general issue. So... who made you mad, and how?
We understand that televangelists are indeed these 3 things. So it is to those who are seeking to "arrive" where they are. The wannabees.
If an honest minister gets too much he will simply pray & put it where he's inspired.
What none of us fully understand is how many of those wannabees are out there right now, still pastoring until their "ship" comes in.
I had received this in prayer a couple of weeks ago, so talk to the LORD about my bonnet & get your answer.:)
 

Dino246

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We understand that televangelists are indeed these 3 things. So it is to those who are seeking to "arrive" where they are. The wannabees.
If an honest minister gets too much he will simply pray & put it where he's inspired.
What none of us fully understand is how many of those wannabees are out there right now, still pastoring until their "ship" comes in.
I had received this in prayer a couple of weeks ago, so talk to the LORD about my bonnet & get your answer.:)
"Talk to the LORD about my bonnet"? Um, no thanks. If you're so offended with televangelists, don't support them. In the meantime, don't use such a broad judgmental brush to slander everyone else.
 

Edify

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"Talk to the LORD about my bonnet"? Um, no thanks. If you're so offended with televangelists, don't support them. In the meantime, don't use such a broad judgmental brush to slander everyone else.
That was never my intention. I was only relating what the LORD related to me. Have a nice day.:)
 

Edify

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I don't know why ministers believe they have a right/privilege to go all sorts of directions with their calling, even leaving their church God sent them to when God still wants them there.
I'm reminded of 1 Kings 20:40 "while I was busy here & there...."
I pity those watchmen who are busy doing their own thing instead of doing what God wants them to do.
 

Dino246

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I don't know why ministers believe they have a right/privilege to go all sorts of directions with their calling, even leaving their church God sent them to when God still wants them there.
I'm reminded of 1 Kings 20:40 "while I was busy here & there...."
I pity those watchmen who are busy doing their own thing instead of doing what God wants them to do.
Ministers aren't watchmen; those are different roles. Lazy Christians want their "ministers" to do everything for them instead of doing their own homework, fulfilling their own calling, and doing their own "watching".
 

homwardbound

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I'm not following you. Blessings.
You, me and all people, born here on earth, have sinned, is that correct?
Now, those in belief to the risen Savior for them Jesus the Son, that are born again by God through risen Son. Are those capable of still sinning?
Is God capable of sinning?
If You, I or any other born again believer sins after being born new by God, Do you, I and all remain forgiven by God through Son? Instantly! even if sin again!?
Do, I have to go back to God or religion and ask for more forgiveness? If I do sin again? Is, God going to send Son again to die for more sin committed by people? Or is the reconciliation done by Son remain in place forever from Father's view, for us all?, even if I, you or others continue in sin, Will, Father change and quit the reconciliation offered everyone, by Son (Only Sin left is conscious unbelief, between God and a person, it is personal, is it not?) The one and only sin left after the cross to me is "Unbelief"
We all are reconciled, by God through Son, correct? either one believes this or does not.
There is no more forgiveness, reconciliation, to be offered is there?

What, do you say to all that written above, and thank you for your view(s)
 

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For me and what I have retained (or come away with) after seeing both sides of this to some degree is, through all, WHAT WAS THE BODY OF CHRIST PROFITED BY? It is the Body of Christ that is to experience bottom-line progress, that's you and I, co-workers with God. As I recall, there were times when the Apostle would chose ''to be spent'', others? Who knows how many times he ''robbed other churches''? We are led by the Spirit, and if He sees something up the road that we obviously can't, well, think I would chose to remain flexible.
 

homwardbound

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Available, to be, get used by Father in Father's Holy Spirit and Truth, thank you learn g to be content in all things bad or good as Apostle Paul said
Philippians 4:11
Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
Philippians 1:16
the one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:

we all see as we each see, some for the good and some for the self, we each get to decide what is what and who is who as we can go to Father in prayer over it all, and see to not get caught up under Law, Laws to do to get what is given, I think thanks
Even if, especially while in troubles we all get here on earth to get us under the thumb of others, not good for my soul, to be under any person's thumb, freed by Father and Son as Won, thank you
 

Edify

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Philippians 1: 12Now I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that my circumstances have turned out for the greater progress of the gospel, 13so that my [k]imprisonment in the cause of Christ has become well known throughout the [l]praetorian guard and to everyone else, 14and that most of the brothers and sisters, [m]trusting in the Lord because of my [n]imprisonment, have far more courage to speak the word of God without fear. 15Some, to be sure, are preaching Christ even [o]from envy and strife, but some also [p]from goodwill; 16the latter do it out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel; 17the former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition [q]rather than from pure motives, thinking that they are causing me distress in my [r]imprisonment. 18What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in this I rejoice.

It is my hope that in these last days some are saved from hearing these preaching out of selfish ambition, considering how many they are.:)
 

homwardbound

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All I can see is be available and not under stress to do to get it across to anyone
What I see is, like at Pentecost. Christ the risen got them ready, hung out forty days teaching them personally to wait and be ready for his Father to do whatever speaking needed through them. Now, that be what happened on Pentecost and and at the House of Cornelius, when God spoke through Peter to that Gentile house, God who told Peter to not call anything unclean, that God has cleaned, in Son it is done, whom is risen where new life is given and spoken in joy, from the kids. If anyone has lost that Joy, then legalism some how might have entered you and Faith is not leading Faith in the risen Son revealing God Father to you, through you
Noting this, when he knocked on the Gentile door, he said to Cornelius, it is illegal for him to enter any Gentile House, per the Jewish Laws. Yet he saw to enter as led by God. Now we the people tend to get worried over what others might think and do not go certain places when one knows one is called to go. I know this has happened to me, Not often, yet has happened to me once so far, called into a bar
Wow, woe is me what happened there then, amazing grace floors me, when see it as. God given