Becomes Trump a dictator?

[Tamarisk]

Can someone explain to me why it’s OK for Trump to break the separation of powers, laid out in the constitution by bypassing Congress and making decisions independent from the other branches of the government?

Why is it OK to make unilateral decisions as an executive branch?

And you don’t get to talk about Biden or any other administration because no other administration has done this.

No other administration has signed executive orders that violate the constitution

This has never happened before.

 

[ZNP]

Can someone explain to me why it’s OK for Trump to break the separation of powers, laid out in the constitution by bypassing Congress and making decisions independent from the other branches of the government?

Why is it OK to make unilateral decisions as an executive branch?

And you don’t get to talk about Biden or any other administration because no other administration has done this.

No other administration has signed executive orders that violate the constitution

This has never happened before.

What example are you talking about? What has Trump done that breaks the separation of powers?

 

[Squigglylines]

1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Many of these ones with TDS have been attacking anyone who supports Trump for the last 8 years, this is why their posts have become sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal.

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

They have become nothing because they don't speak with love

3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

They think that because they give money to some charity or other that they have love, but out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. We can see if there is love in their hearts from their words.

4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

What you have written here is not kind. You haven't suffered long, this post is preemptive, you don't even give them a chance to speak for themselves, you put words in their mouth that they haven't even said and then judge them for what you just said! Who do you think you are? This post is arrogant and puffed up.

5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

This post is very clearly thinking evil. This post is insulting and that is unseemly for a Christian to be insulting others.

6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

I don't see anyone with TDS rejoicing in the truth.

7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

This post is not bearing all things. To believe all things means you believe that people are not intentionally evil. Even when it seems like they might be you still hope that they aren't. I don't see any of that in this post.

To the contrary I think @ResadentAlien saw people like me complaining that Trump himself was using the term Manifest Destiny speaking of Mars, Canada,Panama canal and Greenland which should actually leave conservatives scratching their heads. None the less though now we have @ResadentAlien using it as ammunition against Trump supporters when it was James K. Polk(11th POTUS) a Democrat who who implemented the policy not a Republican. I wonder if he will feel the same way about Manifest Destiny after looking it up and realizing Polk, who put it in place, was a Democrat.

 

[Tamarisk]

What example are you talking about? What has Trump done that breaks the separation of powers?

He tried to pause all federal grants, and loans. This was illegal.

They’re shutting down agencies and laying off workers without congressional oversight.

They are passing executive orders that violate the constitution

The executive branch does not have the power to do this.

The only power the president should have is the power to Vito a bill.

The Senate propose legislation The Congress writes the legislation and the executive branch signs it into law.

 

[SomeDisciple]

I dont know how you americans see this. In europe at seems that Trump and Musk doing everything for to fight against democracy and freedom to encrease their own Power and influence.

It depends what you mean; because, there is a huge semantic dissonance when people speak of "democracy".

When the right refers to "democracy", it pertains to actual democratic processes in our government. Typically, the citizens voting on stuff.

When the left refers to "democracy" what they mean is "the bureaucratic institutions created by democracy".

We need to ensure that our institutional missions line up with our priorities, and that the institutions are effectively accomplishing their missions. If either of those things is not happening; then the institution becomes more of a liability. If an institution is a liability then there may need to be some changes made, and if it is enough of a liability, it may need to be eliminated altogether.

Conservatives are "a threat to democracy" because they scrutinize institutions that stray beyond their missions, or have missions that don't really provide enough bang-for-their buck.

There is a real danger from some republicans; because they will intentionally sink an institution that is doing fine in order to get the money that goes to that institution for themselves.

Trump himself literally "threatens" institutions and more. He will de-fund the wasteful spenders, and threaten the ones that are doing fine in order to get them to try and do better.

Actual democratic mechanisms (voting mechanisms) are not really at stake under conservative rule.

 

[Squigglylines]

Can someone explain to me why it’s OK for Trump to break the separation of powers, laid out in the constitution by bypassing Congress and making decisions independent from the other branches of the government?

Why is it OK to make unilateral decisions as an executive branch?

And you don’t get to talk about Biden or any other administration because no other administration has done this.

No other administration has signed executive orders that violate the constitution

This has never happened before.

Sure it has FDR himself gave hundreds of EO's https://www.federalregister.gov/presidential-documents/executive-orders/franklin-d-roosevelt/1945 Five of which were overturned because they were unconstitutional. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

 

[HeIsHere]

I don't know how you Americans see this. In Europe at seems that Trump and Musk doing everything for to fight against democracy and freedom to increase their own Power and influence.

Musk bought the election.
What we have is a consortium of mini tyrants/kleptocracy, each with their own selfish motivations... how long til they destroy each other?

 

[ResidentAlien]

Can someone explain to me why it’s OK for Trump to break the separation of powers, laid out in the constitution by bypassing Congress and making decisions independent from the other branches of the government?

It's not okay; however, the ones who could do something about it (Republicans) are brainwashed beyond all recognition. The Democrats' hand are tied because they're in the minority. But, besides that, they're clueless and can't do anything that calls for thinking outside the box. The only other option is the judiciary which has had some success. But it's slow and not that effective if the Donald simply says no and goes right on doing what he wants to.

Donald Trump has no problem doing rather than asking permission and then letting it get sorted out after the fact. Democrats could take a lesson from this. The normal rules went out the window when Trump was sworn in; Democrats better wake up to the facts it's no longer business as usual.

 

[ZNP]

He tried to pause all federal grants, and loans. This was illegal.

If the law courts are involved and deciding what is legal and what isn't legal that is the separation of powers operating.

They’re shutting down agencies and laying off workers without congressional oversight.

If these agencies are part of the executive branch then congressional oversight would be a violation of the separation of powers.

They are passing executive orders that violate the constitution

That is up to the Supreme court to decide, but if the Supreme court is involved then that is by definition the separation of powers in action. So none of these are examples of Trump breaking the separation of powers in the US constitution.

BTW the federal government having a Department of Education is a direct violation of the US constitution. The US constitution did not give the Federal government authority over education, therefore this power belongs to the states.

 

[Tamarisk]

Sure it has FDR himself gave hundreds of EO's https://www.federalregister.gov/presidential-documents/executive-orders/franklin-d-roosevelt/1945 Five of which were overturned because they were unconstitutional. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

Nothing FDR did was because he was dismantling the federal government and destroying agencies. He was creating a strong federal government and creating agencies to help Americans.

This government does not have our best interest in mind. It is destroying government because it doesn’t want checks and balances. They are currently trying to establish a dictatorship.

Do you know why musk shut down USAID?
Because they were investigating his government contracts.

Why are you trusting the richest man in the world to have your best interest in mind?

This is the moment!

We need to put our politics aside and fight for our country. It’s being invaded from within!

 

[ZNP]

It's not okay; however, the ones who could do something about it (Republicans) are brainwashed beyond all recognition. The Democrats' hand are tied because they're in the minority. But, besides that, they're clueless and can't do anything that calls for thinking outside the box. The only other option is the judiciary which has had some success. But it's slow and not that effective if the Donald simply says no and goes right on doing what he wants to.

Donald Trump has no problem doing rather than asking permission and then letting it get sorted out after the fact. Democrats could take a lesson from this. The normal rules went out the window when Trump was sworn in; Democrats better wake up to the facts it's no longer business as usual.

Actually the country was brainwashed when the US government started the department of Education. The constitution did not give any authority over education to the Federal government. The Constitution clearly states that any powers not given to the Federal government are given to the States.

The people who are really brainwashed think that the President and other elected officials are powerless to cut government spending, audit government agencies, cancel contracts, and close down agencies deemed no longer necessary.

These brainwashed individuals think that anyone who does something they disagree with is a totalitarian dictator. The reality is that democracy focuses on the will of the majority and the majority clearly elected Trump to cut government spending. This is democracy in action.

 

[ResidentAlien]

It was no mistake that the first thing Donald did was fire 17 inspectors general. The IGs are independent watchdogs who police DC. He knew if he was going to have any chance of pulling off his illegal moves, these would have to be the first to go.

 

[HeIsHere]

Why are you trusting the richest man in the world to have your best interest in mind?

It is something to behold, but think how perfectly executed I think ... - problem (Dems) - reaction (mass discontent) - solution (oligarchy able to fix everything)

 

[Cameron143]

Can someone explain to me why it’s OK for Trump to break the separation of powers, laid out in the constitution by bypassing Congress and making decisions independent from the other branches of the government?

Why is it OK to make unilateral decisions as an executive branch?

And you don’t get to talk about Biden or any other administration because no other administration has done this.

No other administration has signed executive orders that violate the constitution

This has never happened before.

Thirteen times the Supreme Court overturned executive orders signed by Obama. I couldn't find the number for Biden.

You and others here are simply alarmists who aren't even being genuine with truth.

 

[ZNP]

Thirteen times the Supreme Court overturned executive orders signed by Obama. I couldn't find the number for Biden.

You and others here are simply alarmists who aren't even being genuine with truth.

I see nothing wrong with being alert and paying close attention to what is going on, but no reason to sound an alarm or to be an alarmist. He was elected to make America solvent again and that is not with window dressing, cutting a few million here and there. You have to cut our spending down from 7 trillion to 4.5 trillion. Since you can't cut about $4 trillion in spending it really means 80% of what can be cut will need to be cut. That doesn't mean the US government ceases to function, they can do those jobs with AI and robots. I expect the real target is a reduction in Federal employees of 80% by the time his four year term is up.

Now obviously it will take 4 years to fully implement that kind of transition. In the meantime he will need to keep the US solvent some other way and it seems like he is going after the gold and silver markets to manipulate them with a short squeeze. This does have the potential to raise $1 trillion a year from this manipulation while also putting the BRICS nations into bankruptcy as their exports become too expensive for the rest of the world. If the US will not be able to import from these countries he will need to move manufacturing back to the US and could do that with Tariffs.

 

[Squigglylines]

Nothing FDR did was because he was dismantling the federal government and destroying agencies. He was creating a strong federal government and creating agencies to help Americans.

This government does not have our best interest in mind. It is destroying government because it doesn’t want checks and balances. They are currently trying to establish a dictatorship.

Do you know why musk shut down USAID?
Because they were investigating his government contracts.

Why are you trusting the richest man in the world to have your best interest in mind?

This is the moment!

We need to put our politics aside and fight for our country. It’s being invaded from within!

I wasn't attacking FDR just pointing out that it wasn't just DJT's EO's Federal judges look at to see if their constitutional or not. EO's are actually nothing more than a Presidents wish list of things they want to try to do because they promised it in the first place. If we watch long enough we should notice that Trump wrote EO's to turn over Obama, then Biden issued EO's to do the same to Trumps and now Trump is giving EO's to end Biden's EO's. So whats next after the next election if a Democrat wins will they write more EO's and overturn everything Trumps doing now? The only way it actually becomes law is if it is approved by Congress and so everything not Constitutional is blocked by judges just like their doing now and always have. Democrat,Republican it doesn't matter other than that EO's' are just candy they toss to the followers so they shout yeah we win, for a minute or two anyway.

 

[ZNP]

I wasn't attacking FDR just pointing out that it wasn't just DJT's EO's Federal judges look at to see if their constitutional or not. EO's are actually nothing more than a Presidents wish list of things they want to try to do because they promised it in the first place. If we watch long enough we should notice that Trump wrote EO's to turn over Obama, then Biden issued EO's to do the same to Trumps and now Trump is giving EO's to end Biden's EO's. So whats next after the next election if a Democrat wins will they write more EO's and overturn everything Trumps doing now? The only way it actually becomes law is if it is approved by Congress and so everything not Constitutional is blocked by judges just like their doing now and always have. Democrat,Republican it doesn't matter other than that EO's' are just candy they toss to the followers so they shout yeah we win, for a minute or two anyway.

I don't think he was complaining about Obama's EO's or Biden's EO's. I think his point is that it is illegal for Trump to undo Biden's EO's the way Biden undid Trump's EO's. It is the old "you can't treat me the way I treated you".

 

[Tamarisk]

I’m not gonna respond to foolishness FDR and Obama did not have the richest man in the world shut down agencies that were investigating him for his government contracts.

 

[Cameron143]

Seems like Conservatives are the only ones addressing foolishness.

 

[Tamarisk]

Actually the country was brainwashed when the US government started the department of Education. The constitution did not give any authority over education to the Federal government. The Constitution clearly states that any powers not given to the Federal government are given to the States.

The people who are really brainwashed think that the President and other elected officials are powerless to cut government spending, audit government agencies, cancel contracts, and close down agencies deemed no longer necessary.

These brainwashed individuals think that anyone who does something they disagree with is a totalitarian dictator. The reality is that democracy focuses on the will of the majority and the majority clearly elected Trump to cut government spending. This is democracy in action.

This is not about the department of education. This administration can have the belief that the department of education should be shut down and do everything in their power to accomplish their goal.

No one is arguing this point. But when you shut down the department of education. Without congressional approval as they have done, then it becomes a problem. When elected representatives of a government are turned away by government agencies they should have full access to that’s called a constitutional emergency.

For all people that swore an oath to protect the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. This is our moment.


If there was congressional approval for their actions, we wouldn’t be having this issue. Yes presidents have issued executive orders in the past that have been ruled on constitutional, but they have never issued orders to shut down agencies and laid off workers without congressional approval.

This has never been done before in the USand it’s what happened and hungry Can you hear it now?