In the days of the 10 Kings God shall assembly his Kingdom

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That’s not what He said in the parable.
That is precisely what he said in the parable.

Luk 19:11
And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
Luk 19:12
He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
Luk 19:13
And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
Luk 19:14
But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
Luk 19:15
And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
Luk 19:16
Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
Luk 19:17
And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
Luk 19:18
And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
Luk 19:19
And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
Luk 19:20
And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
Luk 19:21
For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
Luk 19:22
And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
Luk 19:23
Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
Luk 19:24
And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
Luk 19:25
(And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
Luk 19:26
For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
Luk 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Jesus taught this parable because he was nigh or near Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear (Luke 19:11). The people were looking for the right thing, but their timing was off. In other words, it had long been prophesied, and in more places than one, that Christ, as the son of David, would one day inherit David's throne while reigning over this earth from Jerusalem. In fact, the angel Gabriel reiterated this promise to Mary.

Luk 1:30
And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
Luk 1:31
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33
And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

This is what the people of Jesus' day were looking for, but, again, their timing was off.

In this parable, Jesus is the "certain nobleman" who "went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return" (Luke 19:12) or he is the one who left heaven and came to earth in order to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. Jesus clearly stated that he would not receive the kingdom until "when he was returned, having received the kingdom" (Luke 19:15) or "at my coming" (Luke 19:23). For this reason, Jesus "called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come" (Luke 19:13). At his coming, or when he returns to receive the kingdom, Jesus will reward his faithful servants with authority over cities (Luke 19:17, 19) because he will establish the kingdom of God here on earth at that time, and his servants will reign and rule with him here for 1000 years during his coming Millennial Reign.

Furthermore, if the kingdom of God had already come during Christ's incarnation, then why did Jesus instruct his disciples to pray in the following manner?

Mat 6:9
After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11
Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Jesus instructed his disciples to pray for the kingdom of God to come because it obviously had not come yet at that time.
 

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That is precisely what he said in the parable.

Luk 19:11
And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
Luk 19:12
He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
Luk 19:13
And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
Luk 19:14
But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
Luk 19:15
And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
Luk 19:16
Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
Luk 19:17
And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
Luk 19:18
And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
Luk 19:19
And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
Luk 19:20
And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
Luk 19:21
For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
Luk 19:22
And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
Luk 19:23
Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
Luk 19:24
And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
Luk 19:25
(And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
Luk 19:26
For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
Luk 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Jesus taught this parable because he was nigh or near Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear (Luke 19:11). The people were looking for the right thing, but their timing was off. In other words, it had long been prophesied, and in more places than one, that Christ, as the son of David, would one day inherit David's throne while reigning over this earth from Jerusalem. In fact, the angel Gabriel reiterated this promise to Mary.

Luk 1:30
And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
Luk 1:31
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33
And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

This is what the people of Jesus' day were looking for, but, again, their timing was off.

In this parable, Jesus is the "certain nobleman" who "went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return" (Luke 19:12) or he is the one who left heaven and came to earth in order to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. Jesus clearly stated that he would not receive the kingdom until "when he was returned, having received the kingdom" (Luke 19:15) or "at my coming" (Luke 19:23). For this reason, Jesus "called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come" (Luke 19:13). At his coming, or when he returns to receive the kingdom, Jesus will reward his faithful servants with authority over cities (Luke 19:17, 19) because he will establish the kingdom of God here on earth at that time, and his servants will reign and rule with him here for 1000 years during his coming Millennial Reign.

Furthermore, if the kingdom of God had already come during Christ's incarnation, then why did Jesus instruct his disciples to pray in the following manner?

Mat 6:9
After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11
Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Jesus instructed his disciples to pray for the kingdom of God to come because it obviously had not come yet at that time.
Is His kingdom not in you?
 
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Is His kingdom not in you?
Is your question based upon what Jesus said in Luke 17:21?

Luk 17:20
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Who was Jesus talking to here?

As the text clearly indicates, he was talking to the Pharisees.

Do you honestly believe that Jesus was telling the Pharisees that the kingdom of God was within them or inside of them?

Like it or not, they are the "you" to whom he was referring. If you do believe that the Pharisees had the kingdom of God within them, then God help you.

In reality, what Jesus actually said here was that the kingdom of God was "among them" or "in their midst" in the sense that they were presently conversing with the King of the kingdom himself. This not only agrees with the context, but this is also how many Bible translations translate this verse.

New International Version
nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

New Living Translation
You won’t be able to say, ‘Here it is!’ or ‘It’s over there!’ For the Kingdom of God is already among you.”

English Standard Version
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

Berean Standard Bible
Nor will people say, ‘Look, here it is,’ or ‘There it is.’ For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

Berean Literal Bible
nor will they say, 'Behold here,' or 'There.' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."

King James Bible
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

New King James Version
nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”

New American Standard Bible
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

NASB 1995
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

NASB 1977
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

Legacy Standard Bible
nor will they say, ‘Look, here!’ or, ‘There!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

Amplified Bible
nor will people say, ‘Look! Here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For the kingdom of God is among you [because of My presence].

Christian Standard Bible
no one will say, ‘See here! ’ or ‘There! ’ For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

Holman Christian Standard Bible
no one will say, ‘Look here!’ or ‘There!’ For you see, the kingdom of God is among you.”

American Standard Version
neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.

Contemporary English Version
There is no use saying, 'Look! Here it is' or 'Look! There it is.' God's kingdom is here with you."

English Revised Version
neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
They can't say, 'Here it is!' or 'There it is!' You see, the kingdom of God is within you."

Good News Translation
No one will say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!'; because the Kingdom of God is within you."

International Standard Version
People won't be saying, 'Look! Here it is!' or 'There it is!' because now the kingdom of God is among you."

Majority Standard Bible
Nor will people say, ?Look, here it is,? or ?There it is.? For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst.?

NET Bible
nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is in your midst."

New Heart English Bible
neither will they say, 'Look, here.' or, 'Look, there.' for the Kingdom of God is within you."

Webster's Bible Translation
Neither will they say, Lo here! or lo there! for behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Weymouth New Testament
Nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' --for the Kingdom of God is within you."

World English Bible
neither will they say, ‘Look, here!’ or, ‘Look, there!’ for behold, God’s Kingdom is within you.”
 

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Is your question based upon what Jesus said in Luke 17:21?

Luk 17:20
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Who was Jesus talking to here?

As the text clearly indicates, he was talking to the Pharisees.

Do you honestly believe that Jesus was telling the Pharisees that the kingdom of God was within them or inside of them?

Like it or not, they are the "you" to whom he was referring. If you do believe that the Pharisees had the kingdom of God within them, then God help you.

In reality, what Jesus actually said here was that the kingdom of God was "among them" or "in their midst" in the sense that they were presently conversing with the King of the kingdom himself. This not only agrees with the context, but this is also how many Bible translations translate this verse.

New International Version
nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

New Living Translation
You won’t be able to say, ‘Here it is!’ or ‘It’s over there!’ For the Kingdom of God is already among you.”

English Standard Version
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

Berean Standard Bible
Nor will people say, ‘Look, here it is,’ or ‘There it is.’ For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

Berean Literal Bible
nor will they say, 'Behold here,' or 'There.' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."

King James Bible
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

New King James Version
nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”

New American Standard Bible
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

NASB 1995
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

NASB 1977
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

Legacy Standard Bible
nor will they say, ‘Look, here!’ or, ‘There!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

Amplified Bible
nor will people say, ‘Look! Here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For the kingdom of God is among you [because of My presence].

Christian Standard Bible
no one will say, ‘See here! ’ or ‘There! ’ For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

Holman Christian Standard Bible
no one will say, ‘Look here!’ or ‘There!’ For you see, the kingdom of God is among you.”

American Standard Version
neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.

Contemporary English Version
There is no use saying, 'Look! Here it is' or 'Look! There it is.' God's kingdom is here with you."

English Revised Version
neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
They can't say, 'Here it is!' or 'There it is!' You see, the kingdom of God is within you."

Good News Translation
No one will say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!'; because the Kingdom of God is within you."

International Standard Version
People won't be saying, 'Look! Here it is!' or 'There it is!' because now the kingdom of God is among you."

Majority Standard Bible
Nor will people say, ?Look, here it is,? or ?There it is.? For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst.?

NET Bible
nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is in your midst."

New Heart English Bible
neither will they say, 'Look, here.' or, 'Look, there.' for the Kingdom of God is within you."

Webster's Bible Translation
Neither will they say, Lo here! or lo there! for behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Weymouth New Testament
Nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' --for the Kingdom of God is within you."

World English Bible
neither will they say, ‘Look, here!’ or, ‘Look, there!’ for behold, God’s Kingdom is within you.”
A kingdom exists wherever there is a ruler and subjects who consent or are compelled to obey. You belong spiritually to one of 2 kingdoms.
Jesus says His kingdom was not of this world. That doesn't mean His kingdom is not in this world, simply not of it. His disciples were looking for a natural kingdom as in the time of David. So were the Pharisees. So regardless who He was speaking to, He was dispelling the notion of a kingdom with physical boundaries won by physical means.

There are separate eschatological issues that undergird your beliefs as well that would need to be worked through for fuller understanding.
 
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A kingdom exists wherever there is a ruler and subjects who consent or are compelled to obey. You belong spiritually to one of 2 kingdoms.
Jesus says His kingdom was not of this world. That doesn't mean His kingdom is not in this world, simply not of it. His disciples were looking for a natural kingdom as in the time of David. So were the Pharisees. So regardless who He was speaking to, He was dispelling the notion of a kingdom with physical boundaries won by physical means.

There are separate eschatological issues that undergird your beliefs as well that would need to be worked through for fuller understanding.
I have a simple question for you. Let us see if you can or will answer it.

Why did Jesus tell his disciples to pray "Thy kingdom come?"
 

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Back to original question in post #1'

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed,

When are/were these kings reigning??
 

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I am wondering why you even comment if you have no interest in eschatology. Bible is full of eschatology studies but I will agree it is not for you. :)
I did not say I had no interest, I said lack of studying, it seems one of us has a lack of detail.

Are we not told to prepare the way?. Is not the temple yet to be built? Did I miss the thousand year reign. Is there prophecy yet to be fulfilled?
As we are instructed to pray, your kingdom to come your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Your probably right it's not for me I'm finding to many bumps in the road.
 

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I did not say I had no interest, I said lack of studying, it seems one of us has a lack of detail.

Are we not told to prepare the way?. Is not the temple yet to be built? Did I miss the thousand year reign. Is there prophecy yet to be fulfilled?
As we are instructed to pray, your kingdom to come your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Your probably right it's not for me I'm finding to many bumps in the road.
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Then dont let me discourage you
 

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What I believe about any future reign does not change my view on Daniel 2.
Fair enough…

My view is that these ten toes do represent 10 Kings ruling the earth before Christ’s second coming. These kings are the result of angels mingling their seed with the daughters of men, iron mixed with clay. These kings are giants in the earth. Wherever we see the promise of Genesis 3:15 being fulfilled, these giants show up.
 

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I have a simple question for you. Let us see if you can or will answer it.

Why did Jesus tell his disciples to pray "Thy kingdom come?"
Because it hadn't come yet. He was speaking before the cross.

What does Jesus' kingdom consist in? Rule in hearts or rule over a geographic location?
 

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Because it hadn't come yet. He was speaking before the cross.

What does Jesus' kingdom consist in? Rule in hearts or rule over a geographic location?
to see after the cross, verses before the cross is wisdom given from Father, Daddy Papa, to me anyways
We today here on earth are after the cross, where one can see in Hebrews 11, those before the cross waited for that day to happen and be done. We after the cross are now looking back as those before were looking forward, thanks for your post
The Dividing line of human history
Before the Cross
After the Cross
Time to Cross over in Father's Spirit and Truth thank you
 

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Fair enough…

My view is that these ten toes do represent 10 Kings ruling the earth before Christ’s second coming. These kings are the result of angels mingling their seed with the daughters of men, iron mixed with clay. These kings are giants in the earth. Wherever we see the promise of Genesis 3:15 being fulfilled, these giants show up.
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I agree John146

Iron are angels and clay are human, not just strong and weak
 

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Because it hadn't come yet. He was speaking before the cross.

What does Jesus' kingdom consist in? Rule in hearts or rule over a geographic location?
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Good question

I think it is an end time prayer for the Tribulation

“‘Our Father in heaven, ---------------Yeshua/Jesus
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,------------------trial/ testing----aka Tribulation
but deliver us from the evil--------------------------------evil one------aka antichrist
 

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Good question

I think it is an end time prayer for the Tribulation

“‘Our Father in heaven, ---------------Yeshua/Jesus
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,------------------trial/ testing----aka Tribulation
but deliver us from the evil--------------------------------evil one------aka antichrist
Daily bread and forgiveness suggest a model for prayer on a regular basis.
 

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The Seventh Trumpet
The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.”

Rev 17:12 The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed,
 

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The Seventh Trumpet
The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.”

Rev 17:12 The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed,
Why don't you believe Jesus set up this kingdom in the 1st century and been growing it ever since?
 

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Daily bread and forgiveness suggest a model for prayer on a regular basis.
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I was thinking thankful/grateful for if you believe---

Matthew 6:31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?
 

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Why don't you believe Jesus set up this kingdom in the 1st century and been growing it ever since?
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We who believe are set apart and will be part of the future kingdom mentioned in Revelations. Remember what he was trying to tell Nicodemus--the question was 'to enter the Kingdom of God'

We certainly aren't living in it now
 

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I was thinking thankful/grateful for if you believe---

Matthew 6:31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?
A great point, but we are to cast all our cares upon Him...1 Peter 5:7. Certainly we should in faith trust the great Shepherd of the sheep to provide us the care required, but a moment by moment living in dependency would require giving and receiving. And keeping short accounts with God concerning the debts we accrue as a result of sin would lend itself to frequent, if not, continuous prayer. Who actually tabernacles with the Father and Son as is available according to Jesus in John 14?