Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Yeah I’m just talking about what’s plainly written down in scripture there in genesis doesn’t seem One needs to be married to understand better not really sure why you went to this place lol I was just talking about those scriptures and what they obviously and plainly state.
are you saying Adam loved eve so much tbat he committed suicide ? How would adam eating the fruit because “eve was pleading for him to save her “ help her ? I guess it’s the original Romeo and Juliet but in reverse or ?
seems more likely the serpent spoke about the fruit to eve , she ate it believing what he said and then she spoke to Adam about the fruit and he ate some also.
Maybe it just that Adam was a great lover of eve and became suicidal I suppose but it doesn’t seem to be Indictated in any way. Seems to be more basic than a mystery
they were given the commandment and warning about death . Eve was beguiled when she spoke to the serpent about the fruit and ate some . Then she spoke to her husband and he ate some also which she also gave to him .
both had broken the commandment tbey were made aware of which means both sinned broke the same commandment knowingly. The driving force was what Satan convinced eve of , and God says the causation is that he hearkened to the voice of his wife and ate the fruit he commanded them not to eat. And the result was the curse on the earth and mankind’s flesh soon followed.
pauls point is that eve was the one who first sinned and was Theo deceived you see her mind change from this
“And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. ( correct mindset )
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
( now her mind about the fruit has changed ) And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, ( she’s been beguiled she knew it was certain death by Gods word but affter speaking with the serpent , she now has been deceived to think it’s not going to harm her it’s good for food ) and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, ( it won’t hurt you as God said it’s good food , it will actually make you wise as gods is her perception of the fruit now ) she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”
Genesis 3:2-6 KJV
She was led to eat the fruit by a subtle conversation with someone with the wrong intent. Beguiled to believe “the fruit wasn’t as God said but was good for them “
It’s what motivates her to act clearly . The reason we know adams motivation is the same process just by listening
“And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;”
Genesis 3:17 KJV
Maybe she was his boss lol idk but for sure he hearkened to her words and are the fruit just as she had to the serpents words and eaten the fruit
pauls argument is that she was the one who was deceived and failed and led the man into it as well . She listened to the serpent and he listened to her whatever it was she said it led him to do it “ because you have hearkened to her voice and eaten the fruit …”
Just my own opinion according to what I’ve read and shared ect seems like Paul isnt saying “ Adam never was deceived and sinned “ but he’s just explaining how man has authority over his wife and in church and his reasoning is back to Adam and Eve and that she was the weaker link that “ caused” then to fall
are you saying Adam loved eve so much tbat he committed suicide ? How would adam eating the fruit because “eve was pleading for him to save her “ help her ? I guess it’s the original Romeo and Juliet but in reverse or ?
seems more likely the serpent spoke about the fruit to eve , she ate it believing what he said and then she spoke to Adam about the fruit and he ate some also.
Maybe it just that Adam was a great lover of eve and became suicidal I suppose but it doesn’t seem to be Indictated in any way. Seems to be more basic than a mystery
they were given the commandment and warning about death . Eve was beguiled when she spoke to the serpent about the fruit and ate some . Then she spoke to her husband and he ate some also which she also gave to him .
both had broken the commandment tbey were made aware of which means both sinned broke the same commandment knowingly. The driving force was what Satan convinced eve of , and God says the causation is that he hearkened to the voice of his wife and ate the fruit he commanded them not to eat. And the result was the curse on the earth and mankind’s flesh soon followed.
pauls point is that eve was the one who first sinned and was Theo deceived you see her mind change from this
“And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. ( correct mindset )
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
( now her mind about the fruit has changed ) And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, ( she’s been beguiled she knew it was certain death by Gods word but affter speaking with the serpent , she now has been deceived to think it’s not going to harm her it’s good for food ) and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, ( it won’t hurt you as God said it’s good food , it will actually make you wise as gods is her perception of the fruit now ) she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”
Genesis 3:2-6 KJV
She was led to eat the fruit by a subtle conversation with someone with the wrong intent. Beguiled to believe “the fruit wasn’t as God said but was good for them “
It’s what motivates her to act clearly . The reason we know adams motivation is the same process just by listening
“And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;”
Genesis 3:17 KJV
Maybe she was his boss lol idk but for sure he hearkened to her words and are the fruit just as she had to the serpents words and eaten the fruit
pauls argument is that she was the one who was deceived and failed and led the man into it as well . She listened to the serpent and he listened to her whatever it was she said it led him to do it “ because you have hearkened to her voice and eaten the fruit …”
Just my own opinion according to what I’ve read and shared ect seems like Paul isnt saying “ Adam never was deceived and sinned “ but he’s just explaining how man has authority over his wife and in church and his reasoning is back to Adam and Eve and that she was the weaker link that “ caused” then to fall
Why did the woman add to the command by adding... "shall not even touch!"
Apparently, out of innocent curiosity she had been intrigued with this mysterious fruit.
Probably she observed and studied it with great intrigue.
Then one day when reaching out to see how it feels?
That is when Adam commanded her to not even touch!
Satan had been observing the two, and knew from her actions that his weak spot to attack was to be the woman.
Apparently, out of innocent curiosity she had been intrigued with this mysterious fruit.
Probably she observed and studied it with great intrigue.
Then one day when reaching out to see how it feels?
That is when Adam commanded her to not even touch!
Satan had been observing the two, and knew from her actions that his weak spot to attack was to be the woman.
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That's why Jesus said that many are called (SAVED) but only few are Chosen ( qualified to reign with Him).
Many who are called have been"JUSTIFIED!" = SAVED!
grace and peace.
"And those he predestined, he also called;
those he called, he also justified; those he
justified, he also glorified." Romans 8:30
Many who are called have been"JUSTIFIED!" = SAVED!
grace and peace.
Have you figured out yet that that the authentic book of Jasher was lost to history and that all six of the Pharisee-created forgeries of Book of Jasher come from 200-500 AD, 1100s AD (for two of them), 1200s AD, 1400s AD, and finally the most famous one from the 1500s AD? This means no matter which one you pick they were all made thousands of years after the authentic book of Jasher which was lost, thousands of years after Joshua and David whom cite the lost book, and that they were all known to be made by the Pharisees, which to say the very least means they're pretty blatant forgeries and for this reason they were never accepted into the canon.
It is because of the Bible, even all those verses are great reasons, to reject the scam of freewill, for there is no decision made without influence or consequence. In fact all these verses give excellent proof to believe in God's will and that God's will indeed will be done and these verses do well to rob them of their excuses. Indeed Jesus will return and mete out all judgment, and not even a single person will ever escape this ultimate destiny.
Matthew 22:14
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Matthew 22:14
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Yeah... you just said something to me... no words were spoken, and nobody heard a thing. Ponder that and you
might come to a deeper understanding of what I am talking about, instead of just dismissing it offhandedly.
John 8:43, 47, Acts 13:48, Romans 8:8 ~ John 8:43 “Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message.” John 8:47 “Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” Acts 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord, and all who were appointed for eternal life believed. Romans 8:8 Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.
might come to a deeper understanding of what I am talking about, instead of just dismissing it offhandedly.
John 8:43, 47, Acts 13:48, Romans 8:8 ~ John 8:43 “Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message.” John 8:47 “Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” Acts 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord, and all who were appointed for eternal life believed. Romans 8:8 Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.
Can you see the possibility that, since Adam was with her when he ate, and this happened in relatively close proximity to the context of an account of the serpent's exchange with Eve, that the eating was done in the setting of such as, say, an intimate dinner on Valentine's Day?
Adam wasn't deceived, but neither did he argue with Eve's 'voice' in either possible scenarios that have been suggested. That is, he never spoke up saying, "no, Eve, this is not good for food."
Adam wasn't deceived, but neither did he argue with Eve's 'voice' in either possible scenarios that have been suggested. That is, he never spoke up saying, "no, Eve, this is not good for food."
Yeah... you just said something to me... no words were spoken, and nobody heard a thing. Ponder that and you
might come to a deeper understanding of what I am talking about, instead of just dismissing it offhandedly.
John 8:43, 47, Acts 13:48, Romans 8:8 ~ John 8:43 “Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message.” John 8:47 “Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” Acts 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord, and all who were appointed for eternal life believed. Romans 8:8 Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.
might come to a deeper understanding of what I am talking about, instead of just dismissing it offhandedly.
John 8:43, 47, Acts 13:48, Romans 8:8 ~ John 8:43 “Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message.” John 8:47 “Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” Acts 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord, and all who were appointed for eternal life believed. Romans 8:8 Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.
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