Temple of God

TMS · Sunday at 1:39 PM

But Israel now anyone that believes in Jesus..
Most Jews do not believe in Jesus and the Talmud which is the main book that Jews teach from, speaks against Jesus.

The facts are that there is no real Levites today.....
The duties of the Levitical priesthood included: the teaching of the Law, Leviticus 10:11; offering the sacrifices, Leviticus chapter 9; maintaining the Tabernacle and the Temple, Numbers 18:3; officiating in the Holy Place, Exodus 30:7-10; inspecting ceremonially unclean persons, Leviticus chapters 13 and 14;...etc

Who will preform these duties?

The promises of God are mostly conditional. Isreal failed when they rejected Jesus.

The literal temple is a distraction.. like the Jews in Jesus's day, they were looking for a worldly king, they were looking for worldly power and salvation. Jesus didn't fit that box so they rejected Him.

Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

People are falling into the same trap.

They are looking to this world.
The kingdom of God is in Heaven.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Jesus wasn't looking to a future temple.
Joh 14:2-3
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Luk 10:10-12
10 But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say, 11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you. 12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.
Luk 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

Most Jews dispise Jesus. If they admit that they were wrong and repent they would no longer be a Jew but a Christian.

Gal 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

How can the literal Jews be one with Christians? While ever they reject Jesus they are not heirs according to the promise.

TMS · Sunday at 1:58 PM

I know you didn't all study the topic about Futurism, but this is the fruit of it.

Futurism was invented to change the way people interpret prophesy.

A big part of the deception was to turn people's understanding away from the spiritual to the literal.

The concept of a literal Israel and Temple was accepted and like a disease it has spread to most churches.

Just because your church or favorite minister teaches something does not prove that it is true.

The devil is the best at lying and deceiving. He is good at distracting people.

But God has given us the word.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

TMS · Sunday at 2:04 PM

homwardbound said:

If your attention is on the literal temple and you are focused on a antichrist to step into a literal temple, then you do not see that the antichrist has already stepped into the Spiritual temple.

See the deception.....

TMS · Sunday at 2:40 PM

Mat 23:37-39
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

When Jesus comes in all His glory, there is no word to indicate that He will stay....

1Th 4:16-17
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Co 15:50-54
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.....27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Lots of deception will be happening....

Jesus declared that He would not return to any localized area of the earth. “Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. … Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not” (Matthew 24:23–26).

If people say Jesus is in the literal temple, is that the truth? Believe it not...

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him,...

Mat 24:30-31
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The Bible is clear...

There is no biblical reason to think that Jesus will return multiple times..

2Th 1:7-10
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

There are lots of lies about this subject. But the bible is clear.

keepingthingsreal · Sunday at 2:43 PM

TMS said:

I agree.

TMS said:

True, and?

TMS said:

If you have been paying attention, then you know that the Jews have long had people in place to perform these duties in their coming temple.

TMS said:

They failed, in part, but there is still a believing remnant.

TMS said:

They were looking for the right thing, but at the wrong time. In other words, Jesus will be an earthly king at his second coming. You know, that whole "Thy kingdom come; Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven" thing that he taught his disciples to pray.

TMS said:

His kingdom comes from heaven, but it will be set up here on the earth as many portions of scripture prove.

TMS said:

Says you. Certain Jews may be falling into a trap in that they do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah or Christ, but Christians who rightly divide the word know that a third Jewish temple is coming in Jerusalem. You know, like I just documented from the prophet Micah in my last post here. You conveniently ignored everything that I said, and we both know why that is. Right? Right.

TMS said:

And people cannot enter into this kingdom without glorified bodies.

1Co 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Nobody is entering into the kingdom of God without a glorified body, and nobody will receive one until the time of Christ's second coming as he comes to establish the kingdom of God right here on earth. At that time, Christ will reign over the earth from within a rebuilt temple upon Mt. Zion in Jerusalem; even as I documented in my last post here.

TMS said:

Thank you for proving my point. Unlike so many brainwashed sheeple today, Jesus understood that "my Father's house" is a temple in Jerusalem. Here, Jesus was merely telling those to whom he was actually speaking that there are many "rooms" ("mansions" is a terrible mistranslation) in the coming temple, and that they will be with him there when he returns to this earth at his second coming.

TMS said:

They would be Jewish Christians, and?

TMS said:

I never said that they would be? Unless, of course, "the literal Jews" are believers in Jesus Christ.

TMS said:

I totally agree, but this has no bearing on the coming third temple in Jerusalem whatsoever.

Anyhow, I am not going to argue with you or anybody else here. I have already shown you that the Bible prophesies or foretells of a third Jewish temple upon Mt. Zion in Jerusalem, and I could easily show other prophecies which foretell of the same exact thing. If you want to believe fantasies as opposed to the word of God, then that is on you.

HeIsHere · Sunday at 3:48 PM

TMS said:

Yes history repeats.

I cannot see how the sacrifices resuming is in keeping with the word of God, it denigrates the work of Christ Jesus on the cross.

Both scripture and history show the complete end of the system of temple sacrifices and all was fulfilled in Christ Jesus.

And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 2:4-5

So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
Ephesians 2:19-22

Omegatime · Sunday at 6:14 PM

When this literal temple is rebuilt Israel does not know they are building it for the antichrist in the Tribulation IMO

Aaron56 · Sunday at 6:54 PM

Omegatime said:

Believers should look for deception instead of a physical temple. Look for someone who panders to the church yet is corrupt and immoral. Like Satan did with the Roman church, look for someone promising moral changes, increased financial well-fare, and preferred status at the political table.

keepingthingsreal · Sunday at 7:57 PM

HeIsHere said:

Yes, it does. In other words, people like you and others here totally ignore the evidence which is presented while offering up straw man arguments of your own instead. I am no prophet, but I could have easily predicted that.

HeIsHere said:

It is not keeping with the word of God in the sense that God somehow ordained it. Instead, it is keeping with the word of God in the sense that God has foretold what certain wicked people will do in the end times.

HeIsHere said:

You are absolute correct, and I have never uttered or implied a single word that is contrary to this truth.

The issue with the coming third temple is two-fold.

1. Unbelieving Jews, or Jews who have rejected Jesus as the Messiah, desire a rebuilt temple in order to restore temple sacrifices. Of course, these restored sacrifices are a blatant denial of Christ's atoning work which he has already accomplished, and God has not ordained the same. Instead, God has merely foretold what these non-believing Jews will do in the last days just prior to Christ's second coming.

2. God's design for the rebuilt temple has everything to do with what I previously addressed from the prophet Micah. Like it or not (apparently not, but you should change your faulty theology), when Jesus returns, he will reign over this earth from within a rebuilt temple upon Mt. Zion in Jerusalem. I already gave you one example of this from scripture, and I could just as easily provide several more for you and others to willfully shut your eyes to.

HeIsHere said:

This is true as well, but it does not negate the fact that the Bible has things to say about both a physical temple and a spiritual temple. You have shut your eyes to the former, but you are not going stop what God has said will come to pass in the last days from coming to pass.

Now, let us see if anybody here wants to address what I posted in relation to Micah's end-time prophecy or if I will just see more straw man arguments posted here instead.

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/rhetorical-devices/straw-man-fallacy/

What is a straw man argument?

A straw man argument, sometimes called a straw person argument or spelled strawman argument, is the logical fallacy of distorting an opposing position into an extreme version of itself and then arguing against that extreme version. In creating a straw man argument, the arguer strips the opposing point of view of any nuance and often misrepresents it in a negative light.

The straw man fallacy is an informal fallacy, which means that the flaw lies with the arguer’s method of arguing rather than the flaws of the argument itself. The straw man fallacy avoids the opponent’s actual argument and instead argues against an inaccurate caricature of it. By doing this, the straw man fallacy is a fallacy of relevance, because with it the arguer doesn’t engage with the relevant components of their opposer’s position.

SomeDisciple · Sunday at 9:37 PM

Omegatime said:

It's not in scripture; but everyone knows the anti-christ will enter the human body by hijacking the Magic School Bus and hiding in people's ice cream. It's the beast ice cream. 6 ounces of 6 flavors, in 6 colors. At the store they will check to see if your tongue is all 6 colors and if it's not you can't buy anything except the ice cream.

I don't think it will be constructed "for" the a/c; even though he temporarily occupies it. It could be built by believers overseen by the two witnesses; who all know it will be captured.

TMS · Monday at 6:28 AM

keepingthingsreal said:

I addressed this.
Jesus has come and gone. He walked in the 2nd temple and conquered the world by not sinning and dieing for our sins.
Most prophesies are conditional.
The 70 week prophesy in Dan 9 finished and Israel did not accept Jesus.
In the middle of the 70th week Jesus died and told the disciples to witness to the house of Israel first. Acts shows that many accepted Jesus but that many didn't. .
Their time was up.
Jesus said Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

The only time the word "temple" is found in Micah is ..Mic 1:2 Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord GOD be witness against you, the Lord from his holy temple.

The holy temple is in Heaven above.
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Jesus is in the Heavenly temple now as the high priest, advocating our sins.

It is not a strawman argument.

The facts are plan. Paul wrote in many places that the temple is Spiritual and that there is no distinction between the Jew or gentile today.

We are all one in Jesus.

With so many verses pointing to us being the Spiritual temple and that we are Spiritual Israel by believing in Jesus this leaves the literal argument without foundation.

Jimbone · Monday at 6:40 AM

Omegatime said:

It can't be. We (every believer) are the Temple of God now. Anything men build without Gods command is just a stack of rocks, The temple always pointed to Jesus, to build it now would make no sense at all and would be an insult to our seated King. The only way a "God's Temple" can be built is if He commands it built, I know of no such command and was under the impression that scripture was closed and Jesus is how we reconnect to His Spirit. Men can't just build a "God's Temple".

TMS · Monday at 6:42 AM

People build a theory on one bible verse in the new Testament
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Like I said... this is one verse. Paul wrote many other points about the temple and they all say that we, as Christians are the living temple of God.

The word used in the verse above can mean a literal temple OR metaphorically the spiritual temple consisting of the saints joined together by and in Christ. Which makes more sense when you compare it to the rest of Paul's writings??

TMS · Monday at 6:48 AM

Jimbone said:

Yes, Jesus went back to Heaven to build mansions for us and Revelation describes the Heavenly Jerusalem which contains the throne of God.

Joh 14:2-3
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

TMS · Monday at 7:02 AM

What about the second most sacred building for the Muslims. The dome of the rock... ? What will happen to it?

Luk 9:54-56
54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? 55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. 56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

Melach · Monday at 7:04 AM

Omegatime said:

even if it is built i dont know if its biblically significant in the new covenant. the temple was already destroyed, no need for a repeat. this is why it has been destroyed everytime they have tried to rebuild it, once with an earthquake.

that temple would be an abomination, not the ceasing of its sacrifices.

Melach · Monday at 7:40 AM

TMS said:

The word temple = naos

1. used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice
2. any heathen temple or shrine
3. metaphorically the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages joined together by and in Christ

It could easily mean the church of Christ.

Metaphorically the spiritual temple.

Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world. Paul states that we are the temple.

The verse above fits perfectly with anyone that proclaims to be God in the church.

The pope does that.

It is impossible to build a 3rd temple according to Gods law.

yeah thats how i see i believe it too. thats how the reformers believed it.

HeIsHere · Monday at 7:53 AM

TMS said:

I would agree the problem always comes down to hermeneutics, very important to distinguish what are concrete and what are abstract meanings of passages.

homwardbound · Monday at 7:54 AM

TMS said:

the end has begun, since the resurrection of Son for us the people to be focused on God for a new life of love to all, that to me is the call, I am given. I do not know how you get the interpreting you got, written above, yet thanks.
Jesus and Father as Won for me and the entire world of people, is the completed salvation for anyone yet to believe in God Father with, the two, as Won (One) Son is risen, new life now offered for all in risen Son.
Noting: every Epistles written we have in the Bible; note Son and Father are two, yet one. Read the Beginning part of each Epistle thanks
Evil began on that day the first Adam ate for all mankind. Father saw it all, predicted Son to come here to earth and reconcile us all first through his willing death for us all to either believe it and see it or not, in his being risen where new life is at for us all to be new in Father's Spirit and Truth, reckoned dead to the flesh nature, thank you, Or continue to be selfish as flesh is selfish Phil 3 as we all know that truth in each of us as people.

rrcn · Monday at 7:54 AM

keepingthingsreal said:

That prophecy was fulfilled in 70 AD when the Romans destroyed the temple and crucified over a million Jews. All the Christians fled Jerusalem when in the middle of the siege the Romans withdrew from around the city. When the Romans came back they exacted their revenge on the inhabitants but the people who believed the prophecy were long gone.

[Luk 21:20-24 KJV] 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

This is what Josephus said about the destruction of Jerusalem:

"What was done here makes the mind shudder. The slaughter was so great that the blood flowed down the streets, and the dead bodies floated about in every direction, making the city a scene of horror and devastation."

Josephus, The Jewish War, Book VI, Chapter 9, Section 3.

"The soldiers also demolished the wall of the inner court of the temple, on which it was written in Hebrew, 'Do not enter,' and a golden eagle was fixed there on the spot where it had been. They then brought out the prisoners, who were about five thousand in number, and killed them all, though they had surrendered, and were under the protection of the law of war, by crucifying them around the temple and the city."

Josephus, The Jewish War, Book VI, Chapter 6, Section 115.

More than one prophecy was fulfilled at that time.
This event marked a significant and tragic moment in Jewish history, leading to the dispersal of the Jewish population and the end of the Jewish state until the modern era. This was the fulfillment of a conditional prophecy:

Deuteronomy 28:64 (KJV): "And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone."
Leviticus 26:33 (KJV): "And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste."
Jeremiah 9:16 (KJV): "I will scatter them also among the heathen, whom neither they nor their fathers have known: and I will send a sword after them, till I have consumed them."
Ezekiel 12:15 (KJV): "And they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall scatter them among the nations, and disperse them in the countries."

Mat 23:37 KJV
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 KJV
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

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