God gave the law about Circumcision.

[Soyeong]

You need to read with more understanding....
Romans 7 .....
4 So, my dear brothers and sisters, this is the point: You died to the power of the law when you died with Christ. And now you are united with the one who was raised from the dead. As a result, we can produce a harvest of good deeds for God. 5 When we were controlled by our old nature,[b] sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful deeds, resulting in death. 6 But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.

The Law of God leads us to do what is godly, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) while the law of sin leads us in the opposite direction by staring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death (Romans 7:5), so it is important to be careful not to mistake things that were said in regard to the laws of sin as being in regard to the Law of God. In Romans 6:14, Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which does not describe the Law of God, but rather that is the role of the law of sin. In Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in Romans 3:20, it is by the Law of God that we have knowledge of what sin is, so we are still under it, but are not under the law of sin. In Romans 6:16 we are slaves of the one whom we obey, either of the law of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience to the Law of God, which leads to righteousness. In Romans 6:17-18, we have been set free from the law of sin in order to become slaves of righteousness. In Romans 6:19-23, we are no longer to present ourselves as being slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin, but as slaves to God and to righteousness leading to sanctification, and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God.

So Romans 7:1-6 should not be interpreted in a way that rejects God's gift of eternal life. In Romans 7:1-3, at no point was the woman set free from needing to obey the Law of God, so there is nothing that leads to conclusion in verse 4 that in the same way we have been set free needing to obey the Law of God. When we died with Christ, we died to the power of the law of sin, not the Law of God. The way to be unified with God's word made flesh is not by dying to God's word, but just the opposite. Likewise, the way to bear fruit unto God is not by dying to His instructions for how to bear fruit for Him, but rather we needed to die to the law of sin that was hindering us from obeying those instructions. In Romans 7:22-23, Paul delighted in obeying the Law of God, but contrasted it with the law of sin, which held him captive, so it would be absurd to interpret Romans 7:5 as referring to the Law of God as if Paul delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, but rather that is the role of the law of sin, and it would likewise be absurd to interpret Romans 7:6 as if Paul delighted in being held captive to sin, but rather it is the law of sin that he described as holding him captive.

 

[Dino246]

Good works are not extrinsic to salvation, so we are not required to have first done enough good works in order to earn our salvation as the result and we are not required to do good works as the result of having first been saved, but rather the experience being a doer of good works is intrinsically part of God's gift of saving us from not being a doer of good works. Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so Jesus graciously teaching us to be a doer of it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it.

That's just silly.

Basically what you're saying is that Jesus saves us from being unsaved. Your reasoning is circular... and wrong. You don't understand Christian salvation.

 

[Godsgood]

Deuteronomy 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

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Yes, because those who were not Spiritually Circumcise by Our Lord Jesus have hardened Heart.
Once a man is already Spiritually Circumcise will be given a soft heart.
A Hearth of Flesh.
EZEKIEL 11:19
19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Example of a person who is not Spiritually Circumcise that has a stiff neck or hardened heart is Pharaoh.
EXODUS 14:8
8 And the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursued after the children of Israel: and the children of Israel went out with an high hand.

 

[Dino246]

The Law of God leads us to do what is godly, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) while the law of sin leads us in the opposite direction by staring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death (Romans 7:5), so it is important to be careful not to mistake things that were said in regard to the laws of sin as being in regard to the Law of God. In Romans 6:14, Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which does not describe the Law of God, but rather that is the role of the law of sin. In Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in Romans 3:20, it is by the Law of God that we have knowledge of what sin is, so we are still under it, but are not under the law of sin. In Romans 6:16 we are slaves of the one whom we obey, either of the law of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience to the Law of God, which leads to righteousness. In Romans 6:17-18, we have been set free from the law of sin in order to become slaves of righteousness. In Romans 6:19-23, we are no longer to present ourselves as being slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin, but as slaves to God and to righteousness leading to sanctification, and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God.

So Romans 7:1-6 should not be interpreted in a way that rejects God's gift of eternal life. In Romans 7:1-3, at no point was the woman set free from needing to obey the Law of God, so there is nothing that leads to conclusion in verse 4 that in the same way we have been set free needing to obey the Law of God. When we died with Christ, we died to the power of the law of sin, not the Law of God. The way to be unified with God's word made flesh is not by dying to God's word, but just the opposite. Likewise, the way to bear fruit unto God is not by dying to His instructions for how to bear fruit for Him, but rather we needed to die to the law of sin that was hindering us from obeying those instructions. In Romans 7:22-23, Paul delighted in obeying the Law of God, but contrasted it with the law of sin, which held him captive, so it would be absurd to interpret Romans 7:5 as referring to the Law of God as if Paul delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, but rather that is the role of the law of sin, and it would likewise be absurd to interpret Romans 7:6 as if Paul delighted in being held captive to sin, but rather it is the law of sin that he described as holding him captive.

I have one question for you, and I would like a straightforward answer:

What did Jesus accomplish on the cross for those who believe in Him?

 

[Gideon300]

The Law of God leads us to do what is godly, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) while the law of sin leads us in the opposite direction by staring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death (Romans 7:5), so it is important to be careful not to mistake things that were said in regard to the laws of sin as being in regard to the Law of God. In Romans 6:14, Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which does not describe the Law of God, but rather that is the role of the law of sin. In Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in Romans 3:20, it is by the Law of God that we have knowledge of what sin is, so we are still under it, but are not under the law of sin. In Romans 6:16 we are slaves of the one whom we obey, either of the law of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience to the Law of God, which leads to righteousness. In Romans 6:17-18, we have been set free from the law of sin in order to become slaves of righteousness. In Romans 6:19-23, we are no longer to present ourselves as being slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin, but as slaves to God and to righteousness leading to sanctification, and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God.

So Romans 7:1-6 should not be interpreted in a way that rejects God's gift of eternal life. In Romans 7:1-3, at no point was the woman set free from needing to obey the Law of God, so there is nothing that leads to conclusion in verse 4 that in the same way we have been set free needing to obey the Law of God. When we died with Christ, we died to the power of the law of sin, not the Law of God. The way to be unified with God's word made flesh is not by dying to God's word, but just the opposite. Likewise, the way to bear fruit unto God is not by dying to His instructions for how to bear fruit for Him, but rather we needed to die to the law of sin that was hindering us from obeying those instructions. In Romans 7:22-23, Paul delighted in obeying the Law of God, but contrasted it with the law of sin, which held him captive, so it would be absurd to interpret Romans 7:5 as referring to the Law of God as if Paul delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, but rather that is the role of the law of sin, and it would likewise be absurd to interpret Romans 7:6 as if Paul delighted in being held captive to sin, but rather it is the law of sin that he described as holding him captive.

False statement, false doctrine. The law simply proves to us that we cannot keep the law. I don't what your basis for salvation is, but if you are relying on your obedience to the law, you are without hope. Not wanting to sin empowers no one to live righteously. The law killed me. I was dead in trespass and sin. Jesus raised me from the dead and I am now subject to the new covenant of grace. I don't know why you persist with your dead legalism. The law of the Spirit of life sets me free from the law of sin and death. You try it sometime. God has made all things new, including His covenant with man.

 

[Soyeong]

False statement, false doctrine.

Claiming it is far from demonstrating it to be the case.

The law simply proves to us that we cannot keep the law.

Nowhere does the Bible say that, rather in Romans 10:5-8, it references Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that God's law is not too difficult for us to keep and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as possibility and as a choice, not as something that no one can keep. Likewise, in 1 John 5:3, to love God is to keep His commandments, which are not burdensome. Moreover, there are many examples in the Bible of people who did keep the law, such as in Joshua 22:5, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14. It would be pointless to instruct someone to do something that they can't do just to prove to them that they can't do it and if God had done that, then we would not justly be at fault for not doing it.

I don't what your basis for salvation is, but if you are relying on your obedience to the law, you are without hope.

God is trustworthy, therefore His instructions are also trustworthy, so the way to trust God for salvation is by obediently trusting in His instructions while it would be contradictory for someone to think that we should have faith in God, but not in His instructions. In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith alone, and all of God's covenants are covenants of grace.

Not wanting to sin empowers no one to live righteously.

Repenting is the way to live righteously.

The law killed me.

In Romans 7:12-13, Paul said that the Law of God is good and that it was not that which is good that brought death to him.

I was dead in trespass and sin. Jesus raised me from the dead and I am now subject to the new covenant of grace. I don't know why you persist with your dead legalism.

We need to die to the law of sin in order to be free to obey the Law of God in newness of life, not the other way around. In Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant involves God putting His law in our mind and writing it on our hearts, so if you want noting to do with obeying it, then you want nothing to do with the New Covenant.

The law of the Spirit of life sets me free from the law of sin and death. You try it sometime. God has made all things new, including His covenant with man.

In Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contrast the Law of God with the law of sin and contrasted the Law of the Spirit of Life with the law of sin and death, so the law of God is not the law of sin and death. The Spirit is God, so it doesn't even make sense to interpret that as saying God has set us free from the Law of God as if a house divided against itself could stand. In Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God.

In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed His children to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for Him is if they speak against obeying His law, so if you consider Paul to be a servant of God as I do and you interpret him as doing that, then your only option is to conclude as I do that you must have misinterpreted him, but if you interpret him as doing that and think that your interpretation of him must be correct, then your only option is to conclude that he was a false prophet, but either way you should still obey the Law of God.

 

[Dino246]

Claiming it is far from demonstrating it to be the case.


Nowhere does the Bible say that, rather in Romans 10:5-8, it references Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that God's law is not too difficult for us to keep

No it doesn’t. I already corrected you on this. Are you impervious to truth?

 

[ocean]

A child of God is someone whose life is directed at being in His likeness by being a doer of His character traits in obedience to His law, which is why those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to it are not children of God

How does a person become 'a child of God'?

There can be legitimate and illegitimate reasons for not following a particular law and James 2:10 is only speaking in regard to illegitimate reasons. Even when the law was first given to Moses, there was not a single person who was required to obey all of the laws and not even Jesus obeyed the laws in regard to giving birth or to having a period, so he was not considered to be a lawbreaker because he had a legitimate reason for not following those laws.

Your delineation for observance or non-observance of laws specific to matters of gender do not reflect the rudimentary understanding of anyone capable of comprehending the male/female physicalities and I am certain the Israelites did not exhibit confusion concerning their laws either.

Our salvation from sin would be incomplete if we were only saved from the penalty of our sin while our lives continued to be directed at being doers of sin, so there must be an aspect of our gift of salvation from sin that we are experiencing in the present by directing our lives towards being a doer of God's law. In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously teaching us to be a doer of those works is the aspect of His gift of salvation that we are experiencing in the present.

Your personal mashup of grace and law is not biblical.

I believe that the whole Bible is true, so I do not interpret any part of it as being contrary to another part. I try to support my beliefs with Scripture as thoroughly as I can, so if you think that I'm leaving out verses that do not confirm to my beliefs, then please bring them up. I have no claimed that anyone is saved from brith. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what Jesus spent his ministry teaching by word and by example and in what he accomplished through the cross is by repenting and becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law (Acts 21:20).

God desires us to be conformed to the image of His Son and that is a process. Salvation happens in the moment; sanctification is our walk with Christ in the power of the Holy Spirit as scripture reveals. You do not state when you accepted Christ.
Sadly, your confusion with the law being a part of salvation negates the very purpose of Christ's sacrifice on our behalf. The only way you could possibly arrive at your personal beliefs, which you reference throughout your post(s), is by ignoring a good many passages of scripture that detail why the law has not saved and will never save anyone, no exception.

 

[Magenta]

Your personal mashup of grace and law is not biblical.

They believe the 613 laws are written on our hearts...

 

[ocean]

They believe the 613 laws are written on our hearts...

Aha. Didn't know that. Thanks!

 

[CommodoreTeach]

They believe the 613 laws are written on our hearts...

Chiselled, even, as in 10 commandments style. It takes a lot of hardening - like stone - to enable 613 laws to be chiselled onto one's heart.

 

[CommodoreTeach]

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Yes, because those who were not Spiritually Circumcise by Our Lord Jesus have hardened Heart.
Once a man is already Spiritually Circumcise will be given a soft heart.
A Hearth of Flesh.
EZEKIEL 11:19
19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Example of a person who is not Spiritually Circumcise that has a stiff neck or hardened heart is Pharaoh.
EXODUS 14:8
8 And the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursued after the children of Israel: and the children of Israel went out with an high hand.

Don't forget the Jews who stoned Stephen.

Acts 6: 9 - 14
Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen.
And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake.
Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God.
And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came upon him, and caught him, and brought him to the council,
And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law:
For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us.

Acts 7:51 - 59
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.