My KJV Debate with Jeffrey Dollar

[SomeDisciple]

I think some of the arguments against non-KJV bibles are disingenuous. I would never actually make this argument... but I could say something like.....

"The King James Bible makes Jesus out to be illiterate or LYING about what the scripture says!!!!"

LUKE4 KJV
And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

IS:61 KJV
1The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

"SEE!!! the KJV makes JESUS A LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!" "SEE MY BOLD CAPS!!!!!!!!!!! A LIAAAAARRRRRR!!!!"

Again.... I would never actually make this argument, because I took the time to research this.

So, when people read in other versions that Jesus said he wasn't going up to the feast; but then he does go up after- if you're reading that in faith; you already understand that Jesus does not lie. If I say "I am not going to dinner" at this moment- that's true. I'm not. I will be shortly; and then it won't be true if I say it then; but it was true when I said it.

 

[Blain]

You lie and you dont even know you are lying.

KJV is God's word in English made by the Holy Spirit!

I am not an apostate like you who thinks God died and does not communicate with His people anymore...
I am not an apostate like you who thinks the Holy Ghost no longer lives and works in the believers...
I am not an apostate like you who thinks the best we have is "scholars" guessing at what the word of God could or should be.

The fact you think the Holy Ghost is dead and could not put His words down on paper in English speaks about you not me.

Isaiah 28:9-13



God speaks English better than ANYONE pretends they can speak Greek

1 Thessalonians 2:13


2 Peter 1


The KJV is God's word in English there is no other!

all your accusations against me are false I have said or done none of those things you accuse me of if you knew me at all you would know that
your the one name calling and making false accusations not me and honestly if you cannot keep your cool in a heated discussion like this maybe you shouldn't be in it

Remember what the fruits of the spirit are? well I am sure you do so act on the gifts not your emotions just take a breather and we can talk when you have calmed down until then I have no more to say to you

 

[Jeremiah33v3]

all your accusations against me are false I have said or done none of those things you accuse me of if you knew me at all you would know that
your the one name calling and making false accusations not me and honestly if you cannot keep your cool in a heated discussion like this maybe you shouldn't be in it

Remember what the fruits of the spirit are? well I am sure you do so act on the gifts not your emotions just take a breather and we can talk when you have calmed down until then I have no more to say to you

You say I have lied about you?

prove it.

Where is the 100% Perfect and Pure word of God without 1 error or fault in English?
Where is it, where can I buy a copy?

 

[Blain]

You say I have lied about you?

prove it.

Where is the 100% Perfect and Pure word of God without 1 error or fault in English?
Where is it, where can I buy a copy?

you can buy it anywhere the word of God is the word of God. now as for translations that is for you to decide but the scripture clearly says that all scripture is God breathed so my argument is not against the kjv itself but that the kj is the sole word of God.

what do you think the verse meant if not that?

 

[Jeremiah33v3]

you can buy it anywhere the word of God is the word of God. now as for translations that is for you to decide but the scripture clearly says that all scripture is God breathed so my argument is not against the kjv itself but that the kj is the sole word of God.

what do you think the verse meant if not that?

Come on buddy I am asking you for LIVING WATER. Stop trying to be cheeky and save your face... ANSWER.
You have called yourself Christian for how long? And you don't know where the pure and perfect word of God is?
You quoted Galatians 5 earlier... Surely you would know Galatians 5:9

A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

What is it called? Give me a link to the exact word of God in English... I wait.

I say only the KJV is perfect. how say you?
WHERE IS THE WORD OF GOD THAT CONTAINS NO LEAVEN?
WHAT IS IT'S NAME?
Give me a link so I can buy it right now.

 

[Tall_Timbers]

No Hebrew or Greek was even consulted by Kenneth Taylor. The Living Bible was a paraphrase from the 1901 ASV.
So if you are for the Hebrew or Greek, this is the worst Bible to praise as getting you saved from.
While God can use such means to give you the saving gospel message, you should be warning others to stay away from the Living Bible because of the many problems that it contains, my friend.

I think you missed the point that our God used that Bible to bring conviction and salvation to this miserable creature that is myself. Therefore you should take up the matter with your Creator... maybe convince Him that it was all wrong to see me saved after I was convicted while reading from the Living Bible. I can assure you at the time I didn't know much about what a Bible was, and surely wasn't aware of different translations, etc. Yes, take up your argument with God... He's the perp who used that Book to help me find Salvation.

As for your desire that if you can choose only one standard, it is the original languages:

So if you are for the original languages as your one standard, which Hebrew and Greek original languages? The Critical Text? That is constantly shape-shifting and it technically is an artificial text that did not exist until 1881 when Westcott and Hort made their own never-before-seen Greek text by trying to smash together Vaticanus, and Sinaiticus. The church never used Westcott and Hort's artificial Greek text. Besides, Codex Sinaiticus contains an additional passage in Matthew 27:49 that says that Jesus was pierced with a spear before his death on the cross. Of course, Modern English Bibles do not follow this ridiclous reading. So, clearly it is not the best manuscript as scholars are claiming it is. Most of your Modern English Bibles are based to some large degree on the corrupted Vaticanus and Sinaiticus manuscripts.

Here I think you missed my point entirely. The point is, King James onlyism is a very foolish position/pursuit. Personally, I want a translation in my own language, something like the ESV or NASB95.

 

[Dino246]

KJV is God's word in English made by the Holy Spirit!

Do you believe that God's word existed in English before the KJV was published?

Do you believe that the Holy Spirit essentially "dictated" the KJV to the translators?

 

[Dino246]

Come on buddy I am asking you for LIVING WATER. Stop trying to be cheeky and save your face... ANSWER.

You're a noob on this site. Don't act like you own it.

I say only the KJV is perfect.

You can say whatever you like, but I have demonstrated that the KJV isn't perfect. You are in denial.

Further, you exhibit exactly none of the fruit of the Holy Spirit in your posts. Because of that, I have to question your claim to being a Christian.

 

[Dino246]

Well, I see that "Jeremiah33v3" has been banned. I am not surprised in the least. May the Lord graciously rebuke and correct him.

 

[Blain]

Come on buddy I am asking you for LIVING WATER. Stop trying to be cheeky and save your face... ANSWER.
You have called yourself Christian for how long? And you don't know where the pure and perfect word of God is?
You quoted Galatians 5 earlier... Surely you would know Galatians 5:9


What is it called? Give me a link to the exact word of God in English... I wait.

I say only the KJV is perfect. how say you?
WHERE IS THE WORD OF GOD THAT CONTAINS NO LEAVEN?
WHAT IS IT'S NAME?
Give me a link so I can buy it right now.

Are you done? I already told you my answer and saving my face has nothing to do with it I couldn't care less what you think of me you can say whatever you want about me
your not listening and your not wanting to discuss anything so I am not playing your game anymore your clearly not going to listen and no answer I give you will satisfy you so have a nice day

 

[Blain]

Well, I see that "Jeremiah33v3" has been banned. I am not surprised in the least. May the Lord graciously rebuke and correct him.

I only just saw he was banned I tried to warn him

 

[NightTwister]

Well, if believing the Bible is circular reasoning, then count me in, my friend.

Non sequitur

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Well, if believing the Bible is circular reasoning, then count me in, my friend.


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There's no higher standard by which to measure it.
It is truly self verified.

 

[Dino246]

Well, if believing the Bible is circular reasoning, then count me in, my friend.

You don't understand what "circular reasoning" is, do you? Please, do your homework instead of remaining ignorant.

"Believing the Bible" is not what he's addressing.

 

[Dino246]

There's no higher standard by which to measure it.

The text of the Bible is verified by extant early manuscripts in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic.

The mistake made by most KJV-only proponents is they use the KJV as the "highest standard" when in fact it is merely a translation. The original-language text is the standard against which all translations (including the KJV) should be measured.

It is truly self verified.

Um, no; that is an example of circular reasoning.

The Bible is verified by archaeology, history, logic, anthropology, geology, astrophysics, and genetics. It is verified by its remarkable internal consistency across about 1400 years and 40 human authors. It is verified by the millions of testimonies of believers in Christ over two millennia.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

The text of the Bible is verified by extant early manuscripts in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic.

The mistake made by most KJV-only proponents is they use the KJV as the "highest standard" when in fact it is merely a translation. The original-language text is the standard against which all translations (including the KJV) should be measured.


Um, no; that is an example of circular reasoning.

The Bible is verified by archaeology, history, logic, anthropology, geology, astrophysics, and genetics. It is verified by its remarkable internal consistency across about 1400 years and 40 human authors. It is verified by the millions of testimonies of believers in Christ over two millennia.

Yet you still don't believe the KJ Traditional translation.
The Critical Texts are neither oldest or best.
When another scrap of something resembling a copy fragment shows up at the Dead Sea or somewhere, they will be scampering to change their translation once again.

 

[Dino246]

Yet you still don't believe the KJ Traditional translation.

In what sense are you using "believe" here?

The Critical Texts are neither oldest or best.
When another scrap of something resembling a copy fragment shows up at the Dead Sea or somewhere, they will be scampering to change their translation once again.

Did I say anything about the "Critical Texts"? No.

What is it with you KJV-onlyists? I haven't encountered a single one of you who can simply defend your position without denigrating others. That by itself is enough to tell me there's something wrong with your program.