Applying God's Word to Politics

[Texasgal]

Good question.
I would say Massachusetts has a great model which if applied nationwide it would be great if tweaked further to allow for more weapons as I know that’s your favorite toys, not just for you but for millions of others.

1. Free healthcare and education .
You need these because you’re investing in your citizens so you want them healthy and educated.
Most modern nations already have this.

2. Have very strong protected borders .
Very simple. The country is not a revolving door so you need to make sure that people in your “house” are nice and safe.
For example Canada already beats USA in terms of requirements for their legal immigrants.

3. Strong military.
This is linked to the point above.
You can’t protect your nation with an army of ghosts.

4. Relaxed gun laws because boys want their toys.
I want nothing to do with them, but you can have them.

I’d say you can build more ideas off these main pillars.

Well, since you directed me here, I can might as well weigh in.

#2-4 are valid points.

#1 is a nice dream but I’m not sure if it is a good idea.

Free healthcare means that the government will be in charge of how you conduct yourself health wise. It’s not working particularly well either.

I had a friend who was living in a European country half of her life. She told me that the free healthcare system was not working. People died waiting for treatment because “free” treatment and poorly funded healthcare institutions are not a good mix. They say it is free, and to some extent it is, but people with resources are using various private health care systems, so the so-called free healthcare system is for the poorest part of the population. Not exactly the place for the highest skilled medical professionals.

I’m sad to say that my friend was one of the people waiting in line, in vain.

Free education looks good too, but at least it should be limited to people from the country offering it. If not, the system will be flooded by foreigners.

 

[Squigglylines]

And the nurse practitioner movement in medicine in the US is a disaster. I've been looking for a new Doctor for the last six months but every time I go to my appointment's they tell me that they are actually nurse practitioners and they want me to see a specialist because it's beyond their years of schooling.

 

[Eli1]

Well, since you directed me here, I can might as well weigh in.

#2-4 are valid points.

#1 is a nice dream but I’m not sure if it is a good idea.

Free healthcare means that the government will be in charge of how you conduct yourself health wise. It’s not working particularly well either.

I had a friend who was living in a European country half of her life. She told me that the free healthcare system was not working. People died waiting for treatment because “free” treatment and poorly funded healthcare institutions are not a good mix. They say it is free, and to some extent it is, but people with resources are using various private health care systems, so the so-called free healthcare system is for the poorest part of the population. Not exactly the place for the highest skilled medical professionals.

I’m sad to say that my friend was one of the people waiting in line, in vain.

Free education looks good too, but at least it should be limited to people from the country offering it. If not, the system will be flooded by foreigners.

Good to see you here friend. We have good coffee here.

About "Free" HealthCare; have you seen how much waste Doge has uncovered so far? Billions! And these are yearly payments!
Now, with the amount of money that USA has, i find it very odd that it doesn't want to take care of its people in terms of health or education.
Because both are considered sort of fundamental ideals for any nation.
I get that this country is built on apple pie and shotguns, i get the cultural differences and i know that "free" healthcare is never going to be achieved nationwide but we should be talking fairly without bias.
What harm can come when you give your citizens free healthcare and education?
And please try not to repeat conservative talk points. Try to think freely.

 

[HeIsHere]

What harm can come when you give your citizens free healthcare and education?

It is not really free now is it?

 

[Eli1]

It is not really free now is it?

I don't understand this question.
You're asking if Healthcare and Education are not free in USA?

Of course they're not free, everyone knows this.
I'm making the argument to make them free - while acknowledging that it will never happen due to the culture.

Massachusetts has it free though.

 

[HeIsHere]

I don't understand this question.
You're asking if Healthcare and Education are not free in USA?

Of course they're not free, everyone knows this.
I'm making the argument to make them free - while acknowledging that it will never happen due to the culture.

Massachusetts has it free though.

They are not free, they are paid for by people's taxes.

 

[Eli1]

They are not free, they are paid for by people's taxes.

Ah okay. I am sorry.
From this point forward i am going to call it Universal Healthcare.
There, problem solved.

Now tell me, what other objections do you have?

 

[HeIsHere]

Ah okay. I am sorry.
From this point forward i am going to call it Universal Healthcare.
There, problem solved.

Now tell me, what other objections do you have?

None, as long as it is managed properly.

 

[Eli1]

None, as long as it is managed properly.

Agreed.
And my point with the waste that Doge has uncovered so far is that despite all the waste, USA is still wealthy, so why not spend some money on HealthCare?
And education?

 

[HeIsHere]

Agreed.
And my point with the waste that Doge has uncovered so far is that despite all the waste, USA is still wealthy, so why not spend some money on HealthCare?
And education?

The issue is not really about the wealth of the country, it is about certain powerful lobby groups who keep the system in place.

 

[Eli1]

The issue is not really about the wealth of the country, it is about certain powerful lobby groups who keep the system in place.

I agree with that too and this goes back to the culture and how the country was founded.
Fiercely independent, sink or swim mentality.

This is why @Texasgal doesn't even want checks from Trump. Sees it as "offensive" to the spirit of the country where they kick kids out of the house at 18.

It's a "shame" to ask for help or "free" things in USA.

 

[HeIsHere]

I agree with that too and this goes back to the culture and how the country was founded.
Fiercely independent, sink or swim mentality.

This is why @Texasgal doesn't even want checks from Trump. Sees it as "offensive" to the spirit of the country where they kick kids out of the house at 18.

It's a "shame" to ask for help or "free" things in USA.

My nephew in the USA spends more time on the phone trying to get insurance to pay for life saving treatments than the amount of time he spends with patients.

The delivery of certain types of medical care has become very complicated in Canada and in the USA, too many stakeholders, that is not even thinking about the vulture lawyers who circle around.

 

[HeIsHere]

I agree with that too and this goes back to the culture and how the country was founded.
Fiercely independent, sink or swim mentality.

This is why @Texasgal doesn't even want checks from Trump. Sees it as "offensive" to the spirit of the country where they kick kids out of the house at 18.

It's a "shame" to ask for help or "free" things in USA.

She may have been speaking "tongue in cheek."

 

[Eli1]

My nephew in the USA spends more time on the phone trying to get insurance to pay for life saving treatments than the amount of time he spends with patients.

The delivery of certain types of medical care has become very complicated in Canada and in the USA, too many stakeholders, that is not even thinking about the vulture lawyers who circle around.

100% correct, since i also deal with hospital settings where i see sick children too.
The Medical lobby is very powerful here.
But assuming the lobby doesn't exist, many Americans simply don't want Universal Healthcare based on principles of being "independent" and never asking for help.

 

[HeIsHere]

100% correct, since i also deal with hospital settings where i see sick children too.
The Medical lobby is very powerful here.
But assuming the lobby doesn't exist, many Americans simply don't want Universal Healthcare based on principles of being "independent" and never asking for help.

I think they view it as "socialistic" so yes in that sense I would agree with you.
In Canada we see it as egalitarian.

 

[GWH]

The issue is not really about the wealth of the country, it is about certain powerful lobby groups who keep the system in place.

Well, part of the problem is that the US is 36 trillion in debt rather than wealthy.
Most citizens are experiencing declining wealth.

Thus, the issue is twofold:

the nation being able to spend without becoming bankrupt,
and individuals having jobs paying enough to afford a family and for parents to support children.

 

[HeIsHere]

Well, part of the problem is that the US is 36 trillion in debt rather than wealthy.
Most citizens are experiencing declining wealth.

Thus, the issue is twofold:

the nation being able to spend without becoming bankrupt,
and individuals having jobs paying enough to afford a family and for parents to support children.

The debt crisis is very serious and I would never state otherwise.

Even with the USA's many resources as part of the GDP, there is no way the USA can in reality implement "universal healthcare" at this point in time in their history, it is simply not doable no matter how much mismanaged "monies" are being retrieved.

 

[Texasgal]

I agree with that too and this goes back to the culture and how the country was founded.
Fiercely independent, sink or swim mentality.

This is why @Texasgal doesn't even want checks from Trump. Sees it as "offensive" to the spirit of the country where they kick kids out of the house at 18.

It's a "shame" to ask for help or "free" things in USA.

I think you have been watching too much television or YouTube videos lately. It’s true that I’m not a fan of freeloading stuff, but it’s not true that kids are being kicked out of the house at 18. Also, family is most important in my culture.

 

[Magenta]

100% correct, since i also deal with hospital settings where i see sick children too.
The Medical lobby is very powerful here.
But assuming the lobby doesn't exist, many Americans simply don't want Universal Healthcare based on principles of being "independent" and never asking for help.

Some call Canada a communist country simply because we have universal health care among our social programs.

Of course those people are wrong and wilfully ignorant. Some even gleefully so. LOL. Why they revel in such is beyond me.

 

[Eli1]

I think you have been watching too much television or YouTube videos lately. It’s true that I’m not a fan of freeloading stuff, but it’s not true that kids are being kicked out of the house at 18. Also, family is most important in my culture.

Glad to hear that your culture (Cajun) values family.

But you have to admit that the culture in US is that most people want to kick their kids out of their house at 18.

If you don’t want to acknowledge this then maybe you are too isolated because this fact doesn’t just come from TV or the internet but personal experience too.

I have traveled from Maine all the way to Fort Lauderdale Florida and the mindset when it comes to kids during discussions is : “I can’t wait so they can get out of the house and leave for college”.

In my town which has about 20 k people I know about 100 of them during town hall meetings and stuff and out of these 100 people only 6 of them, myself included have a house where 3 generations live in.

Grandparents, parents and children.

So this family structure is rare in US is what I’m saying.