My KJV Debate with Jeffrey Dollar
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We are born again of the true seed (christ) as promised to abraham, (in your seed shall all the nations of the world be blessed) through the seed of david. this seed which hung on a cross for our sins.
We KNOW of this seed through the word of God. but the word does not have to be the seed. who the word is about is the seed.
And I can learn the word of God and the gospel through any translation. I do not need an out of date 1600 english bible that most people can not even understand. .
We are born again of the true seed (christ) as promised to abraham, (in your seed shall all the nations of the world be blessed) through the seed of david. this seed which hung on a cross for our sins.
We KNOW of this seed through the word of God. but the word does not have to be the seed. who the word is about is the seed.
And I can learn the word of God and the gospel through any translation. I do not need an out of date 1600 english bible that most people can not even understand. .
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Yes, it is, and James and Paul similarly wrote of the same.
Jas 1:18
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
1Co 4:15
For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
I think that I will stick with the interpretations of Jesus, Peter, James, and Paul. You would be wise to do the same.
The bold-faced part was Peter's point.
The KJV can easily be understood if one is humbly being led by the Holy Spirit and not their own proud human intellect.
Jas 1:18
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
1Co 4:15
For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
I think that I will stick with the interpretations of Jesus, Peter, James, and Paul. You would be wise to do the same.
The bold-faced part was Peter's point.
The KJV can easily be understood if one is humbly being led by the Holy Spirit and not their own proud human intellect.
I think that the problem arises, not with words that we don't use any more (we can easily look their meanings up), but in words that are still in use today, but with different meanings to what they had when the KJV was translated. An example is the word "prevent." Now, that word means to stop something happening. But it doesn't mean that in the KJV. For example:
Ps 88:13 But unto thee have I cried, O LORD; and in the morning shall my prayer prevent thee.
The Psalmist doesn't mean that his prayer will stop God doing something. "Prevent" used to mean "go before" or "come before."
I see this as a bigger problem than obsolete words, because as "prevent" is in everyday use still, a reader of the KJV won't know that it had a different meaning back then.
Ps 88:13 But unto thee have I cried, O LORD; and in the morning shall my prayer prevent thee.
The Psalmist doesn't mean that his prayer will stop God doing something. "Prevent" used to mean "go before" or "come before."
I see this as a bigger problem than obsolete words, because as "prevent" is in everyday use still, a reader of the KJV won't know that it had a different meaning back then.
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Bible_Highlighter said:
But I believe they can lose their salvation by believing false doctrines from those Modern Translations.
That is just absolute Nonsense ---your believing comes from the Enemy not God ====putting fear and sending confusion in people who may know better -----Fear and confusion comes from Satan not God --
You need to do some serious Praying that is------- IF YOU have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit--- as what you are peddling here sounds to me like you don't ----your knowledge about Scripture seems very limited ---
Your more interested in being PUFFED UP by your Knowledge of what Greek is being used to translate God's word and your debates over the languages used ---- than you are spreading the gospel which is fine in all translations ------
But I believe they can lose their salvation by believing false doctrines from those Modern Translations.
That is just absolute Nonsense ---your believing comes from the Enemy not God ====putting fear and sending confusion in people who may know better -----Fear and confusion comes from Satan not God --
You need to do some serious Praying that is------- IF YOU have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit--- as what you are peddling here sounds to me like you don't ----your knowledge about Scripture seems very limited ---
Your more interested in being PUFFED UP by your Knowledge of what Greek is being used to translate God's word and your debates over the languages used ---- than you are spreading the gospel which is fine in all translations ------
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many words like this
Baptize is not even an English word. so in no English bible is it even remotely interpreted correctly
Tongues. The word language did nto exist. yet when we upgraded. we kept the same word. which today is used to take it out of its context and meaning to support a cult
"Verily Verily" Has anyone hear some use this language anywhere (outside of the KJ Bible) in the last 100 years?
Baptize is not even an English word. so in no English bible is it even remotely interpreted correctly
Tongues. The word language did nto exist. yet when we upgraded. we kept the same word. which today is used to take it out of its context and meaning to support a cult
"Verily Verily" Has anyone hear some use this language anywhere (outside of the KJ Bible) in the last 100 years?
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I disagree about "baptize". It is an English word, though based on a Greek one. Many English words have their origin in another language (anorak, shampoo, brioche, to give just three examples), but they are still English words.
I agree that "tongue" was used for "language." And "verily" of course means "truly".
But those weren't the type of words I was thinking of in my previous post. I was thinking of words still in use in English, but with different meanings, words like "prevent," "suffer," (as in "Suffer the little children to come unto Me,") and "carriages" (as in: Ac 21:15 And after those days we took up our carriages, and went up to Jerusalem.).
I agree that "tongue" was used for "language." And "verily" of course means "truly".
But those weren't the type of words I was thinking of in my previous post. I was thinking of words still in use in English, but with different meanings, words like "prevent," "suffer," (as in "Suffer the little children to come unto Me,") and "carriages" (as in: Ac 21:15 And after those days we took up our carriages, and went up to Jerusalem.).
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No they don't. They deny that sinful man has the ability in himself to exercise faith - they need God to work on their hearts. They look at verses such as Ephesians 2:4-5 as supporting this:
“But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),” (Eph 2:4-5 NKJV)
“But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),” (Eph 2:4-5 NKJV)
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