Continuationism vs cessastionism?

[zone]

Then prove it through the Scriptures... oh wait you can't. The bible doesn't say anything about an Apostolic Era at all.

Sola Scriptura is a joke.

Most who believe in it dismiss a large portion of Scriptures due to doctrine that's not even Scriptural.

really what more needs to be said? sola scriptura is a joke? ouch for you.

exactly what large portion of scripture do we dismiss?
the Historical Narrative in Acts which describes the miraculous founding of the church?

the corrective letter to Corinth where the foundation gifts were operational as NEW REVELATION was being poured out for the founding of the church?

the description of the founding of the church in the Church Epistle Ephesians?

ROTFLMHO!!

as for proving it through scripture, that's been done over and over.
but men who love to make themselves something they are not (apostles, prophets, able to speak gentile languages supernaturally) never read the proof...cuz if they did they'd have to repent.

charismatics and modern miracle workers are continually asked for proof their claims match the apostolic authority and power....but of course there is none.

no Apostolic Era? LOLOLOL!

what's the name of the Books of the Acts of The Apostles?
is the Pope Catholic?
who is buried in Grant's Tomb?

have a lovely day

 

[Consumed]

Gods a liar then, let's pack up our bat and ball and all go home. If someone is healed in Jesus name today it's demonic.
Not talking about emergent churches but everyday believers who has a heart for God, you've been deceived and given a delusion from God. What a load of crock. God is sovereign

When Jesus ascended it was all over after 120AD. That's what it sounds like.

This whole argument doesn't make sense to me, am I the only one??

 

[unclefester]

really what more needs to be said? sola scriptura is a joke? ouch for you.

exactly what large portion of scripture do we dismiss?
the Historical Narrative in Acts which describes the miraculous founding of the church?

the corrective letter to Corinth where the foundation gifts were operational as NEW REVELATION was being poured out for the founding of the church?

the description of the founding of the church in the Church Epistle Ephesians?

ROTFLMHO!!

as for proving it through scripture, that's been done over and over.
but men who love to make themselves something they are not (apostles, prophets, able to speak gentile languages supernaturally) never read the proof...cuz if they did they'd have to repent.

charismatics and modern miracle workers are continually asked for proof their claims match the apostolic authority and power....but of course there is none.

no Apostolic Era? LOLOLOL!

what's the name of the Books of the Acts of The Apostles?
is the Pope Catholic?
who is buried in Grant's Tomb?

have a lovely day

Something else, isn't it ? We have a divinely inspired book that speaks directly and definitively of the acts of these very apostles (of whom Crossfire claims there's no biblical "proof" of their time period or era) and yet we are to be convinced of continuationism thru an "evidence" that not only not does not exist in scripture ...... but cannot now nor ever will be verified by any of the supposed apostles of today. It truly is nothing short of amazing to read some of this utter nonsense.

 

[Crossfire]

Something else, isn't it ? We have a divinely inspired book that speaks directly and definitively of the acts of these very apostles (of whom Crossfire claims there's no biblical "proof" of their time period or era) and yet we are to be convinced of continuationism thru an "evidence" that not only not does not exist in scripture ...... but cannot now nor ever will be verified by any of the supposed apostles of today. It truly is nothing short of amazing to read some of this utter nonsense.

Scripture only suggests that from Pentecost until the Second coming of Christ, there is only one age, the Church Age. As long as the Great Commission is still in effect, it is the Church Age.

Never once does the bible remotely speak of an 'Apostolic Age' much less the end of one.

As the owner of this website would say "PREACH THE WORD..."

To which I would like to add "... OR DON'T PREACH AT ALL!"

Cessationism both adds to and takes away from the Scriptures. It's too bad you all are too prideful in your religious views to see it.

 

[unclefester]

Gods a liar then, let's pack up our bat and ball and all go home. If someone is healed in Jesus name today it's demonic.
Not talking about emergent churches but everyday believers who has a heart for God, you've been deceived and given a delusion from God. What a load of crock. God is sovereign

When Jesus ascended it was all over after 120AD. That's what it sounds like.

This whole argument doesn't make sense to me, am I the only one??

Nobody has ever said that God doesn't sometimes heal Consumed. But this is no way necessitates a re-awakening or a re-birth of any office gifts that were given for the foundational establishment of Christ's church thru the apostles and prophets of old.

 

[unclefester]

Cessationism both adds to and takes away from the Scriptures. It's too bad you all are too prideful in your religious views to see it.

It is not pride that gives me contentment in being a mere child of God with no official title ........ but rather a deep sense of humble gratitude.

 

[Crossfire]

I personally don't have an issue with Sola Scriptura if it is applied properly. I believe that Scripture is the unchangeable standard. Nothing is to be added nor should anything be taken away.

However, the vast majority of those who profess Sola Scriptura has adopted doctrines which both add to and take away from the Scriptures. You all have added an Apostolic Era which the bible never once alludes to either prophetically or historically. Seeing as you claim that this Apostolic Era is over, you claim that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are no longer relevant which is basically taking away from the scriptures.

Cessationists are violators of Sola Scriptura, not Continuationists.

 

[Crossfire]

What's sad is that not one of you have yet to provide scriptural evidence to the contrary of my following post. Instead you keep barking about an Apostolic Era which is long gone yet you can not provide a single shred of Scriptural evidence to prove it.

We should agree that Scripture is the final authority right? So let's allow scripture to settle this 'debate' right now.

Mark 16:17-18: "And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

1 Cor. 12:7-11, "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another different kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues. But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."

1 Corinthians 12:29–30 "All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?"


1 Cor 14:39 "Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues."

Pretty cut and dry. Jesus testifies that the gifts are for all believers. Paul then states that some may receive a certain gift while someone else might receive another. Paul goes on to say that not all will receive a gift although it would be to your benefit if you did. Lastly, Paul then says that you should not forbid the gifts.

If those who haven't received a gift such as these want to alienate themselves by worshiping only with one another, that's fine. However, you shouldn't criticize those who seek after or operate in the gifts.

SO SAYS THE SCRIPTURES! LEAVE YOUR RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS OUT OF IT.

DEBATE OVER!

If you truly believe in Sola Scriptura as you say you do then this debate is over.

 

[zone]

Gods a liar then, let's pack up our bat and ball and all go home. If someone is healed in Jesus name today it's demonic.
Not talking about emergent churches but everyday believers who has a heart for God, you've been deceived and given a delusion from God. What a load of crock. God is sovereign

When Jesus ascended it was all over after 120AD. That's what it sounds like.

This whole argument doesn't make sense to me, am I the only one??

alex i'm actually kinda surprised at this coming from you
you start off making an outrageous remark then you make the qualification that cessationists make, about charlatans.

WHAT CESSATIONIST, or me specifically have i EVER said God doesn't heal??????????

if the argument doesn't make sense its because you havent studied it.
and you've said on a few occassions you're not into studying it.

so i think this post is A CHEAP SHOT.

 

[Consumed]

alex i'm actually kinda surprised at this coming from you
you start off making an outrageous remark then you make the qualification that cessationists make, about charlatans.

WHAT CESSATIONIST, or me specifically hve i EVER said God doesn't heal??????????

if the argument doesn't make sense its because you havent studied it.
and you've said on a few occassions you're not into studying it.

so i think this post is A CHEAP SHOT.

O Kathy, no cheap shot, just think it is fruitless, half the time it just comes across game over, it ceased period.
Faith is "another doctrine", still can't understand that one.
What's there to study and why, isms and ists and ology just starts the head spin.

Where's the good news, the heart of the gospel in it that's all.
Pharasies spent centuries searching the scriptures studying it and when Jesus come they missed the heart of the message because it didn't fit in with their theology.

I'm tired Kathy, so tired that the "doctrine" of Jesus Christ is second to Paul. Do you notice how much time is spent in the epistles as opposed to the Gospels??

No disrespect to you or any other just gets tiring for me. I study Gods word that relates to law/ grace, and more so love being the foundation that keeps it all together.

Sorry if iv offended, not my intention, just gets a bit frustrating after two months of round round the mountain.
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[Strangelove]

The immediate context doesn't seem to indicate that someone else is supposed to interpret it.


13 For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15 So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding.

Ok then they better pray that they can interpret it. They better ask God to give them the skill to interpret after they are done reading the bible in Hebrew or whatever.

Miraculous tongues like seen in Acts...nah...I dont think thats being talked about here.

 

[Strangelove]

So it brings me back to my initial point. This can't be about simple natural learning of languages, because someone who has learned a language doesn't need God to reveal to them what they just said.

No but they can ask God for the skill to interpret.

Trust me, interpretation is a gift. My wife is foreign.

 

[Strangelove]

Then prove it through the Scriptures... oh wait you can't. The bible doesn't say anything about an Apostolic Era at all.

Sola Scriptura is a joke. Most who believe in it dismiss a large portion of Scriptures due to doctrine that's not even Scriptural.

It's a joke to you because your denomination is the only one receiving extra biblical knowledge from God?

Maybe you should be writing it down?

 

[Strangelove]

Gods a liar then, let's pack up our bat and ball and all go home. If someone is healed in Jesus name today it's demonic.
Not talking about emergent churches but everyday believers who has a heart for God, you've been deceived and given a delusion from God. What a load of crock. God is sovereign

When Jesus ascended it was all over after 120AD. That's what it sounds like.

This whole argument doesn't make sense to me, am I the only one??

God heals.

Men arn't channeling that particular supernatural power of God anymore. But God no doubt still heals.

If you think there are guys out there with supernatural healing abilities, please send them to the childrens cancer ward of your local hospital immediately.

 

[needmesomejesus]

LINK:

Charismatics ARE Cessationists

Interesting and truthful post

 

[Strangelove]

I personally don't have an issue with Sola Scriptura if it is applied properly. I believe that Scripture is the unchangeable standard. Nothing is to be added nor should anything be taken away.

However, the vast majority of those who profess Sola Scriptura has adopted doctrines which both add to and take away from the Scriptures. You all have added an Apostolic Era which the bible never once alludes to either prophetically or historically. Seeing as you claim that this Apostolic Era is over, you claim that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are no longer relevant which is basically taking away from the scriptures.

Cessationists are violators of Sola Scriptura, not Continuationists.

Continuationists are guilty of practicing counterfeit gifts.

This is what we are really saying.

 

[Crossfire]

Continuationists are guilty of practicing counterfeit gifts.

This is what we are really saying.

Counterfeit gifts? The gifts we believe in are taken straight from the Scriptures themselves.

 

[Crossfire]

It's a joke to you because your denomination is the only one receiving extra biblical knowledge from God?

Maybe you should be writing it down?

No one claims to be receiving extra - biblical anything, never have. If anything is extra biblical, it's your belief in a past Apostolic era which no one can provide one iota of scriptural proof to support.

The problem here is that you all have the wrong idea of what prophecy is. Prophecy should always enforce scripture not contradict it. Prophecy is and always has been a tool used by God to hold leadership accountable to God's word.

 

[zone]

I personally don't have an issue with Sola Scriptura if it is applied properly. I believe that Scripture is the unchangeable standard. Nothing is to be added nor should anything be taken away.

However, the vast majority of those who profess Sola Scriptura has adopted doctrines which both add to and take away from the Scriptures. You all have added an Apostolic Era which the bible never once alludes to either prophetically or historically. Seeing as you claim that this Apostolic Era is over, you claim that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are no longer relevant which is basically taking away from the scriptures.

Cessationists are violators of Sola Scriptura, not Continuationists.

could you please give me the names of 5 Apostles since John died?
thank you

 

[zone]

What's sad is that not one of you have yet to provide scriptural evidence to the contrary of my following post. Instead you keep barking about an Apostolic Era which is long gone yet you can not provide a single shred of Scriptural evidence to prove it.



If you truly believe in Sola Scriptura as you say you do then this debate is over.

could you please give me the name of 3 Apostles since John died?
i would need to see their letters, and have proof they had attending supernatural signs and powers to buttress their authority.

thank you.