Good question. I can see why you might think this. Which Scripture do you use to support your view that the "era of the trumpets lasts at least 3.5 years."? We know that Jesus does not appear in the clouds for this entire period because Rev 7:9, "After these things (after the rapture, the sixth seal is opened, and the sealing of the 144,000 is complete) the scene changes where John sees a multitude of Gentile in heaven at the throne room with Jesus, whom John was told by the angel that these are those who came out of the great tribulation.
ARE YOU PRE-TRIB, MID-TRIB, PRE-WRATH, OR POST-TRIB?
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Good question. I can see why you might think this. Which Scripture do you use to support your view that the "era of the trumpets lasts at least 3.5 years."? We know that Jesus does not appear in the clouds for this entire period because Rev 7:9, "After these things (after the rapture, the sixth seal is opened, and the sealing of the 144,000 is complete) the scene changes where John sees a multitude of Gentile in heaven at the throne room with Jesus, whom John was told by the angel that these are those who came out of the great tribulation.
So Jesus shows up, resurrection occurs and then returns to heaven and comes back again a bit later? I dunno man. Hard sell. I think its just one second coming which includes the resurrection
Hi Blain, thank you for your question. But my answer is from studying ALL the scriptures on this topic for over 20 years by some pretty amazing teachers, including one of the top Bible Scholars here in San Diego. You can pick and chose Scriptures to support your view; but you really need to search out ALL the Scriptures on this topic to determine the truth, which clearly points to a pre-wrath rapture. I believe that many Believers are pre-trib because they are taught primarily by Pastors who were taught this in seminary. That the opening of the 1st seal in Rev 6:1-2 which begins the 7-year tribulation period, is the beginning of God's wrath, but it is not. And because Jesus promises His children that we are saved from His wrath to come, they are taught that we are taken out before this begins. However, Jesus explains to His disciples in Matthew 24:37 what it will be like prior to His coming to rescue (rapture) us. I will put together an order of events supported by all the Scripture on this topic when I have the time to write this up for you. Please feel free to challenge me on any of these points. Bless you for your desire to keep searching for the Truth!
eoe 20 years of studying the topic that is impressive I have no need to challenge you as I believe you could very well be right I mean I believe what I believe from studying sure but I have also had countless rapture dreams one not so long ago either and he has put on my heart that the king is coming as well as a friend of mone heard him audibly say he is coming and well the evidence keeps stacking up so I can be stubborn and keep my view or take the hint
I was thinking a prewrath or mid trib was most likely the case but letely have been questioning my understanding of it. which is not something everyone does some will defend their understanding with their lives but we can never learn or grow with that type of thinking I want the truth not my truth just the truth
Understand. It is good that you keep seeking, indicates that the Holy Spirit is working on you. It will take me some time to prepare a response to include all the Scriptures that support the pre-wrath view. I started on it and hope to get it to you in a few days.
pre-trib view?:
Yes, precious friends, With God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided:
God's Great GRACE Departure!
Amen.
Yes, precious friends, With God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided:
God's Great GRACE Departure!
Amen.
The Second Coming of Christ (His appearance) coincides with the 7th trumpet. The events of the 3.5 years occur before that point in time.
Jesus should be "in the air" at least during the 'Wrath of God' [event] (a fairly short period of time) before descending to earth.
Hi IXOYE81. I would disagree with your strictly sequential interpretation of Rev. 6:12-7:17. I am post-trib, by the way.
At the 5th seal, God told the martyrs to wait a little longer for vengeance until the last martyr was killed (Rev. 6:11). I think you would agree that the last of their fellow servants to be killed should be the two witnesses at the end of the 42 months or other people that are killed even after that time. So vengeance will not come until after the 42 months. What is shown in Rev. 6:12-17 is a preview of that day of vengeance, but it will not come yet. What is delaying it? The sealing of the 144,000. God waits for 144,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel to believe in Jesus and to be sealed with the Holy Spirit (which I think has taken centuries). Rev. 7:3 says do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees. This call for not harming the earth must precede the stars falling to earth and the movement of mountains and islands in Rev. 6:13-14. I've always understood the rapture as Rev. 7:9 even when I was pre-trib. Now I still think it is a preview of the rapture in Rev. 19:1, where the great multitude praises God for His salvation. I think inclusion of Rev. 7:9-17 is to show that both Jews and Gentiles will be saved (they do shout "salvation" in Rev. 7:10). While God is waiting for the Israelites to be saved, multitudes from every nation are also being saved.
Pre-trib all the way. The deeper you comprehension of Greek grammar and terms, the more obvious it becomes.
BUT.....there is sooooo much more indisputable evidence contained in the Old testament "types" and "shadows" and narratives that are obviously and intentionally illustrating the future reality of the "harpazo" the snatching of the Bride BEFORE the wrath ever begins.
Ruth, Rahab, Daniel, Elijah..... several others.
Consider also the Jewish wedding pattern so elaborated upon by the Lord. And then the Passover pattern.
And then the 7 feasts of Moses pattern.
And so much more!
When you discovered scriptures that couldn't happen inside the 7 years Tribulation then you know the Pre-tribulation rapture is correct
When you discover that all of the following are true, you will be a whole lot closer to understanding biblical eschatology:
~ Daniel 9 makes no reference whatsoever to anything in history beyond the events of circa 70 A.D.
~ There is no gap in the 70 weeks of Daniel. All 70 weeks "came and went" in a single unbroken span of 490 years.
~ There will be no 7-year treaty between any antichrist and Israel (as being in accordance with bible prophecy).
~ There is no 7-year 'prophetic' End Times period.
This discussion should help you to get on the path to a better understanding: Seventy Weeks
~ Daniel 9 makes no reference whatsoever to anything in history beyond the events of circa 70 A.D.
~ There is no gap in the 70 weeks of Daniel. All 70 weeks "came and went" in a single unbroken span of 490 years.
~ There will be no 7-year treaty between any antichrist and Israel (as being in accordance with bible prophecy).
~ There is no 7-year 'prophetic' End Times period.
This discussion should help you to get on the path to a better understanding: Seventy Weeks
All of this an unproven figment of your imagination not scripturally supported.
The 12 Steps of the Hebrew Wedding Pattern
The Selection of the Bride: Often chosen by the father of the groom (Ephesians 1:4).
The Bridewealth (Mohar): The price paid for the bride. For the Church, this was the blood of Christ (1 Corinthians 6:20).
The Betrothal (Kiddushin): The formal legally binding contract. The bride and groom are technically married but do not yet live together.
The Ketubah: The written marriage contract stating the groom's promises and the bride's rights.
The Bride’s Consent: The bride must agree to the proposal (we choose to accept Christ).
The Cup of the Covenant: They drink a cup of wine together to seal the betrothal (The Last Supper/Communion).
The Gifts (Mattan): The groom gives gifts to his bride to show his love and ability to provide (The Holy Spirit/Spiritual Gifts).
The Departure of the Groom: The groom leaves to his father’s house to prepare a "mansion" or room (chuppah) for his bride (John 14:2).
The Period of Preparation (The Consecration): The bride is set apart, wears a veil, and keeps her lamp lit, not knowing when the groom will return.
The Fetching of the Bride: The groom’s father gives the word, and the groom comes—usually at night with a shout and a trumpet—to "snatch away" his bride. (This is the Rapture type).
The Marriage Canopy (Chuppah): The bride and groom enter the bridal chamber for seven days (often equated to the seven-year Tribulation on earth while the Church is in heaven).
The Marriage Supper: The public celebration and feast after the seven days are complete (Revelation 19:7-9).
On the weekend the Lord was crucified there was a resurrection of the righteous dead but no rapture of the righteous living. But before the seven year Tribulation there will be a rapture ( catching up ) of the righteous living as in the days of Noah and Lot, but no resurrection of the dead at this time.
In the Tribulation a reaping of the earth will take place inside the Tribulation of saints both dead and living on the 1335th day ( Daniel 12:12 ) of the Tribulation ( Rev 14:14 ). This happens at the last moment of the 7th Trumpet.
Back to the Days of Noah and Lot which only deals with the righteous living.
They ate, they drank, they married, they were given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
Likewise as it was in the days of Lot—they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom fire and sulphur rained from heaven and destroyed them all— so will it be on the day when the Son of man is revealed.
I would like to caution christians please dont burden those seeking with your doctrines of men for all who call on the name of the lord will be saved. ( Acts 2:21 )
World says there are about 2.4 billion christians in this generation, but the Lord says 50 % will be taken, about 4 billion.
I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35There will be two grinding together; one will be taken and the other left.” 37 And they said to him, “Where, Lord?” He said to them, “Where the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”
In the Tribulation a reaping of the earth will take place inside the Tribulation of saints both dead and living on the 1335th day ( Daniel 12:12 ) of the Tribulation ( Rev 14:14 ). This happens at the last moment of the 7th Trumpet.
Back to the Days of Noah and Lot which only deals with the righteous living.
They ate, they drank, they married, they were given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
Likewise as it was in the days of Lot—they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom fire and sulphur rained from heaven and destroyed them all— so will it be on the day when the Son of man is revealed.
I would like to caution christians please dont burden those seeking with your doctrines of men for all who call on the name of the lord will be saved. ( Acts 2:21 )
World says there are about 2.4 billion christians in this generation, but the Lord says 50 % will be taken, about 4 billion.
I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35There will be two grinding together; one will be taken and the other left.” 37 And they said to him, “Where, Lord?” He said to them, “Where the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”
God is love and loves all people but one day He has to end sin on earth.
So He is giving the world 7 years to have their way and cause all people that do not love the truth to follow the antichrist.
And when they take the mark of the beast salvation is no longer available to the world and God can end sin on earth.
The 7 years will start when the antichrist negotiates peace in the Middle East which will impact the world because of the condition of the world.
When the antichrist starts working in the world he will push his agenda which he will think to change times and laws.
Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
It will pave the way for all Hebrews to go to Israel and they will not be left in the nations anymore.
Which they will rebuild their 3rd temple.
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
During the last 3.5 years God will turn Israel to the truth.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
The saints will not be gathered unto Christ until there is a falling away first.
Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
The new age that interprets the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of the Cosmos, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.
The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to the new age.
Which the world will have a unified religious system with all religions interpreted that exalts people and stops the preaching of the Gospel and the belief in a personal God.
Salvation is available to the world for the first 3.5 years so the wrath of God is not there.
The resurrection has not happened yet because the man of sin has not claimed to be God yet.
At the end of that time the falling away first happened which the transgressors have come to the full.
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Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
The Roman Empire.
10 horns come from them which is the world divided in to 10 sections that will cover the earth.
Which will be Caucasian nations and any nation taken over be Caucasians which is the new age agenda.
The Roman Empire does not lose their physical dominion until Jesus puts down the world.
Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece, will never have physical dominion again but their ways are still on earth.
So the beast kingdom is Babylon in spirit which she represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
War will break out in heaven and the devils will be cast to earth where it becomes their holding cell.
Satan will appear as the antichrist and claim to be God.
The devils will deceive all people who love not the truth to follow the antichrist which is the strong delusion God will give all people who do not love the truth.
United Nations Agenda 21 for the 21st century which is a sustainability act.
They want to move all people in to the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits, and the people are the police force.
They want to give the people a microchip under the skin linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans.
They can watch the people, and know their location, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene.
This will cut out judges, lawyers, and the now known police force.
All information about the person will be on the chip including finances for it is the one world economic system.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.
stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.
The mark of the beast is something stuck under something and since it is given to a person it is stuck under their skin.
The New Age Christ's agenda is there is no personal God to help mankind but their technology can help them to deter crime, and have peace.
When the world takes the mark of the beast the fulness of the Gentiles will have come in.
God will send 2 witnesses to Israel to turn them to the truth.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
The beast makes war with the saints.
And they are given in to his hands for 3.5 years.
And when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people all things will be finished.
Which then comes the end when the Son shall deliver up the kingdom to God and then the wrath of God will be poured upon the world as Jesus puts down all power, rule, and authority.
The beast has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, because God is allowing him to rule so the wrath of God is not there.
Since God is giving the world their way for 7 years to go against the truth the saints will remain on earth to represent the truth.
Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
The seals and trumpets is not the wrath of God.
After the 6th trumpet the world does not repent and turn to God but they keep going on with their agenda to work for peace by the efforts of people.
So God gives them the antichrist to rule over them.
An example is after WW1 they set up League of Nations, did not turn to God.
After WW2 they set up United Nations, did not turn to God.
And that pattern will continue disasters that the world knows about but they do not turn to God.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
The Roman Empire.
10 horns come from them which is the world divided in to 10 sections that will cover the earth.
Which will be Caucasian nations and any nation taken over be Caucasians which is the new age agenda.
The Roman Empire does not lose their physical dominion until Jesus puts down the world.
Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece, will never have physical dominion again but their ways are still on earth.
So the beast kingdom is Babylon in spirit which she represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
War will break out in heaven and the devils will be cast to earth where it becomes their holding cell.
Satan will appear as the antichrist and claim to be God.
The devils will deceive all people who love not the truth to follow the antichrist which is the strong delusion God will give all people who do not love the truth.
United Nations Agenda 21 for the 21st century which is a sustainability act.
They want to move all people in to the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits, and the people are the police force.
They want to give the people a microchip under the skin linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans.
They can watch the people, and know their location, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene.
This will cut out judges, lawyers, and the now known police force.
All information about the person will be on the chip including finances for it is the one world economic system.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.
stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.
The mark of the beast is something stuck under something and since it is given to a person it is stuck under their skin.
The New Age Christ's agenda is there is no personal God to help mankind but their technology can help them to deter crime, and have peace.
When the world takes the mark of the beast the fulness of the Gentiles will have come in.
God will send 2 witnesses to Israel to turn them to the truth.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
The beast makes war with the saints.
And they are given in to his hands for 3.5 years.
And when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people all things will be finished.
Which then comes the end when the Son shall deliver up the kingdom to God and then the wrath of God will be poured upon the world as Jesus puts down all power, rule, and authority.
The beast has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, because God is allowing him to rule so the wrath of God is not there.
Since God is giving the world their way for 7 years to go against the truth the saints will remain on earth to represent the truth.
Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
The seals and trumpets is not the wrath of God.
After the 6th trumpet the world does not repent and turn to God but they keep going on with their agenda to work for peace by the efforts of people.
So God gives them the antichrist to rule over them.
An example is after WW1 they set up League of Nations, did not turn to God.
After WW2 they set up United Nations, did not turn to God.
And that pattern will continue disasters that the world knows about but they do not turn to God.
All of this proves itself from/in scripture if only one interprets it properly.
What is not proven is 'rapture' before 'Great Tribulation' - 'rapture' before 'Wrath of God', yes - 'rapture' before 'Great Tribulation', no.
Some of you like to compare the Jewish wedding pattern, the story of the flood, the story about Lot, etc. to the End Times Scenario. However, those things do not correlate to the End Times Scenario like you would like to believe.
There is no "tribulation period" in the Jewish wedding pattern.
There is no "tribulation period" in the story of the flood.
There is no "tribulation period" in the story about Lot.
In the story of the flood and in the story about Lot - there is only 'wrath of God'.
And, of course, there is not even any type of 'wrath of God' in the Jewish wedding pattern.
So - "the best you can hope for" in these things - is to show 'removal' before 'Wrath of God'.
Nowhere in the Bible does anything indicate any type of 'removal' before 'Great Tribulation'.
However, there are places in the Bible that indicate that we will in fact endure 'tribulation'.
This is the 'great tribulation' that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24.
Whether you realize it or not - you "invent" these associations that do not exist in scripture because you have been taught to wrap all scripture around the idea of 'pre-trib' rapture - because you so much want to believe it.
@cv5 - I like and actually agree with a good part of some of the "lessons" you have posted about different things you are trying to associate with the End Times Scenario; however, I cannot agree that those things actually "prove" the association you are trying to form - it is simply not there. All you are actually able to indicate/show is that 'rapture' is before 'Wrath of God' - there is simply no 'rapture' before 'Great Tribulation' anywhere in the Bible.
And, for anyone who wants to label the 'Seals' and 'Trumpets' as being [part of the] 'Great Tribulation' - you are incorrectly interpreting scripture - the 'Vials' no-more-and-no-less are the 'Wrath of God' - it is very plain to see in scripture - and backed up by order-of-event indications in scripture also.
The resurrection and rapture will occur at the Second Coming of Christ - when He "will be here to stay" for 1000 years - and not before.
He is not going to show up - then leave - then come back again - there is no 'third' coming of Christ - when He comes He is here to stay and set up His kingdom on earth. All of the things you read about in scripture concerning His coming back will occur in their proper order when He comes. And, He is only "coming back" once - and He is here to stay.
Believe it! Because, it is what the Bible really actually says...
There is no "tribulation period" in the Jewish wedding pattern.
There is no "tribulation period" in the story of the flood.
There is no "tribulation period" in the story about Lot.
In the story of the flood and in the story about Lot - there is only 'wrath of God'.
And, of course, there is not even any type of 'wrath of God' in the Jewish wedding pattern.
So - "the best you can hope for" in these things - is to show 'removal' before 'Wrath of God'.
Nowhere in the Bible does anything indicate any type of 'removal' before 'Great Tribulation'.
However, there are places in the Bible that indicate that we will in fact endure 'tribulation'.
This is the 'great tribulation' that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24.
Whether you realize it or not - you "invent" these associations that do not exist in scripture because you have been taught to wrap all scripture around the idea of 'pre-trib' rapture - because you so much want to believe it.
@cv5 - I like and actually agree with a good part of some of the "lessons" you have posted about different things you are trying to associate with the End Times Scenario; however, I cannot agree that those things actually "prove" the association you are trying to form - it is simply not there. All you are actually able to indicate/show is that 'rapture' is before 'Wrath of God' - there is simply no 'rapture' before 'Great Tribulation' anywhere in the Bible.
And, for anyone who wants to label the 'Seals' and 'Trumpets' as being [part of the] 'Great Tribulation' - you are incorrectly interpreting scripture - the 'Vials' no-more-and-no-less are the 'Wrath of God' - it is very plain to see in scripture - and backed up by order-of-event indications in scripture also.
The resurrection and rapture will occur at the Second Coming of Christ - when He "will be here to stay" for 1000 years - and not before.
He is not going to show up - then leave - then come back again - there is no 'third' coming of Christ - when He comes He is here to stay and set up His kingdom on earth. All of the things you read about in scripture concerning His coming back will occur in their proper order when He comes. And, He is only "coming back" once - and He is here to stay.
Believe it! Because, it is what the Bible really actually says...