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Karlon

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By the way, what caused this thread? What prompted you to post this?
just other men's life experiences which guys talk about. nothing in my relationship.
 

Karlon

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Let me offer a counter point to your expectations, Karlon.

You expect no deflection and no excuses.

What if all women said, "Gentleman, if you want to get -- and keep a wife -- you'd better make sure you never have ANY problems with erectile dysfunction, EVER. After all, God made women to be attracted to manly men with a set of fully working mechanics. Sure, they have drugs for this problem now, but they're expensive, require extra considerations, and women want a man who's all natural. Your wife won't be attracted to you anymore if you lose it, so make sure you're always able to run a full show, completely up to par, for the rest of your life! NO deflections (it doesn't matter if you're tired or stressed,) and NO excuses (medical reasons? Bah! They're just a myth!")

For every person, man or woman, who demands and expects perfection in some area -- may he or she be required to meet those expectations in a way that's just as challenging for them.

One thing I can thank you for, I'm going to use this as a counterpoint every time women are told they need to stay skinny forever.

I'm certainly not saying or implying any of this applies to you. I hope it doesn't and never does. But, I do hope God challenges you to meet a standard in some area you struggle with to the same level of expectation.
i never said i expect this or that. this thread i started because of what guys have said in the past. direct answers do not allow for deflecting, excuses or tangents. too many offshoots when discussing topics with people, (not here, i don't mean that ). not struggling & thank you for not implying anything to me.
 

seoulsearch

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1. i didn't say "just for the ladies". read it again. 2. i never said, "HAVE to stay skinny....". 3. "pregnancy, menopause. if those things hold a woman back from being in shape, wouldn't you say those are the perfect reasons to be in shape? 4. i haven't any kids. my wife had 2 kids with her 1st husband. my wife looks quit wonderful. she operates a thoroughbred horse farm. she times her daily step which are often 12,000 to 13,000 steps a day. i, in case you want to know am about 5' 11", have a muscular build & am in very good shape. i still practice karate & boxing & lift weights. i am 66 & when we go out, girls look at me often. 5. neither 1 of us have had weight issues. yes, am a landscaper but now par time. i sold a portion of it recently. supplemental: did you know that people who are in good physical condition are happier people? 6. i am sorry to hear of you health issues. i hope all is resolved soon. i will pray for you. 7. "easy choice": laziness in america is an epidemic. it also translates into mental & spiritual laziness. because there is so much freedom it serves as an excuse for indolence. & look at some of the laws of america. the country literally gives money away to people who know how to cheat the system! 8. i do not know the term: "designed men". tell me what it means. 9. "one-sided". to each, his or her own! no, not 1 sided. i've seen plenty of times women supporting men at an all time extreme measure. look at an old post of mine how i praise women. it's a "mother's day posting. 10. you have, at least a slight "siding" with women here. 11. by course, yes, i have seen large men. "model perfect wives": lots of women don't care about a man's looks so that's why everyone sees that often. 12. "attractive" yes, easily the truth. 13. you are now taking this to far by traveling off the point cinder. I AM NOT PROMOTING ANYTHING AT ALL HERE!!!! just think of the question without going off on tangents. 14. "hair": none of us have control of our hair. yes, for decades, men & women can get transplants. but again, women don't care about looks as much as men & they never will. 15. i am not asking women to be anything. fyi, i have most of my hair. 16. "which men assume". some may assume that, not all. lastly, i believe you directed some of your posting to me & that's quite alright if you did. no harm done now or never. i myself, am a strong person in getting things done now, not later. btw, i am a self made man. i never attended college or trade school. in fact, i barely graduated high school. i was 78th out of 84 kids! i taught myself everything i know how to do by reading books, pamphlets, flyers or whatever & then the experience on the job. i have 4 incomes & i'm a millionaire. between my wife's hard dedication to her farm & what i do, we live very high as people would say. i didn't tell you this to brag, i mentioned it to encourage people.

This might just be me, but your posts often come across as stating that you and your wife meet certain standards that you expect everyone else can also reach, if only they quit being lazy and work harder.

In some cases, of course, working harder can make a difference.

But I never get a sense from your posts that you have an understanding of other people in different circumstances -- or that they might be where God wants them.

I grew up around people who were self-made, like you, so I'm familiar with some of the things you talk about it. I once lived in a neighborhood where our neighbors were CEO's, business owners, a veterinarian, etc.

It might just be me, but I take many of your posts as saying, "You should be more like my wife and myself," and I never really find that very encouraging.

At all.

I've been around people who are the way you describe yourself all my life, and that's not who I'm meant to be.

It always feels like you're trying to coach people into being what you are or what you think they should be -- what if they're meant to be something else?

But again, maybe it's just me, and there are probably other people here who find the things in your posts that I don't see.
 

seoulsearch

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i never said i expect this or that. this thread i started because of what guys have said in the past. direct answers do not allow for deflecting, excuses or tangents. too many offshoots when discussing topics with people, (not here, i don't mean that ). not struggling & thank you for not implying anything to me.
What you call excuses or tangents might be someone explaining their own life experiences, but I do understand.
 

Karlon

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This might just be me, but your posts often come across as stating that you and your wife meet certain standards that you expect everyone else can also reach, if only they quit being lazy and work harder.

In some cases, of course, working harder can make a difference.

But I never get a sense from your posts that you have an understanding of other people in different circumstances -- or that they might be where God wants them.

I grew up around people who were self-made, like you, so I'm familiar with some of the things you talk about it. I once lived in a neighborhood where our neighbors were CEO's, business owners, a veterinarian, etc.

It might just be me, but I take many of your posts as saying, "You should be more like my wife and myself," and I never really find that very encouraging.

At all.

I've been around people who are the way you describe yourself all my life, and that's not who I'm meant to be.

It always feels like you're trying to coach people into being what you are or what you think they should be -- what if they're meant to be something else?

But again, maybe it's just me, and there are probably other people here who find the things in your posts that I don't see.
i'm saying that people can do better in life whether it's a better job, looking better, being happier, etc. check the statistics in america. americans have a high rate of laziness, indolence, & a lack of ambition. most people don't know what it is to really put their effort into anything. look at the athletes, they have reached the maximum level of perseverance, dedication, ability & success. yes, i give credit to my dad who always immensely taught us to always try our best. & i've heard from some people over my lifetime that i'm to strict. well, ask any successful person if their max effort was worth it & they'll say yes. i certainly do understand people's circumstances. i assisted the elderly & handicapped voluntarily for 37 years. understand that i'm only trying to encourage people they can do better. ask grandparents & even people older than that & they will tell you people were much more mentally & spiritually tougher long ago.
 

Lynx

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About your point #13 replying to cinder...

This topic, probably, most would consider, is for the ladies. So, guys all over the world question why women gain weight after they become a girlfriend or wife. We know partly, the reason why. Women become attached & feel like they are secure so contentment abounds. Most men out there have dealt with this issue especially in America. here's the meaty part of it, no pun intended; girls wonder why guys are not attracted to them anymore because they gained weight. Well, all you women know that guys are attracted by looks which God has designed. So, if a women was large when the guy noticed her, he wouldn't have asked her on a date! No mockery or disparagement intended here. Please girls, Christian honest answers only. by course, guys go ahead & answer too.
Uh... It sure does LOOK like you're promoting something.
 

Seeker47

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? wow! isn't that the truth. you are so right DeanM.
I, on the other hand, have observed that when a husband or a wife loose a lot of weight bad thing follow in the relationship.
 

Karlon

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About your point #13 replying to cinder...


Uh... It sure does LOOK like you're promoting something.
yes, i'm promoting encouragement, stability, happiness, future hope & joy forever fulfilled in doing your best.
 

seoulsearch

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i'm saying that people can do better in life whether it's a better job, looking better, being happier, etc. check the statistics in america. americans have a high rate of laziness, indolence, & a lack of ambition. most people don't know what it is to really put their effort into anything. look at the athletes, they have reached the maximum level of perseverance, dedication, ability & success. yes, i give credit to my dad who always immensely taught us to always try our best. & i've heard from some people over my lifetime that i'm to strict. well, ask any successful person if their max effort was worth it & they'll say yes. i certainly do understand people's circumstances. i assisted the elderly & handicapped voluntarily for 37 years. understand that i'm only trying to encourage people they can do better. ask grandparents & even people older than that & they will tell you people were much more mentally & spiritually tougher long ago.
God bless you for all your work in service to others, especially the elderly and differently-abled, as they are often overlooked.

I know you've stated many times in your posts that you are quite wealthy.

My grandparents and some other family members were also self-made and did well for themselves, mostly through saving everything they made.

But you would have never guessed it by looking at them, and they would have never told.

I'm just naturally more drawn to that kind of approach rather than public statements of, "I'm a millionaire who dines at the very best seats in Saratoga!", but we each have our own style.

As I said, I'm sure there are others here who can relate to your approach of announcing your status a lot more than I can.
 

seoulsearch

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I, on the other hand, have observed that when a husband or a wife loose a lot of weight bad thing follow in the relationship.
This is a great point.

I've known of a few cases in which a married person lost a bunch of weight, got a lot of attention they weren't getting before, and left their spouse in order to pursue their new flock of admirers.
 

cinder

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How does one get over someone lying to you like that, just because they are desperate to keep someone and/or get married? After all, the damage is already done because the wedding vows have been made.
My understanding is that until the marriage is consummated it can be annuled. So it's not to late just because you said vows.

And I've been reading that these days, ED is effecting men as young as in their 30's.
Side effect of excessive "corn" use I hear. The internet allows young men to be exposed to a much greater assortment of images than in former generations
 

Karlon

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I'm just glad we have a crowd here with a good sense of humor!! :D
thanks for that joke seoulserch. you reminded me of a huge fault in america. people snack then nap. they have it backwards. you are supposed to nap then snack!!!!!!
 

Karlon

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God bless you for all your work in service to others, especially the elderly and differently-abled, as they are often overlooked.

I know you've stated many times in your posts that you are quite wealthy.

My grandparents and some other family members were also self-made and did well for themselves, mostly through saving everything they made.

But you would have never guessed it by looking at them, and they would have never told.

I'm just naturally more drawn to that kind of approach rather than public statements of, "I'm a millionaire who dines at the very best seats in Saratoga!", but we each have our own style.

As I said, I'm sure there are others here who can relate to your approach of announcing your status a lot more than I can.
i hope you didn't miss it. i have stated before, that my aim is to encourage people that they can do better. how many times have people seen on tv, read somewhere or attended a seminar where the subject is being the best you can be? that's what my aim is. that's all.
 

seoulsearch

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My understanding is that until the marriage is consummated it can be annuled. So it's not to late just because you said vows.


Side effect of excessive "corn" use I hear. The internet allows young men to be exposed to a much greater assortment of images than in former generations
Thank you for mentioning this -- in today's world, unfortunately, that might be a very important piece of information for people to tuck away.
 

Subhumanoidal

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I had a friend once. She was slim for as long as I knew her. We went a while without talking at one point. But when we reconnect and met in person again she had gained a lot of weight.
She told me she finally had a boyfriend, so she just let herself go. That was it. Once she had someone she stopped trying to stay thin.
So you always have to be aware of women with this agenda.

And yes, I know there's things that men may do with similar intentions, but this topic is about women specifically.
 

Karlon

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I had a friend once. She was slim for as long as I knew her. We went a while without talking at one point. But when we reconnect and met in person again she had gained a lot of weight.
She told me she finally had a boyfriend, so she just let herself go. That was it. Once she had someone she stopped trying to stay thin.
So you always have to be aware of women with this agenda.

And yes, I know there's things that men may do with similar intentions, but this topic is about women specifically.
that's what i mean. proper.