Is there any other group or are there any other individuals besides the elect who believe in Jesus that are proven to ultimately be saved?
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I believe this is a reference to Jesus:
[Rev 13:8 KJV] 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
2 Timothy 1 verse 9~ He has saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works, but by His own purpose and by the grace He granted us in Christ Jesus before time began. Ephesians 1 verses 4-5~ He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will. Ephesians 1 verse 11~ In Him we were also chosen as God’s own, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything by the counsel of His will.
This is not an argument but a fact: only the elect are ultimately saved.
Really? You might want to re-read Scripture. Ancient Israel were "elect" and most of them were certainly not saved.
I'm not interested in debating this; I'm only pointing out that this topic has been done to death many times. Ultimately, people either believe Scripture or they believe what they think Scripture says... based on presuppositions. You sound like one of the latter.
No, proof, but Paul wrote Ephesians 1:4-11, which I interpret in light of the NT context as indicating that God devised His plan to save the elect/whomever would exercise His seeking grace to seek/cooperate with Him (Matt.7:7, Tit.2:11, 1Tim.2:3-4, Matt.23:37),
We all believe what we think Scripture saves, but a truthseeker tries to eliminate errors
in understanding by harmonizing as much as possible, which has been called a dialectical hermeneutic.
John 15 verse 16 ~ You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit— fruit that will remain— so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you.
Ignoring the ignorance of semantics, I just hope all objective truthseekers on this thread realize how ridiculous it is
for the person who probably advocates most on CC for believing that God loves everyone to be accused of the opposite!
I even love Cameron!
Understanding the preeminence of love in dealing with others is not the same as actually loving someone.
If you were actually preferring me to you, you would have simply answered my questions. Rather, you took opportunity to boast of a love you never actually manifested towards me.
I posted a poem called Love Becomes Love awhile back. I'd like your opinion of it if you have opportunity.
It is illogical to demand that your questions be answered
so you can have another opportunity to demean the answerer as a liar.
I manifest love toward you every post, which you are too dense to sense, apparently;
nor do you practice what you preach, with the current example being not professing your love towards me.
I like poetry however, so I guess I will try to find it and get back to you regarding that.
I have never called you a liar. If you believe otherwise, please reference the post. I haven't even called you disingenuous, though I believe your understanding is incorrect.
So far, I have asked you questions, and characterized your responses. For my edification, can you suggest some ways I could have posted to demonstrably love you?